[_ Old Earth _] Continental split? Peleg's english name?

[jwu]

And is there any reason to assume that in the past things were different in a way of which there is no indication whatsoever today?

 

[dad]

And is there any reason to assume that in the past things were different in a way of which there is no indication whatsoever today?

Without evidence, all we have is belief and assumption. Like the assumption the present is the same as the past. There is no reason to assume it was, really, it just has been assumed, cause of the way the world and universe now is. The assumptions mean nothing, and are not science, but based on the observations in the present of present science.

Bible believers have every reason to assume and believe a new heavens is coming, and this one will pass away. We also have reasons to believe the past was different. Science is mum on the subject.

 

[jwu]

There is no reason to assume it was, really, it just has been assumed, cause of the way the world and universe now is.

It's just as reasonable as assuming that the world wasn't created five minutes ago, with all of us having false memories of a past that never was.

 

[moniker]

There is no reason to assume it was, really, it just has been assumed, cause of the way the world and universe now is.

It's just as reasonable as assuming that the world wasn't created five minutes ago, with all of us having false memories of a past that never was.

I really hate Last Thursdayism. I'm screwed for time coming up, thanks in no small part to being lethargic, and if it's not my fault I'll be pissed at the powers that be. :P

 

[dad]

There is no reason to assume it was, really, it just has been assumed, cause of the way the world and universe now is.

It's just as reasonable as assuming that the world wasn't created five minutes ago, with all of us having false memories of a past that never was.

In no way whatsoever is there any comparison. I can prove with Einstein's theories, or history, or records, or archives, or a million things we were here last week.

No one can prove that the future will not see a new heavens, with these ones passing away. No one can prove that (that I have yet seen) the far past was physical only, and not both spiritual and physical, no way. Science just can't do it. It can deal with last week very well.

This is absolute.

 

[dad]

There is no reason to assume it was, really, it just has been assumed, cause of the way the world and universe now is.

It's just as reasonable as assuming that the world wasn't created five minutes ago, with all of us having false memories of a past that never was.

I really hate Last Thursdayism. I'm screwed for time coming up, thanks in no small part to being lethargic, and if it's not my fault I'll be pissed at the powers that be. :P

I am not too crazy about people offering as supposed intelligent proposition I was born yesterday either.

 

[jwu]

I can prove with Einstein's theories, or history, or records, or archives, or a million things we were here last week.

Then please do so, without merely assuming that all these things are genuine and weren't simply created along with the world just yesterday.

 

[dad]

I can prove with Einstein's theories, or history, or records, or archives, or a million things we were here last week.

Then please do so, without merely assuming that all these things are genuine and weren't simply created along with the world just yesterday.

What I can prove, as I said is we were not made last week. No one can prove that the past was physical only with science, as you know. That is a fact. It is also a fact that the universe was not made only with the physical, as the big bang claims, according to the bible! Neither will it be in the future again. Without getting too fancy, here is a clincher verse.

Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear

And, class, now what is it that now appears? What is it that science concerns itself with? All together now, the natural, physical universe. Now did it say JUST the world? NO! All the worlds, the universe. Made of what? NOT that which we see or the physical only temporary universe we KNOW will pass away! It was made with something else. We are, in common english, not in the created state at the moment. The rest is elementary. -Knowing that the spiritual was close at hand then, eveything almost was different then. Even Adam would have done something not (only) physically possible -live forever.

Science missed the boat big time here.

 

[moniker]

There is no reason to assume it was, really, it just has been assumed, cause of the way the world and universe now is.

It's just as reasonable as assuming that the world wasn't created five minutes ago, with all of us having false memories of a past that never was.

I really hate Last Thursdayism. I'm screwed for time coming up, thanks in no small part to being lethargic, and if it's not my fault I'll be pissed at the powers that be. :P

I am not too crazy about people offering as supposed intelligent proposition I was born yesterday either.

It follows logically in every sense of the word. You can never prove that the world was not simply created 5 minutes ago by God with all of us having false memories, the lights from stars already arrived, yatta yatta.

 

[dad]

It follows logically in every sense of the word. You can never prove that the world was not simply created 5 minutes ago by God with all of us having false memories, the lights from stars already arrived, yatta yatta.

Well, we are talking solid evidence, and beyond any reasonable doubt. Far more than many scientific theories. We have birth certificates, documentetion, films, history, etc.

You are talking about questioning sanity, and reality that is observed, and touched, and witnessed, not some dream future or past, when we deal with last week.

It bears NO RELATION to some claim the universe will never pass away, and our fgalaxy will crash, etc. None.