Why do you think that?.
The OT Jews had the Law for their salvation.
Becoming a Christian after death is ludicrous...and too late.
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Could God's plan for the lost be this simple?
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The OT Jews had the Law for their salvation.
Becoming a Christian after death is ludicrous...and too late.
Can you tell us how this was done?
Seriously. Not a trap.
One of my favorite areas.
eddif
Really? I thought there is no righteousness under the law.
I hope Alfred Persson can tell how.
IMHO there is a way for OT people to be saved through the Gospel about Jesus Christ and what he accomplished.
I want to be a friend and not an enemy. It is not a very complex thought process.
eddif
While we wait. Could you read about the cities of refuge in the OT and maybe explain what is going on?
Wikipedia (secular source) but if
nothing else shows cities beyond Jordan. Beyond Jordan?
eddif
There certainly was a form of righteousness under the Law.
Many were called righteous in the OT.
But their righteousness was far different than the NT righteousness we have been enabled to partake of by repentance from sin and baptism into Christ.
I remember specifically that the parents of John the baptist were called righteous, and Simeon and Anna in the temple when Jesus was brought in as a baby. (Though I don't think righteousness was explicitly mentioned for them.)
As they never heard of Jesus Christ, the chances are slim to none.
They had the Law's means of atonement for their sins, but were limited to walking in the flesh instead of in the Spirit, so their judgement will be Law based while ours will be based on something better.
OK, thanks.
Galatians 2:16 kjv
16. Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Romans 3:20 kjv
20. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
I think these are the verses I was thinking of.
Also the law was a schoolmaster till Christ came.
IMHO the works of the law brought physical benefits as long as you kept the Law.
2 Chronicles 7:14 and following.
eddif
16. Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Romans 3:20 kjv
20. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
I think these are the verses I was thinking of.
Also the law was a schoolmaster till Christ came.
IMHO the works of the law brought physical benefits as long as you kept the Law.
2 Chronicles 7:14 and following.
eddif
Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin. (Rom. 3:20 NKJ)
No one was saved by the law, all are saved by Jesus Christ:
19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference;
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed,
26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith.
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.
29 Or is He the God of the Jews only? Is He not also the God of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also,
30 since there is one God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith.
31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.
NKJ Romans 4:1 What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh?
2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God.
3 For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness."
4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.
5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,
6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:
7 "Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, And whose sins are covered;
8 Blessed is the man to whom the LORD shall not impute sin."
(Rom. 3:19-4:8 NKJ)
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The Tetragrammaton YHWH appears in the Hebrew, not the Greek NT. That includes the Septuagint, which the NT often quotes. You cannot translate the Greek Kurios as Yahweh, that is interpretation not translation.
As for why that version of the KJ came "out in 2015", its certain making money had everything to do with it.
And they used "Jehovah" as God's name, the invention of a Catholic priest if I recall correctly. Yahweh is the pronunciation of God's name, but even that is not certain.
None of this excuses you for following the traditions of men rather than the Word of God.
Its time you repent and confess the "Word was God" big "G"--- for all things were created by Him and not one thing was created apart from Him, therefore its a tradition of the Jehovah's Witnesses the Word was created. He clearly cannot be:
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. (Jn. 1:1-3 NKJ)
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Adios Moses, David, Isaiah, and a bunch of other prophets.
Do you think nobody from the OT will be in heaven?
It is written..."For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;" (Rom 2:12)
The OT folks will be judged by the Law.
Please be slow to react.
There was a one time chance for those in Abraham’s bosom to accept salvation. Post 18 just really supplies scripture for Abraham’s bosom.
IMHO those who had chosen God in life were the only ones that were in Abraham’s bosom (where Jesus went to preach the Gospel). Abraham was the father of faith.
One chance at one point in time. No religious body involved, just good guys and Jesus.
After the preaching of Jesus in the grave, people had to accept Jesus while they were alive. No continual chances.
You can fuss at me, but consider that let’s the Old Testament saints be saved by believing in Jesus. One name under heaven to be saved by. Jesus.
The law of Moses did not save, it allowed blessing on earth.
Talk to me.
eddif
"In Abraham's bosom?"
Where in the OT is that ever written about?
Jesus used the term once in a parable, but you use it as if it really existed.
Men will be judged by their consciences.
Those before the Mosaic Law, and those after it was inaugurated.
So too will we of the NT who have cast away the flesh and walk in the Spirit.
Just a parable?
Some do think parables are of not consequence.
Seeing they do not see.
Hearing they do not hear
The disciples asked why Jesus spoke in parables.
Luke 16:1 kjv
1. And he said also unto his disciples, There was a certain rich man, which had a steward; and the same was accused unto him that he had wasted his goods.
Jesus used parables with the multitudes, but usually just spoke directly to the disciples. Good chance the rich man and Lazarus was a real story. It is complicated by some Pharisees hearing Jesus speaking to the disciples.
eddif
Yes, as opposed to a real place.
Oh they are of consequence alright.
Do you think that Abraham was the comforter and source of grace in a place divided between being good and hellish?
I find that idolatrous.
God would be the One who does that, if it were a real place.
The characters and places in the parable were a "picture" of the real, with the emphasis being on the moral of the story.
That being, "get right with God now, as there is no second chance".
Abraham was a type.
Parable:
Parable of sower
Real sower
Real seed
Real ground
Revelation of parable meaning
Jesus
Word of God
Men’s hearts (probably spiritual)
Colossians 3:16 kjv
16. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17. Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
The OT food and drink are real items.
Matthew 4:4 kjv
4. But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
The real thing / place is not the ultimate reality, but the Word of God is.
This example still allows physical food for now.
Parables hide the meaning.
eddif
Yes, proving the story of Abraham's bosom was just a parable.
And the seed was the word of God.
I can agree with that.
I thank Jesus for explaining some of them.
Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. (Matt. 15:6 NIV)
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference;
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed,
26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith.
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.
Since Jesus was at creation, He could explain wha the (We at creation) was intending to show hidden from the very beginning of creation.
If Abraham is a type
Parables are a method of concealing information from some, but hinting to others to ask what these hints mean.
So
The disciples ask.
(Why do you speak in parables?).
Isaiah 6 responds from history as prophecy.
So that hearing they hear not, and seeing they see not.
Parables conceal and do not reveal.
After Pentecost the apostles begin to explain some mysteries.
The two women are two covenants…
eddif
Adios Moses, Joshua, David, and all the predecessors of Jesus.
Or, we can see that in the OT many believed on a coming Messiah and did their best to live according to the Law with a heart set on honoring God.
The Law won't save them, but their faith will.
What two women?