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Cross or Stake

CherubRam

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Stauros (σταυρός) is a Greek word for a stake. A army stauros is a "LINE" of defense.

The words "cross" and "crucify" are mistranslations, a "later rendering," of the Greek words stauros and stauroo. According to Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, STAUROS denotes, primarily, an upright pole or stake. The shape of the two-beamed cross had its origin in ancient Chaldea and was used as the symbol of the god Tammuz. In the third century A.D., pagans were received into the apostate ecclesiastical system and were permitted largely to retain their pagan signs and symbols.

According to The Companion Bible, crosses were used as symbols of the Babylonian Sun-god. The evidence is complete; the Lord was put to death upon an upright stake, not on two pieces of timber placed at an angle.

According to Encyclopaedia Britannica, in the Egyptian churches the cross was a pagan symbol of life borrowed by the Christians and interpreted in the pagan manner.

According to Greek dictionaries and lexicons, the primary meaning of stauros is an upright pale, pole, or stake. The secondary meaning of "cross" is admitted to be a "later" rendering. In spite of the evidence, almost all common versions of the Scriptures persist with the Latin Vulgate's crux (meaning cross) as the rendering of the Greek stauros.

The most accepted reason for the "cross" being brought into Messianic worship is Constantine's famous vision of "the cross superimposed on the sun" in A.D. 312. What he saw is nowhere to be found in Scripture. Even after his so-called "conversion," his coins showed an even-armed cross as a symbol for the Sun-god. Many scholars have doubted the "conversion" of Constantine because of the wicked deeds that he did afterwards.

After Constantine had the "vision of the cross," he promoted another variety of the cross, the Chi-Rho or Labarum. This has been explained as representing the first letters of the name Christos (CH and R, or, in Greek, X and P). The identical symbols were found as inscriptions on rock, dating from ca. 2500 B.C., being interpreted as "a combination of the two Sun-symbols." Another proof of its pagan origin is that the identical symbol was found on a coin of Ptolemeus III from 247-222 B.C.

According to An Illustrated Encyclopedia of Traditional Symbols, the labarum was also an emblem of the Chaldean sky-god. Emperor Constantine adopted the labarum as the imperial ensign. According to Dictionary of Mythology Folklore and Symbols, the symbol was in use long before Christianity. Chi probably stood for Great Fire or Sun. Rho probably stood for Pater or Patah (Father). The word labarum yields "everlasting Father Sun."
 
The words "cross" and "crucify" are mistranslations

Just l8ke the endless quibbling about the pagan meaning to Easter and Christmas this argument is irrelevant.
Jesus died was buried and rose again to pay for our sins to show he had finished every task, fulfilled every requirement Set by God, so we can be saved.

The gospel is the important message, not the method of execution.

Though having said that even the Romans believed that Jesus was crucified, as shown by the graffiti in Pompey.
 
Just l8ke the endless quibbling about the pagan meaning to Easter and Christmas this argument is irrelevant.
Jesus died was buried and rose again to pay for our sins to show he had finished every task, fulfilled every requirement Set by God, so we can be saved.

The gospel is the important message, not the method of execution.

Though having said that even the Romans believed that Jesus was crucified, as shown by the graffiti in Pompey.
Christ was (staked out) on a post.

So then, you believe that God does not care if you join Paganism to Him?

What does the goddess Easter have to do with God or Christianity?
 
Christ was (staked out) on a post.

So then, you believe that God does not care if you join Paganism to Him?

What does the goddess Easter have to do with God or Christianity?
I asked you this before and I believe you never replied....

WHY is this important to you?
 
It was a cross. We know that's what the Romans used.

If Christ was a Roman sacrifice to the sun god, then yes, he was hanged on a cross.

But in order to fulfill the prophecy, the messiah had to be hanged on a pole.
 
If Christ was a Roman sacrifice to the sun god, then yes, he was hanged on a cross.

But in order to fulfill the prophecy, the messiah had to be hanged on a pole.
The Romans executed people in a number of ways, including using crosses. And, as has been pointed out, early Christian drawings show Jesus on a cross. Besides, the use of stauros could simply mean the cross piece. In the end, the precise method of execution doesn't matter; Jesus died and rose again. And, believers are called to take up their cross and follow Christ.
 
The Romans executed people in a number of ways, including using crosses. And, as has been pointed out, early Christian drawings show Jesus on a cross. Besides, the use of stauros could simply mean the cross piece. In the end, the precise method of execution doesn't matter; Jesus died and rose again. And, believers are called to take up their cross and follow Christ.
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Types of labarum called crosses.




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The words "cross" and "crucify" are mistranslations, a "later rendering," of the Greek words stauros and stauroo.
New World Translation, Matthew 27:

40 and saying: “You who would throw down the temple and build it in three days,+ save yourself! If you are a son of God, come down off the torture stake [G4716 σταυρός]!”
Thayer's Greek Lexicon:

  1. an upright stake, especially a pointed one (Homer, Herodotus, Thucydides, Xenophon).
  2. a cross.
The Greek is ambiguous, New International Version:

and saying, “You who are going to destroy the temple and build it in three days, save yourself! Come down from the cross, if you are the Son of God!”
Was Jesus nailed on an I-shaped stake or a T-shaped cross?

There are clues that point to the latter. Thomas was skeptical in John 20:

25 Unless I see in His hands the imprint of the nails, and put my finger into the place of the nails, and put my hand into His side, I will not believe.”
The T-shape cross required more than one nail.

A chapter later, Jesus prophesied the manner of Peter's death in John 21:

18 Truly, truly, I say to you, when you were young, you used to dress yourself and walk wherever you wanted, but when you are old, you will stretch out your hands,
on the horizontal beam of the cross

and another will dress you and carry you where you do not want to go.” 19 (This he said to show by what kind of death he was to glorify God.) And after saying this he said to him, “Follow me.”
This is the staurogram:

r/BibleVerseCommentary - If you are a son of God, come down off the TORTURE STAKE
It is a ligature composed of a superposition of the Greek letters tau (Τ) and rho (Ρ). Some 2nd-century manuscripts used the staurogram to spell G4716.

There are also artifacts from the Shroud of Turin:

There is evidence that the body once folded in the Shroud was the victim of a Roman crucifixion. Though used as a method of execution by the Persians, the Phoenicians, the Greeks, and other societies of antiquity, crucifixion in the Roman world was distinctive in a number of ways. Flogging invariably preceded execution and was usually carried out as the condemned proceeded to the crucifixion site; the victim was made to carry his own crossbar and was tied or nailed thereto and then hoisted onto a cross; or a T-shaped frame. Evidence in the Shroud image attests to each of these traits
Was Jesus nailed on an I-shaped stake or a T-shaped cross?

Lexically, σταυρός is ambiguous. However, there are some strong textual and physical evidences that point to the T-shaped cross.
 
For the love and respect for God.
What does how Jesus died have to do with love and respect for God?

The Jewish population stoned persons to death.
The Romans hung persons on crosses, shaped like a T.

If you went down the Via Appia in those times, there would be many crosses with either dead or live persons on them.

The Romans put Jesus to death in their method.
 
New World Translation, Matthew 27:


Thayer's Greek Lexicon:

  1. an upright stake, especially a pointed one (Homer, Herodotus, Thucydides, Xenophon).
  2. a cross.
The Greek is ambiguous, New International Version:


Was Jesus nailed on an I-shaped stake or a T-shaped cross?

There are clues that point to the latter. Thomas was skeptical in John 20:


The T-shape cross required more than one nail.

A chapter later, Jesus prophesied the manner of Peter's death in John 21:


on the horizontal beam of the cross


This is the staurogram:

r/BibleVerseCommentary - If you are a son of God, come down off the TORTURE STAKE
It is a ligature composed of a superposition of the Greek letters tau (Τ) and rho (Ρ). Some 2nd-century manuscripts used the staurogram to spell G4716.

There are also artifacts from the Shroud of Turin:


Was Jesus nailed on an I-shaped stake or a T-shaped cross?

Lexically, σταυρός is ambiguous. However, there are some strong textual and physical evidences that point to the T-shaped cross.
The writing of history goes to the victor. The term "cross" was added to the dictionaries to please the Catholics.
A post is not a cross, and a cross is not a fence.
 
What does how Jesus died have to do with love and respect for God?

The Jewish population stoned persons to death.
The Romans hung persons on crosses, shaped like a T.

If you went down the Via Appia in those times, there would be many crosses with either dead or live persons on them.

The Romans put Jesus to death in their method.
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Sin hanged on a pole.

Numbers 21:8
The Lord said to Moses, “Make a snake and put it up on a pole; anyone who is bitten can look at it and live.”

Numbers 21:9
So Moses made a bronze snake and put it up on a pole. Then when anyone was bitten by a snake and looked at the bronze snake, they lived.

Romans 8:3
For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh,
 
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