[_ Old Earth _] Creation and Evolution Presentation

[jasoncran]

yes but they often do cross fields. meaning a mechanical engineering might be the guy who plans where power lines, streets and sewer lines go and also will inspect buildings if he works for the government. I met one that did do this. they also will work with gis, and also do other like things such as simple location of utiliies lines.

and on medicine. a gynecologist is an md first and must have some years in that field before they go into that speciality.with engineering that isn't the case from what I have been told. they do have separate classes and degrees but they do cross fields and work.

 

[kevinmaynard]

yes but they often do cross fields. meaning a mechanical engineering might be the guy who plans where power lines, streets and sewer lines go and also will inspect buildings if he works for the government. I met one that did do this. they also will work with gis, and also do other like things such as simple location of utiliies lines.

and on medicine. a gynecologist is an md first and must have some years in that field before they go into that speciality.with engineering that isn't the case from what I have been told. they do have separate classes and degrees but they do cross fields and work.

Well sure they can cross fields, but it is best to stick with your specialty. Otherwise why get one.

 

[jasoncran]

Well sure they can cross fields, but it is best to stick with your specialty. Otherwise why get one.

because there is NO job security when one is an engineer that is why. I asked the man about that and he said YOU better be willing to cross train. even the professor who was teaching me math said that. that is why after the guard killed that for me for a few months I just walked away from that field. I had a fellow student in the field working the field with no training. he built turbines for pratt witney. cads was easy and he was trained in house. he had to get the degree so that he could keep his job but for a few years it wasn't needed. he wasn't doing research,just building turbines and testing them as qc.

 

[kevinmaynard]

because there is NO job security when one is an engineer that is why. I asked the man about that and he said YOU better be willing to cross train. even the professor who was teaching me math said that. that is why after the guard killed that for me for a few months I just walked away from that field. I had a fellow student in the field working the field with no training. he built turbines for pratt witney. cads was easy and he was trained in house. he had to get the degree so that he could keep his job but for a few years it wasn't needed. he wasn't doing research,just building turbines and testing them as qc.

It is really hard to be an engineer. They are in high demand and unless they get fired for being incompetent can get a job making great money no problem.

 

[jasoncran]

It is really hard to be an engineer. They are in high demand and unless they get fired for being incompetent can get a job making great money no problem.

uhm not the case , its the fact that its cheaper to train an legal worker from india et all and use them as they will work for 20 grand or less that is why I saw that time to exit.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/12/obama-engineers_n_2674183.html

would you if knew you could make 80k a year take only 50k a year?i wouldn't its called being underpaid and that is what I was told.

 

[kevinmaynard]

uhm not the case , its the fact that its cheaper to train an legal worker from india et all and use them as they will work for 20 grand or less that is why I saw that time to exit.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/12/obama-engineers_n_2674183.html

would you if knew you could make 80k a year take only 50k a year?i wouldn't its called being underpaid and that is what I was told.

Business has to import engineers and scientists because we don't have enough. Not to try and undercut wages.

 

[Rick W]

Engineers are the ones doing the research in many if not all fields of science. We try to keep ahead of our competitors through new ways of doing things. Ryan labs, our research center, is staffed by engineers. I don't know who else would be qualified to do the research necessary. If a concept is deemed worthy of investment the manufacturing engineers take over the project. Once in production test engineering comes into play along with the engineers in quality control.
GE, Dupont, Bell Labs, JP labs all are staffed by engineers researching the future of their field of science. Bio-engineering does research in... well, biology.

Need to get up to date about this idea of what engineering is I think.

http://www.nae.edu/Publications/Bridge/Bioengineering/TheEmergenceofBioengineering.aspx
The Emergence of Bioengineering

During the latter half of this century, there has been a revolution in the biological sciences. Biology has truly come of age, achieving an importance equal to that of physics and chemistry. The March 10, 1997, issue of Business Week highlighted this fact by declaring the arrival of "The Biotech Century." The magazine was bold enough to state that "biology will define scientific progress in the 21st century."

Although some date the ascendancy of the biological sciences to the work of Watson and Crick (1953), which revealed the double-helix structure of DNA, there was a significant advance earlier in the century that laid the foundation for the exciting developments that we have witnessed in recent years. This advance was, in a very literal sense, a "cultural revolution," one that made it possible to grow living, biological cells in the research laboratory. I refer, of course, to the advent of cell culture (Leff, 1983). This "out-of-body" technology has made possible much of what we have learned about cell and molecular biology over the past 50 years. This is not to in any way underrate the achievement of Watson and Crick, for their work led us to our knowledge of a cell's genetic program and the development of recombinant DNA technology. The first products resulting from this technology began to appear more than a decade ago.

 

[jasoncran]

Business has to import engineers and scientists because we don't have enough. Not to try and undercut wages.

so was my college professor lying when he is an engineer? all the engineers I talk to say that is true. they have often had to shift as that is the reason they jump fields, its not because they cant do it!its nothing but the same lie that americans wouldn't work if we didn't have immigrants in the jobs that they do. simply false. its about cheap labor. nothing more.a businessman who Is smart will try to pay the least amount for the most amount of work, and start low and work up if he has too. they often say the same darn thing about mechanics when the average age of mechanics is 40 plus. this has nothing to do with that its more about the fact that often the shops want experience and want that over the new college grad or a vo tech grad. this was my field and im out of it due to cuts. I would have to go into the street side of that and honeslty I could do it but its about two things. knowing the manager and politics and also lying and cheating to get the sale.

 

[kevinmaynard]

so was my college professor lying when he is an engineer? all the engineers I talk to say that is true. they have often had to shift as that is the reason they jump fields, its not because they cant do it!its nothing but the same lie that americans wouldn't work if we didn't have immigrants in the jobs that they do. simply false. its about cheap labor. nothing more.a businessman who Is smart will try to be the least amount for the most amount of work, and start low and work up if he has too.

Is is mistaken if he says that engineers can't get a job. Engineers are in very high demand, and are paid really well. At the university of Houston most engineering students are approached as soon as they are accepted into the engineering program to pick who they want to work for. I don't know even one unemployed engineer.

 

[kevinmaynard]

Engineers are the ones doing the research in many if not all fields of science. We try to keep ahead of our competitors through new ways of doing things. Ryan labs, our research center, is staffed by engineers. I don't know who else would be qualified to do the research necessary. If a concept is deemed worthy of investment the manufacturing engineers take over the project. Once in production test engineering comes into play along with the engineers in quality control.
GE, Dupont, Bell Labs, JP labs all are staffed by engineers researching the future of their field of science. Bio-engineering does research in... well, biology.

Need to get up to date about this idea of what engineering is I think.

http://www.nae.edu/Publications/Bridge/Bioengineering/TheEmergenceofBioengineering.aspx
The Emergence of Bioengineering

During the latter half of this century, there has been a revolution in the biological sciences. Biology has truly come of age, achieving an importance equal to that of physics and chemistry. The March 10, 1997, issue of Business Week highlighted this fact by declaring the arrival of "The Biotech Century." The magazine was bold enough to state that "biology will define scientific progress in the 21st century."

Although some date the ascendancy of the biological sciences to the work of Watson and Crick (1953), which revealed the double-helix structure of DNA, there was a significant advance earlier in the century that laid the foundation for the exciting developments that we have witnessed in recent years. This advance was, in a very literal sense, a "cultural revolution," one that made it possible to grow living, biological cells in the research laboratory. I refer, of course, to the advent of cell culture (Leff, 1983). This "out-of-body" technology has made possible much of what we have learned about cell and molecular biology over the past 50 years. This is not to in any way underrate the achievement of Watson and Crick, for their work led us to our knowledge of a cell's genetic program and the development of recombinant DNA technology. The first products resulting from this technology began to appear more than a decade ago.

I am quite sure you are correct. A lot of research for practical application is done by engineers working in private companies. That is the skill set of an engineer. Practical application of knowledge. Solve problems. The fundamental research is done by specialists in the field. Such at the superconductivity center at the University of Houston. That is staffed by physicists. Geology research is done by geologists. Medical research is done by Doctors or biologists. etc.

 

[jasoncran]

he didn't say that he said you will be at times without a job and will have to look for other lines of work.its best to be willing to be able to do a lot of the fields within that.

government work such as these often use engineers though some listed may not be engineers doing this:
chemists that test water purity
electrical engineering department for the transmission and distribution system that are used in the planning of lines to homes and business and also related stuff
civil enginnering departments.
inspectors of buildings.

I know they don't remain unemployed but all the engineering firms are hurting here. why? lack of construction as that is what they do. they test cement and also survey. my former boss is a surveyor. he likes that field but says that its hard right now as the economy sucks. he does that on the side. I used to talk to him about mapping and how the army uses topo maps and what we use them for and its less accurate then what he uses.

 

[Rick W]

oops. wrong thread

 

[kevinmaynard]

he didn't say that he said you will be at times without a job and will have to look for other lines of work.its best to be willing to be able to do a lot of the fields within that.

government work such as these often use engineers though some listed may not be engineers doing this:
chemists that test water purity
electrical engineering department for the transmission and distribution system that are used in the planning of lines to homes and business and also related stuff
civil enginnering departments.
inspectors of buildings.

I know they don't remain unemployed but all the engineering firms are hurting here. why? lack of construction as that is what they do. they test cement and also survey. my former boss is a surveyor. he likes that field but says that its hard right now as the economy sucks. he does that on the side. I used to talk to him about mapping and how the army uses topo maps and what we use them for and its less accurate then what he uses.

Engineering firms hurting there? Maybe the particular firms you think are hurting have done poor work and have a bad reputation. As for finding work that is the nature of the modern economy. You focus on civil engineering. Yeah there will be issues with employment as governments are running out of money and have to lay off. I work for an oil company, and can tell you that no qualified engineer has to be unemployed in the United states if they don't want to be. Sure you might have to move and travel. Might have to go to a rig or field, but between natural gas and oil there are thousands of openings. Same for chemical companies.

 

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[Barbarian]

If you are interested in explaining natural events in a Christian context, you might want to read Finding Darwin's God by Kenneth Miller, or a number of works by Francis Collins:
http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&ke...ooks&hvadid=3482560069&ref=pd_sl_6a88c4mjt1_e

The former is Roman Catholic, and the latter is an Evangelical, but they find no conflict between God and the nature of His creation.

Worth checking out.