could Jerusalem be the harlot?

[NJBeliever]

There are now many Islamic nations, muslum countrys, some also in Asia, we could say the most radical Islamic nations could include, also rev 16.12 the Euphrates being dried up to make way for the kings of the east.
Iran, Iraq, Turkey, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Pakastan, Afghananistan, Yemin, Egypt, Somalia,oman, lebanon,jordon.
then there is northern Africa, China backing Iran, Russia, from the north.
both china and Russia, arming and providing technical support.
then there is osama bin ladin, his group calling for Jihad, many muslums from all these nations, rising to this call , being unified, united .
who hate the Harlot. one aim to make her desolate and to burn her with fire,
The illuminati,rothchilds, and other secret societys, in the illuminati pyramid, free masons, bilderberg, skull and bones, The Thule Gesellschaft, The Vril, the priesthood of Amen, lucifers web, the priesthood, the power elite, the elite, the shadow goverment, the conspiraters, the global elite, the brotherhood, the hidden hand, the powers that be., that now control fianace, oil, the military, goverments, presidents.
The illuminati, there is a very large zion group, very wealthy Jews, who like the rest, profess lucifer as their god.
the wealth of the jews, compare the size of Isreal, to the mulitude, of Arab nations, both started from Abraham, millions of jews and their wealth an influence, are among the world US, UK, Europe ,
Paul was sent forth to kill christains,the death of prophets and Apostles would be avenged, what influence the illuminati had in other christain persecutions behind the scences, ie the inquisitions,the black pope leader of the jusuits, and controls the vatican. the illuminati are also linked with the vatican, which has its own masons lodge, as there are also other powerful lodges in italy.
So the jewish wealth and power, behind the scences over the centurys has wielded its power and influence, to this present day.
I have been reading the first several chapters of Jeremiah, speaking of the wealth, idolatary, harlotries,
the uncircumsized heart, forsaken the Lord, wickeness, evil oppression.you name it ive only got to chapter 7 of Jeremiah, every abomnation, is there. as was then, as also now.
the Lord saying he would bring destruction, but not a complete end, tells his people to come out of her. the mother of harlots.
Jerusalem is the centre of the earth,and how much power, the israelie goverment has, with so many jews in postions of power around the world, in goverments. and fianacial power.
in and out side the illuminati. who see them selves as high priests, kings, the ruling elite. of the pyramid. put all this into the equation. do you have your harlot ? Jerusalem, Tel Aviv. johnny

Where is your evidence that Jews have historically and do run the Illuminat?

And even if they did, why would that make Jerusalem, which has only been back in existence for 60 years, the center of it all? This is just an attempt to fit ideas into scripture. Jerusalem clearly does not meet the description of Mystery Babylon

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Daniel 2;40-41
And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron;forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdue all things;and as iron that breaketh all these,shall it break in pieces and bruise.
And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes,part of potters clay,and part of iron,the kingdom shall be devided;but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron,forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.

Daniel 7;23-24
Thus he said the fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth,which shall be diverse from all kingdoms,and shall devour the whole earth,and shall tread it down,and break it in pieces.
And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise;and another shall rise after them;and he shall be diverse from the first,and he shall subdue three kings.


I cant help it if you dont understand.


The empire was devided into smaller nations.These nations have names.
The only reason I know the names of three of those nations is because I saw the little horn subdue them.
I know what that little horn calls itself also.

So now in addition to private interpretation, you're claiming that you've received private revelation?

No,There are many people who understand it.Your just not one.

 

[johnny botwright]

I think Jerusalem could be the mother of harlots, firstly im not talking about the last 60 years.
men have fought over Jerusalem, for centurys.
She does sit like a Queen in the middle east. the jewel of the crown.

and i saw the women drunk on the blood of the saints,and with the blood of the witnesses of Jesus.

the waters which you saw where the harlot sits, are people and mulitudes and notions and tongues.
the Jews are living in most nations, USA UK, Europe, South Africa ect

and the ten horns and the beast, these will hate the harlot and will make her desolate, and will eat her flesh and burn her with fire.

the women who you saw, is the Great city.

Babylon, the strong city, in one hour your judgement has come.

Rejoice over her, O heaven, and you saints and Apostles and prophets, because God has pronouced judgement for you agaisnt her.

and in her was found the blood of the prophets and saints and all who have been slain on earth.

In the first 7 chapters of Jeremiah, speaks alot about Israels heart, Jerusalem, coming judgement and why.

Jerusalem will become the faithful city after she has been purged, and when Jesus returns.

i am not saying this is written in stone, im speculating, a debate, discussion ect, so lets not be unkind in our words to one another, people are entitled to their points of view, some teach the harlot is the USA, NEW YORK, SOME THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, ROME THE VATICAN.
God bless johnny

 

[NJBeliever]

I think Jerusalem could be the mother of harlots, firstly im not talking about the last 60 years.
men have fought over Jerusalem, for centurys.
She does sit like a Queen in the middle east. the jewel of the crown.

and i saw the women drunk on the blood of the saints,and with the blood of the witnesses of Jesus.

the waters which you saw where the harlot sits, are people and mulitudes and notions and tongues.
the Jews are living in most nations, USA UK, Europe, South Africa ect

and the ten horns and the beast, these will hate the harlot and will make her desolate, and will eat her flesh and burn her with fire.

the women who you saw, is the Great city.

Babylon, the strong city, in one hour your judgement has come.

Rejoice over her, O heaven, and you saints and Apostles and prophets, because God has pronouced judgement for you agaisnt her.

and in her was found the blood of the prophets and saints and all who have been slain on earth.

In the first 7 chapters of Jeremiah, speaks alot about Israels heart, Jerusalem, coming judgement and why.

Jerusalem will become the faithful city after she has been purged, and when Jesus returns.

i am not saying this is written in stone, im speculating, a debate, discussion ect, so lets not be unkind in our words to one another, people are entitled to their points of view, some teach the harlot is the USA, NEW YORK, SOME THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, ROME THE VATICAN.
God bless johnny

How is Jerusalem drunk with the blood of the saints?

How has Jerusalem led the world into spiritual adultery?

When has Jerusalem reigned over the kings o f the world?

I understand now that you are speculating but I respectfully disagree. Jerusalem does not meet the basic descriptions of the harlot.

Without speculating I will say the harlot is: Mystery Babylon.

 

[veteran]

If that doesn't make sense, then a bit of research on today's movement for a "one world government" over ALL nations on earth might wake you up. Just the existence of a world body like the United Nations should be enough to see how the final beast kingdom is going to be a truly 'one world' system, covering all nations on the earth, and not a smaller area of the earth than even what Babylon had. It makes sense then, that the "ten horns" structure is going to be about the earth divided into regions, not ten nations.

Now this I completely agree with. Kingdoms, are groups of nations, not individual nations. So yes, the end time world governmental season will be 10 regional governments leading to one government under the rulership of the antichrist. This is what Rev 17 is stating.

As for Jerusalem being the harlot, I again ask: How is Jerusalem drunk with the blood of the saints?? How has Jerusalem drawn the nations of the world into spiritual adultery? It doesn't come close to meeting the description given explicitly by the Bible.

Actually, Jerusalem does fit very well, if Scripture is allowed to interpret Scripture.

At the end of Rev.17 we're told the "woman", i.e., the "harlot", is a CITY (not a kingdom). God through His OT prophets used the harlot symbol for Jerusalem and His people many times, WHEN they fell away from Him. So already the Biblical blueprint was established relating to fallen Jerusalem long ago, even in Ezekiel 16 when it was first a city of the pagan Canaanite Jebusites.

Recall your post in Balflour section about the Supreme Court in Israel built and funded by the Rothchilds? Compare that working to how God's people fell away in Ezekiel 8, and then note how Ezekiel 9 relates to endtime Revelation. You yourself admitted that Jerusalem was being prepared for the antichrist's coming.

Isaiah 54 is also about Jerusalem, and the concept of widowhood and harlot marriage. In Lamentations 1, God declares Jerusalem as a widow. In Revelation 18:7, the harlot city declares herself as "a queen, and am no widow". Our Lord in Matt.23 declared Jerusalem as the city that killed the prophets, and to the scribes and Pharisees as the children of those who were partakers in the blood of the prophets.

But is God going to protect a remnant there in Jerusalem, and the land itself? Yes, for He promised it. Even when Christ returns there, He's going to reestablish Jerusalem in much greater glory. Jerusalem is where Satan has declared he will sit between the seas, the place where God has chosen to dwell forever (Dan.11; Ezek.28:2). God is going to let him do that prior to Christ's coming.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

and in her was found the blood of the prophets and saints and all who have been slain on earth.
God bless johnny

You know Jesus cant be wrong.If Jesus says that Jerusalem is resonsible for all the rightous blood shed upon the earth,then Jerusalem is responsible for all the rightous blood shed upon the earth including the blood of the prophets and saints mentioned above.

Mt 23;35
That upon you may come all the rightous blood shed upon earth,from the blood of rightous Abel unto the blood of Zechariah son of Barachias,whom ye slew between the temple and the alter.

I think most people just dont want to believe Jesus.I dont know why they dont believe him though.Makes no sense.

 

[johnny botwright]

when the two wittnesses are killed, by the beast from the pit.



And thier dead bodies will lie in the street of THE GREAT CITY.?

MYSTICALY IS CALLED SODOM AND EGYPT, WHERE ALSO THEIR LORD WAS CRUCIFIED. rev 11 vrs .8

johnny

 

[NJBeliever]

If that doesn't make sense, then a bit of research on today's movement for a "one world government" over ALL nations on earth might wake you up. Just the existence of a world body like the United Nations should be enough to see how the final beast kingdom is going to be a truly 'one world' system, covering all nations on the earth, and not a smaller area of the earth than even what Babylon had. It makes sense then, that the "ten horns" structure is going to be about the earth divided into regions, not ten nations.

Now this I completely agree with. Kingdoms, are groups of nations, not individual nations. So yes, the end time world governmental season will be 10 regional governments leading to one government under the rulership of the antichrist. This is what Rev 17 is stating.

As for Jerusalem being the harlot, I again ask: How is Jerusalem drunk with the blood of the saints?? How has Jerusalem drawn the nations of the world into spiritual adultery? It doesn't come close to meeting the description given explicitly by the Bible.

Actually, Jerusalem does fit very well, if Scripture is allowed to interpret Scripture.

At the end of Rev.17 we're told the "woman", i.e., the "harlot", is a CITY (not a kingdom). God through His OT prophets used the harlot symbol for Jerusalem and His people many times, WHEN they fell away from Him. So already the Biblical blueprint was established relating to fallen Jerusalem long ago, even in Ezekiel 16 when it was first a city of the pagan Canaanite Jebusites.

Recall your post in Balflour section about the Supreme Court in Israel built and funded by the Rothchilds? Compare that working to how God's people fell away in Ezekiel 8, and then note how Ezekiel 9 relates to endtime Revelation. You yourself admitted that Jerusalem was being prepared for the antichrist's coming.

Isaiah 54 is also about Jerusalem, and the concept of widowhood and harlot marriage. In Lamentations 1, God declares Jerusalem as a widow. In Revelation 18:7, the harlot city declares herself as "a queen, and am no widow". Our Lord in Matt.23 declared Jerusalem as the city that killed the prophets, and to the scribes and Pharisees as the children of those who were partakers in the blood of the prophets.

But is God going to protect a remnant there in Jerusalem, and the land itself? Yes, for He promised it. Even when Christ returns there, He's going to reestablish Jerusalem in much greater glory. Jerusalem is where Satan has declared he will sit between the seas, the place where God has chosen to dwell forever (Dan.11; Ezek.28:2). God is going to let him do that prior to Christ's coming.

All these points are true, but again, Jerusalem does not meet the Biblical description. How is Jerusalem drunk with the blood of the saints? How has Jerusalem reigned over the kings of the earth and brought the whole planet into spiritual adultery?

It's just not there. If you have evidence of this please show me.

 

[NJBeliever]

when the two wittnesses are killed, by the beast from the pit.



And thier dead bodies will lie in the street of THE GREAT CITY.?

MYSTICALY IS CALLED SODOM AND EGYPT, WHERE ALSO THEIR LORD WAS CRUCIFIED. rev 11 vrs .8

johnny

Sodom and Egypt, not Babylon.

Once again, you are just trying to force ideas into scripture.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

NJBeliever
Isaiah 1;21
How is the faithful city become a harlot! it was full of judgement;rightousness lodged in it;but now murderers.

How?

 

[Elijah674]

I don't think so. Rev. 17:1-5 has a 'mom' great whore + harlot daughter.

--Elijah

 

[johnny botwright]

shilohsfoal is this your name, or what does it mean? you are an inspiration, may the Lord bless you, greatly , that you do not draw back, but make Gods word known, do not be afraid of them, for i am with you, to deliver you, declares the Lord.
Jeremiah 1

Mysticaly is called Sodam and Egypt referring to Jerusalem, do you not find this strange.

but you say, but not Babylon what did Babylon represent, could it be made up of Sodam and Eygpt
or is there some thing common in all three places.
Sodom Egypt Babylon all faced Gods judgements Abraham Joseph Daniel

Jerusalem Jesus. Are not Jerusalems transgressions greater than Sodam
a harlot normaly receives payment
Jerusalem paid her lovers
johnny

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Are not Jerusalems transgressions greater than Sodam
johnny

Mt 10;15
Verily I say unto you,It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgement,than for that city.

 

[johnny botwright]

intrestingly also may have relevence? regarding the writting on the wall? in Babylon.

where Babylon was concerned MENE, MENE was written twice,
God has numbered the days of your kingdom and brought it to an end.

If Jerusalem is Babylon, the second MENE could be referring to the captre of Jerusalem, Israel, by the anti christ, who reins there, until Jesus returns in great power and Glory.

johnny

 

[Shilohsfoal]

intrestingly also may have relevence? regarding the writting on the wall? in Babylon.

where Babylon was concerned MENE, MENE was written twice,
God has numbered the days of your kingdom and brought it to an end.

If Jerusalem is Babylon, the second MENE could be referring to the captre of Jerusalem, Israel, by the anti christ, who reins there, until Jesus returns in great power and Glory.

johnny

The king of the north doesnt capture Jerusalem .
Just because someone might have an army in Israel doesnt mean they are there to take it away from Israel.That army sent from the north could be there for oth reasons.

I suspect the jews will serve the king of Babylon for 70 years then they shall be visited.
I also believe the Persians(Iran)will wipe Babylon the great off the map.


You know there are so many people say that Jerusalem is the city of God.Even on this board.Do these people not believe in the city built by God,the holy Jerusalem,the new Jerusalem?
Its as if they believe Jerusalem is and there is no other beside her.

 

[johnny botwright]

Does it not also say the beast and the ten heads hate the harlot, they leave her naked, desolate and burning, those who grew wealthy from the harlot, look on and mourn at her burning.
Jesus said when people in Israel saw the abomination, that causes desolation surronding Jerusalem, it was time to escape, flee to the hills, because this would start such a tribulation, Luke 21 .10-24
Mathew 24 the days of vengence all things written will to be forfilled.
In Jeremiah God says he will make an end, but not a complete end.
Jerusalem will be restored, after Jesus returns, but before this she will first be judged and purged.
Jersulem is surrounded by armies, they have not come to make peace.
people will fall by the sword, be takin captive, Jerusalem trappled under foot, a great distress on the land, and wrath to these people. A tribulation such has not been since the beginning of the world.
johnny

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Does it not also say the beast and the ten heads hate the harlot, they leave her naked, desolate and burning, those who grew wealthy from the harlot, look on and mourn at her burning.
Jesus said when people in Israel saw the abomination, that causes desolation surronding Jerusalem, it was time to escape, flee to the hills, because this would start such a tribulation, Luke 21 .10-24
Mathew 24 the days of vengence all things written will to be forfilled.
In Jeremiah God says he will make an end, but not a complete end.
Jerusalem will be restored, after Jesus returns, but before this she will first be judged and purged.
Jersulem is surrounded by armies, they have not come to make peace.
people will fall by the sword, be takin captive, Jerusalem trappled under foot, a great distress on the land, and wrath to these people. A tribulation such has not been since the beginning of the world.
johnny

No ,it says the ten horns hate the whore and will burn her.These are ten muslim nations that will destroy Jerusalem.These are the kings of the east whos way is prepared for Armegedon in
rev 16;12.
And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates,and the water thereof was dried up,that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

The king of the north in Daniel is not these muslim kings from the east though.
The king of the north shall be friends with the jews of Judaism.

Daniel 11;30

For the ships of chittum shall come against him;therefore he shall be grieved,and return,and have indignation against the holy covenant;so shall he do;he shall even return,and have intellidence with them that forsake the holy covenant.

I try to make this point whenever I can.The antichrist is antichrist.Hes not antisemetic.
He is a friend of the jews of Judaism but he is an enemy of the jewish christians.


Daniel 11;12
And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries;but the people that do know thier God shall be strong,and do exploits.

Those who do wickedly against the covenant are the jews who reject Christ.Those who say the Messiah hasnt come.These are antichrist themselves.


This king of the north shall send his army 3 1/2 years before the kings of the east send thiers.

 

[johnny botwright]

intresting the king of the north., when you see the armies surrounding Jerusalem, the abomination that causes desolation,
again Jesus mentions this in Mathew 24, when you see the abomination that causes desolation, standing in the holy of holys, spoken of by Daniel,
it was time for every one to flee to the mountains,

what do you see as the abomination that causes desolation, Islam and the anti christ.?

and how does this fit in with the king of the north, anti christ. time scale ect.

osama bin laden calling for holy jihad, and people from nearly every nation being united under this call.

the doom of babylon the great harlot,which could be Jerusalem. where does this fit.

i once heard a theory Russia would be in would come down from the north like an avalance, joining with the arab confedrecy, but double crossing them, instead of stoping at Israel, they then carry on their conquest, Eygpt, north Africa, middle east. then the great tribulation, like non other. this is prior to the return of Jesus.

johnny

 

[Shilohsfoal]

intresting the king of the north., when you see the armies surrounding Jerusalem, the abomination that causes desolation,
again Jesus mentions this in Mathew 24, when you see the abomination that causes desolation, standing in the holy of holys, spoken of by Daniel,
it was time for every one to flee to the mountains,

what do you see as the abomination that causes desolation, Islam and the anti christ.?

and how does this fit in with the king of the north, anti christ. time scale ect.

osama bin laden calling for holy jihad, and people from nearly every nation being united under this call.

then the great tribulation, like non other. this is prior to the return of Jesus.

johnny

The abomination that causes desolation is the mark of the beast.It shall be placed in the wing of the temple(the right hand of the human body).The jews who forsake the covenant shall gladly accept it while many of the saints will die there.

This is what the christian jews there will understand.
Daniel 11;33
And they that understand amoung the people shall instruct many;yet they shall fall by the sword,and by flame,by captivity,and by spoil,many days.

Rev 13;10
He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity;he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword.Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

 

[veteran]

All these points are true, but again, Jerusalem does not meet the Biblical description. How is Jerusalem drunk with the blood of the saints? How has Jerusalem reigned over the kings of the earth and brought the whole planet into spiritual adultery?

It's just not there. If you have evidence of this please show me.

It's kind of right under your nose brother, since you showed by your posts in the ten kings thread about the building in Israel funded by the Rothchilds. The phrase, "MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT..." is especially about the inner secret workings of men behind closed doors, like what deceived Israel was doing behind closed doors in Ezekiel 8. The original origin of the society of Masonry is Jewish, dating back to Solomon's Temple, and the workers king David and king Solomon hired, but from where? Ancient Babylon before that is where the mystical teachings of the ancient 'mysteries' originated. Those teachings are directly opposed to God's Truth.

Nothing wrong with hoping for only good things for Jerusalem on earth. But in that hope we are not to be deceived about what's coming to Jerusalem in the last days prior to Christ's return, as given by our Heavenly Father through His prophets and by our Lord Jesus and His Apostles. If you do a line upon line study of the OT prophets, you'll see what I'm talking about. But actually, what Paul showed in 2 Thess.2 about a false temple with a false one sitting in it, and many other related Scriptures that link to that, that should be enought to see what's meant for Jerusalem in the last days.