Common Usage?

[Papa Zoom]

Razeontherock,
re: "And I agree with you, that two previous occurrences is enough to establish a recognizable trend, making it understandable how Jesus being in the tomb for less than 40 hours can count as 3 days. That's something that's always bogged my mind too..."

That part doesn't boggle my mind, i.e., that less than 40 hours could have been counted as 3 calendar days. The issue in question is how can less that 40 hours count for 3 night times?

It's helpful when you reply to a comment by hitting the "post reply" on the message to which you are replying. You can also highlight text from a post and choose the +quote and then on the lower left of the text field choose "insert quotes." That way you'll get something like this:

but you’ll have to answer a couple of questions.

two examples in scripture.

article the link takes

the tomb for less than 40 hours can count as

Now, each one of those posters will get an "alert" that their post has been responded to and they can easily find the response, read it, and respond to that.

The way you're doing it doesn't send the alert. I hope this make sense to you. But if you do it the way the system is designed for, it's easier for the flow of discussions.

 

[chessman]

And you can even highlight a quote, then select +quote and then highlight another quote, select +quote again (even from another post), etc. and it queues them all up for insertion later using “insert quotes” (plural). Very handy.

The issue in question is how can less that 40 hours count for 3 night times?

And that’s easy, as previously posted:
If you were to have posted a reply 2 hours before sunrise last night (Friday ‘night’) it is common use of language to refer to that post as occuring last night even though technically it’s very early before dawn (let’s say 4am 28 Apr). So let’s start a clock there (4 am 28 Apr) as night #1. Then at 4am 29 Apr ‘tonight’) that’s 24 hours (exactly) and thus night #2. 16 hours later is 8 pm on 30 Apr (i.e.early Sunday Night) just after dark which is night #3.

It's helpful when you reply to a comment by hitting the "post reply" on the message to which you are replying.

Yep, especially since the little up arrow by the member’s name in the quote take you back to the post # from which it was quoted. That way, you can check context.

It’s also helpful to understand that people refer to night as anytime of day that it’s not daylight. Always have. That’s what the word means.

 

[rstrats]

chessman,
re: "And that’s easy, as previously posted: If you were to have posted a reply 2 hours before sunrise last night (Friday ‘night’)..."


My comment was based with regard to the specific length of time (probably less than 40 hours) between a 6th day of the week burial and a 1st day of the week resurrection.

 

[rstrats]

Since it's again been awhile, perhaps someone new looking in may know of examples.

 

[rstrats]

StoveBolts,

You have a question directed to you in post #73.

 

[rstrats]

Maybe someone new visiting this topic who believes the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week, and who thinks the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb, and who tries to explain the lack of a 3rd night by saying that the Messiah was employing common figure of speech/colloquial language of the time, will have examples to support that position, i.e., that it was common to forecast or say that a daytime or a night would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could occur.

 

[rstrats]

I need to add to post #126 - "and who thinks that a calendar day began at sunset".

 

[rstrats]

In thinking about it, I realize that it doesn't make any difference with regard to sunset versus sunrise; there would still be a lack of a third night with a 6th day of the week crucifixion.

 

[stovebolts]

StoveBolts,
re: "I understand."
It appears that you don't. Please see my reply to th1b.taylor in post #72.

BTW, you asked "Will you only accept a night where it is part of a 24 hour day?"

I don't understand. When is there ever a night when it isn't a part of a 24 hour day?

You will have to ask the Jews, since it is their calendar. You will get no adequate answer asking gentiles who use the modern calendar.

 

[rstrats]

StoveBolts,
re: "You will have to ask the Jews, since it is their calendar. You will get no adequate answer asking gentiles who use the modern calendar."


I still don't understand. What has a calendar have to do with showing daytimes and night times in a 24 hour period? How can there be a 24 hour period without a night in it? What am I missing?

 

[JohnDB]

StoveBolts,
re: "You will have to ask the Jews, since it is their calendar. You will get no adequate answer asking gentiles who use the modern calendar."


I still don't understand. What has a calendar have to do with showing daytimes and night times in a 24 hour period? How can there be a 24 hour period without a night in it? What am I missing?

The eating of the lamb during Passover.

The Levitical calendar is not and does not resemble the civil calendars.
Israeli festivals and holidays occur during the Levitical calendar but still exist during CIVIL calendars.

And the night of the Passover meal does double duty as two nights (the calendar then reverses and then goes back to night followed by day)

 

[rstrats]

JohnDB,
re: "...the night of the Passover meal does double duty as two nights..."

I'm sorry, but just don't see how it was common to say that a night time could count as 2 night times.

 

[JohnDB]

JohnDB,
re: "...the night of the Passover meal does double duty as two nights..."

I'm sorry, but just don't see how it was common to say that a night time could count as 2 night times.

Right...you won't until you understand the intricacies of the Levitical calendar.

It's not a civil calendar with a very different focus.

 

[JohnDB]

It was very clear to the religious devout Jews Jesus was speaking to. It specifically claimed to them "The Sign of Jonah".

And during Passover the calendar had a shift because the Passover lamb was slaughtered on Friday but was eaten on Saturday...but it was important to eat all it on the same day it was slaughtered on...(in haste) and to have no leftovers the next day.
So how could they eat it on the same day as when it was slaughtered and cooked if this happens on Friday unless on Friday night (which is our Friday night) you still have a Friday night as well as a Sabbath night followed by Sabbath day which is followed by Sunday night and then you have Sunday morning.

Again this is a Levitical calendar and not the same focus as a civil calendar which is interested in chronology more than Theology.
It's a thingy similar to a civilian February 29th every four years...why not have a couple of months with 30 days instead of making one month usually 2 days short of a full month?

Something similar here is going on with Law keeping with the Levitical calendar.

 

[Nathan12]

You will have to ask the Jews, since it is their calendar. You will get no adequate answer asking gentiles who use the modern calendar.

Gentiles can still read what is in Scripture, and we need to go by what has been stated therein. There are four facts that need to be recognized:
1. According to the Law of Moses, the Feast of Passover was to be observed in the evening of the 14th day of Nisan (which would be after the start of the 14th day at sunset). So any time after sunset is when the Passover meal was taken. But Christ was the ultimate Passover Lamb, therefore He was crucified on the same day and died on that day also.
2. The Feast of Unleavened Bread would being the next day -- Nisan 15th -- but that would be a High Sabbath.
3. Christ would be entombed for three days and three nights, just as Jonah was entombed in the whale's belly for that same period.
4. Christ would fulfil the Feast of Firstfruits by being resurrected on the first day of the week (which would be any time after sunset on Saturday (the end of the Sabbath and the beginning of the morrow after the Sabbath). It is more than probable that He arose after midnight but before dawn.

In view of all this it is clear that Christ was NOT crucified on Friday of that week. Rather He was crucified on Wednesday, and remained for a full three days and three nights in the tomb.
Sunset Wednesday day to sunset Thursday 24 hours
Sunset Thursday to sunset Friday 24 hours
Sunset Friday to sunset Saturday 24 hours

 

[stovebolts]

Gentiles can still read what is in Scripture, and we need to go by what has been stated therein. There are four facts that need to be recognized:
1. According to the Law of Moses, the Feast of Passover was to be observed in the evening of the 14th day of Nisan (which would be after the start of the 14th day at sunset). So any time after sunset is when the Passover meal was taken. But Christ was the ultimate Passover Lamb, therefore He was crucified on the same day and died on that day also.
2. The Feast of Unleavened Bread would being the next day -- Nisan 15th -- but that would be a High Sabbath.
3. Christ would be entombed for three days and three nights, just as Jonah was entombed in the whale's belly for that same period.
4. Christ would fulfil the Feast of Firstfruits by being resurrected on the first day of the week (which would be any time after sunset on Saturday (the end of the Sabbath and the beginning of the morrow after the Sabbath). It is more than probable that He arose after midnight but before dawn.

In view of all this it is clear that Christ was NOT crucified on Friday of that week. Rather He was crucified on Wednesday, and remained for a full three days and three nights in the tomb.
Sunset Wednesday day to sunset Thursday 24 hours
Sunset Thursday to sunset Friday 24 hours
Sunset Friday to sunset Saturday 24 hours

Yeah yeah...you can get three days and three nights with a Friday crucifixion and a Sunday Ressurection if you understand scripture. Unfortunately, the portion of scripture that supports this view isn't accepted by folk who don't want to understand.

 

[rstrats]

JohnDB,

Do you have examples which show that it was common to forecast or say that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could have occurred?

 

[JohnDB]

JohnDB,

Do you have examples which show that it was common to forecast or say that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could have occurred?

Genesis...
....there was evening and there was morning the _______ day.

Everyone learned that you did as Moses said or else you died...and Moses wrote Genesis and the other first four books of the Bible.

Since Moses said that the day starts at evening... you did not go against that.
Arguing or giving Moses a hard time also got you killed. Korah found this out the hard way, so did Aaron's sons. They all died spectacularly.

Now you want to argue with Moses...
I'm going to watch you do this from a big distance.

 

[rstrats]

JohnDB,
re: "Now you want to argue with Moses..."

I don't see where Moses forecast or said that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could occur. What do you have in mind?

 

[JohnDB]

JohnDB,
re: "Now you want to argue with Moses..."

I don't see where Moses forecast or said that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could occur. What do you have in mind?

I'm sorry,
I have no idea what you are trying to say.