Because it was perfectly prepared and organised on a worldwide scale, like they knew what will happen, and they knew it because they were in it probably for years. Interestingly the so called completely new, and unknown virus got apparently completely new vaccine prepared and approved within months by the whole world of governments while before that it took years for anything to be developed and approved. The fact how aggressively it was pushed onto nations was unbelievable and gross. Especially because it was rushed, and with unknown side effects, and nobody took responsibility for it, if you wanted to sue health care or government or creator of the vaxx you wouldn't be able, no one was responsible legally!! Also they hide everything about the jab for many years, like 50 or 70? At my workplace it became mandatory at one point to take the jab on condition to lose the job if you didn't, I refused, left my job on my own terms, and after 2 weeks I was called back by my boss, without forcing me to take it. It only proves what tactics were used, and that it was just a play. The numbers: just before plandemic I think WHO changed the definition of one, and when it becomes a pandemic-it was also planned action for them to able to announce it and act accordingly. You are being naive, and you fell for their lies, for their show. People are not cattle to be forced to take jabs! It's outrageous! If it was real pandemic people would do anything to save themselves and others.
Covid 19 virus plus vaccine was meant to kill us.
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Again, on what basis?
Because the mRNA technology behind the vaccines had been developed decades ago. Given that, and then red tape being cut, logistics issues being quickly addressed, and billions thrown at them, allowed them to get it done quickly. I'm not sure why it always seems the anti-COVID-vaxxers haven't actually looked into any of this, but it isn't surprising.
All was necessary to get as many people vaccinated as quickly as possible. But, there were also concurrent studies going on, so many side effects were known.
I'm not sure what you're saying here.
Which was the right thing to do.
So people say.
Comments like this are what are naive and useless. I could just as easily say you were naive and fell for the lies of the "anti" crowd. I worked the front-lines for 17 months and saw what COVID did to people, especially prior to the vaccines being available. I analyzed the data myself and when vaccines became available, saw the immediate drop in deaths and hospitalizations. I made it my business to be in the know as my health depended on it.
I agree, and no one was forced. A refusal to get vaccinated should result in not being allowed on the premises of any company or institution that doesn't want unvaccinated people on their property. It should also result in refusal of care should one contract whatever it might be.
It was a real pandemic. Again, you're using very subjective criteria.
I too work in public healthcare, and I also know how it was, and it wasn't like you describe it. Your mindset is scary, and tyrannical., and you deny what was going on for 3 years.
"Healthcare" is very vague. Did you have direct dealings with those who contracted COVID?
What wasn't like how I described it? Again, very vague.
What, exactly, is scary to you and is tyrannical? Vagueness is not helpful.
I deny nothing. Again, a very pointless claim. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean there is any denial. The problem is, I have yet to come across anyone who is anti-COVID-vax and anti-health-mandates that has shown they have really thought deeply and thoroughly about all the issues involved. It is far more complex. So, it is no surprise when they all make such claims as "you deny what was going on."
You said that no one was forced to be vaccinated which is denying the fact that everyone was forced, I gave you the example of myself at my workplace. I told you what tactics they used. People were forced to get the jabs and boosters to be allowed to travel, and get access to venues and so on. Propaganda and scare mongering was on the TV and all other media 24 hours. People were refused to stay with their loved ones in hospitals and care homes, even with dying ones! Doctors and other staff were paid huge money for "diagnosing" COVID, and writing down "COVID" as a cause of death whilst the cause was different, people were and are dying after taking COVID jabs. You denied everything I said, as pointless, vague, subjective, anti-vaxxer etc it is not about disagreement, it is about what was going on, about facts. It is about our freedom being taken away bit by bit, one small step at a time but on every field simultaneously, undercover.
The fact that you support mandates. You said it was rightfully so when they tried to force me and all staff to take the jab or else. If you are vaccinated why are you scared that others are not? After all apparently you are now fully protected BC you are jabbed. Or are you?
Yes, and that isn't being forced. Forced implies no choice. You were given a choice. But, this just suggests that you haven't really thought through why such mandates were made and were necessary.
Again, another pointless claim. As your posts show, and as has been the case with every other denier, I could claim that you were subject to propaganda and scare mongering, being afraid of the governments, the vaccines, and losing freedoms. Pick your fear, but at least be honest and admit that everyone was afraid of something during the pandemic. It's that at least one fear--of getting COVID--was more justified than others.
Which was an unfortunately necessary precaution. There were cases even in my own city where someone went into a hospital to visit a loved one, knowingly had COVID but denied it to get in, then spread COVID in the hospital and people died. That isn't scare mongering, that's facts. There are legitimate reasons for denying people access to care homes and hospitals, even to see dying loved ones. And one of those reasons is the risk of spreading or contracting a disease that they then spread further, either in the community, hospital, or care home, and even risk death from. Facts don't care about feelings.
Evidence?
But, you haven't given facts, that's my point. Nothing concrete. Hence why this thread properly belongs in the Conspiracy forum.
It might be, it might not be. But, again, like every other denier I've talked to about this, so far you haven't shown that you've really thought through the full implications and reasoning behind the mandates.
Just trying to give what I believe would be valid reasons. SS alone is one big one.
World wide, there have been efforts to keep populations down. Communism always kills it's own people. One child laws and forced abortion in China. And that's not even counting the concentration camps from the same. It's all on that youtube channel I provided. But if there is a world wide effort, I can see everyone just going with it. If it is a one world government already, it would come in wearing different masks, but be the same united effort behind the scenes. Every country playing the good cop to it's own people, while other countries are the bad cop. They already do that, ours included.
My brother in laws father died from it a week after taking the shot. This is not the exception. This seems to be a common story. I don't have actual surveys or anything, I just have my ear to the streets, so to speak. Can we trust anything else these days?
Why? Can you give a serious answer to that question?
So you forgot the months before the vaccine where people bought up toilet paper, gloves, masks, and hand sanitizer. Stores closed or heavily restricted customer flow, employers laid people off, and unemployment hit the highest point in decades? Not to mention Hospitals in densely populated cities were over whelmed and some countries like italy and spain got hit extremely hard.
That's the thing as someone who worked medical adjacent at the time, it was very real. Nursing homes were losing people like crazy and my grandfather passed during the hight of it. Hospitals were full. Staff were burning out due to the demand. The conspiracy that this was all fake started gaining traction when people got bored sitting at home.
Why? Why would anyone do that?
You have to purposefully ignore the information on the death toll to come to this conclusion. You would have had to live extremely isolated to not be effected by family members or friends falling ill.
People at first were panicking because it was something new, and media were scare mongering 24 hours. All panic was caused by media, all scary scenes came from media. What I saw with my own eyes was a peaceful world around me, no bodies on the streets, no despair in anyone around me, no tragic stories from anyone real, only from the media, very peaceful at my workplace (huge, public hospital in the city). I literally don't know anyone who died, I know some people who got ill but it all was like a flu. I got ill only once. Overwhelming majority people who died were old, and with underlaying illnesses and diseases. Then jabs came which finished them off. Before COVID I never thought about vaccinations, pandemics, I was neither supporter nor against. When COVID was announced I just knew it was something odd, and unreal, I didn't learn that from anyone, I just knew, let's call it gut feeling. We fight not against flesh and blood, that's the general point, and the devil works through every system, healthcare, education, music industry, politics, media, movies, etc.
So the news aaid bad things were happening and people got apooked, so its fake? No, as I mentioned I worked adjacent with medical staff. I had to regularly go to hospitals and coriapons with doctors for the people under my care. It was a mad house once winter hit. The hospitals could not keep up with people getting hit hard by Covid.
am getting the impression that since covid wasn't like the movies, it was fake. That is not how pandemics work. The movies don't show the mass slow interim between waves. People didn't just drop dead from covid because it had an incubation period. People would get weak and die from the lack of their own ability to breath. Usually at home or at a hospital.
You experienced a once in a life time event and it didn't play out like the movies. You didn't know how to rationalize it so it felt odd. It didn't feel odd to me. We had a novel virus that swept across the planet. People got sick and died in record numbers higher than the typical flue season. People developed long lasting effects. Then the vaccines and boosters rolled out and we saw a huge dent in both hospital taxation and deaths.
If the conspiracy to kill the populace woth vaccines was true we would have choked streets by now with how many took them.
What about masks?.
The thing with masks is they made it manditory yet some people just cut a bit of cloth and covered there mouth, or wore a dust mask, not sure how protective that was. There was no specific type of special protective mask everyone was forced to wear so what was the point.
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The general point was that people cover their mouths and noes to decrease the likelihood of spreading an airborne virus. Masks did very, but having a least a piece of cloth lowered transmission rates.
2 weeks to flatten the curve, social distancing and then social distancing with masks, still didn't seem to work, 2 years later.
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Because the government leaders were not elected by gained control through election fraud and did what their Globalist handlers told them to do.
It’s all coming to light now.
For there is nothing hidden which will not be revealed, nor has anything been kept secret but that it should come to light. Mark 4:22
It was classic like a farmer and his sheep.
Just 2 weeks to flatten the curve.
1. Social distance.
2. Social distance and manditory masks.
3. Lockdown, stay home and business shut.
4. Get jabed and your allowed back into the field of freedom.
I mean they did manage in my country to get over 90% jab rate as they said that was there target.
Just 2 weeks to flatten the curve.
1. Social distance.
2. Social distance and manditory masks.
3. Lockdown, stay home and business shut.
4. Get jabed and your allowed back into the field of freedom.
I mean they did manage in my country to get over 90% jab rate as they said that was there target.
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It was just a test. Many people flipped out in fear over covid it's like they got psychosis over it or something like the world is full of zombies and anyone who got close to them was like a zombie going to infect them like many believed everyone else was like a zombie and they need something to keep them safe from them like a jab. Like someone not wearing a mask or going to a peaceful walk at the park minding there own business during lockdown and people was told to snitch on them to authorities.
That's how much fear people were pumped with. It emotionally and psychologically damaged people.
That's how much fear people were pumped with. It emotionally and psychologically damaged people.
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If we locked the entire country down over 1 single case and had social distancing, manditory masks, and then a jab, and still from that first case till now millions of peoppe got covid. obviously nothing stopped transmission. From 1 known case to full hard lockdowns and social distancing and masks and even a jab, to millions of people getting infected.
I can only conclude it was all a big failure when it comes to the preventing transmission argument.
Level 4 lockdown was supposed to be elimination of the virus. It didn't work. Trying to count virus numbers and contain and eliminate an invisible virus. Even when a city had an outbreak they gave everyone 24 hours notice to flee before lockdown so of course many are going to flee the city to freedom and spread from the infected area all around the country as no one wants to be locked down so there was traffic jams people trying to escape and take some time off, and who knows if they infected. just potentially spreading the virus. Its like there was no logic behind anything. That's not containing a virus.
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I think this is exactly how things should go in a dynamic situation where so little is known about a virus. All they can do is act based on the knowledge they have at the time. The main problem in the whole pandemic, and what continues to be the main problem, is people. People who denied there was a pandemic; people who denied that COVID was even a thing; people who denied the efficacy of masks, social distancing, and vaccines. That is exactly why it took far more than two weeks to flatten the curve. It's why millions died and more died than was necessary. It's why many now have long COVID, some debilitatingly so, even to the point of choosing euthanasia.
It's amazing how easy it is for you anti-COVID-vax, anti-mandate crowd looking back to make all these judgements.
And for many who got COVID, they were physically, emotionally, and psychologically damaged from COVID itself. Possibly permanently for some of them.
The vaccines, masks absolutely, and distancing helped, at least in sense of isolation. The pandemic didn't end until vaccines were made widely available.
Of course it isn't. Again, the central problem in all of this is people--selfish and self-centered people, as well as frightened people who then threw common sense out the window. But, it's also hard to know what to do when even the governments didn't know what to do, or ignored their protocols.