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Daniels 70 weeks made Simple

Sinthesis said:
To scripturally prove within this context that 14 generations does not equal 560 literal years is easy:

From Abraham to David are fourteen generations - Mat 1:17
Abraham died at 175yrs old - Gen 25:7
Abraham had Isaac at 100yrs old - Gen 21:5
Isaac had Jacob at 60yrs old - Gen 25:26
Jacob entered Egypt at 130yrs old - Gen 47:9
Therefore, Jacob entered Egypt 115yrs after Abraham died
Therefore, Jacob entered Egypt 290yrs after Abraham was born
Jacob/Israel was in Egypt 430yrs - Exd 12:40
Therefore, Israel left Egypt 545yrs after Abraham died
Therefore, Israel left Egypt 720yrs after Abraham was born
David began to reign at 30yrs old - 2Sa 5:4
David reigned 40yrs - 2Sa 5:4
Solomon's 4th year of reign was the 480th since Israel left Egypt - 1Ki 6:1
Therefore, David was born 406yrs after Israel left Egypt
Therefore, David died 476yrs after Israel left Egypt
Therefore, there are 951yrs from Abraham's death until David's birth (14gen Min)
Therefore, there are 1196yrs from Abraham's birth until David's death (14gen Max)
Therefore, the 14 generations from Abraham to David would each average 67.93yrs minimum and 85.43yrs maximum.
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The clock for the 430 years started ticking when Joseph entered Egypt, not when Jacob entered Egypt.


40 Now the sojourn of the children of Israel who lived in Egypt was four hundred and thirty years. 41 And it came to pass at the end of the four hundred and thirty years--on that very same day--it came to pass that all the armies of the Lord went out from the land of Egypt.

By your "math" Cyrus would have given the decree 1000 years before Messiah the Prince.

You have proved nothing!


JLB
 
JLB said:
The clock for the 430 years started ticking when Joseph entered Egypt, not when Jacob entered Egypt.


40 Now the sojourn of the children of Israel who lived in Egypt was four hundred and thirty years. 41 And it came to pass at the end of the four hundred and thirty years--on that very same day--it came to pass that all the armies of the Lord went out from the land of Egypt.

By your "math" Cyrus would have given the decree 1000 years before Messiah the Prince.

You have proved nothing!

JLB
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'Children' is plural, and Joseph is not plural. Yet even allowing for those 22yrs of uncertainty, or an alternate interpretation of the range of years some believe is suggested by Gal 3:17, it is impossible to harmonize the scriptures with your belief that 14 generations must be a literal 560yrs. Therefore the assumption you use to support your idea that Cyrus' decree started the 70wks are faulty, and the idea that your math must be correct because it is supported by Cyrus' decree is simply backwards. Promoting an idea through two intertwined presumptions, one of which is demonstrably false, is a recipe for deception.
 
When we count forward 483 years from Artaxerxes decree 1 Nisan 457 BC it comes out at 1 Nisan AD 27 - the time Jesus began his public ministry. When one considers how Daniel first predicts the decree nearly a century before it happened, then proceeds to telescope another 69 weeks further, we find a supernatural fulfilment of the ‘times’ in Jesus of Nazareth.

But the connection to Cyrus' and Darius' decree cannot be ignored. Actually all three decrees are correct. This is even stated in Ezra 6:14:

"And the elders of the Jews built and prospered through the prophesying of Haggai the prophet and Zechariah the son of Iddo. They finished their building by decree of the God of Israel and by decree of Cyrus and Darius and Artaxerxes king of Persia."​

This clear statement of scripture cuts right through the endless arguments, disagreements, wrangling, books and debates claiming one decree is the ‘most correct’ and all others are wrong etc. etc. The simple truth is they are the same decree; they are all correct. However, the actual count, is made from Artaxerxes.
 
Sinthesis said:
'Children' is plural, and Joseph is not plural. Yet even allowing for those 22yrs of uncertainty, or an alternate interpretation of the range of years some believe is suggested by Gal 3:17, it is impossible to harmonize the scriptures with your belief that 14 generations must be a literal 560yrs. Therefore the assumption you use to support your idea that Cyrus' decree started the 70wks are faulty, and the idea that your math must be correct because it is supported by Cyrus' decree is simply backwards. Promoting an idea through two intertwined presumptions, one of which is demonstrably false, is a recipe for deception.
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The children of Israel included Joseph.

Yes or No?


JLB
 
Cyberseeker said:
When we count forward 483 years from Artaxerxes decree 1 Nisan 457 BC it comes out at 1 Nisan AD 27 - the time Jesus began his public ministry. When one considers how Daniel first predicts the decree nearly a century before it happened, then proceeds to telescope another 69 weeks further, we find a supernatural fulfilment of the ‘times’ in Jesus of Nazareth.

But the connection to Cyrus' and Darius' decree cannot be ignored. Actually all three decrees are correct. This is even stated in Ezra 6:14:

"And the elders of the Jews built and prospered through the prophesying of Haggai the prophet and Zechariah the son of Iddo. They finished their building by decree of the God of Israel and by decree of Cyrus and Darius and Artaxerxes king of Persia."​

This clear statement of scripture cuts right through the endless arguments, disagreements, wrangling, books and debates claiming one decree is the ‘most correct’ and all others are wrong etc. etc. The simple truth is they are the same decree; they are all correct. However, the actual count, is made from Artaxerxes.
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1 Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of the Lord by the mouth of Jeremiah might be fulfilled, the Lord stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, so that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and also put it in writing, saying, 2 Thus says Cyrus king of Persia: All the kingdoms of the earth the Lord God of heaven has given me. And He has commanded me to build Him a house at Jerusalem which is in Judah. Ezra 1:1-3

As I said, This is the command To restore and build Jerusalem Until Messiah the Prince.

This command was given by Cyrus, by the will of God. The 70 weeks prophecy began with THIS command.

It couldn't be any more simple and plain.

The work was stopped, as God Himself foresaw - 7 weeks and 62 weeks

23 Now when the copy of King Artaxerxes' letter was read before Rehum, Shimshai the scribe, and their companions, they went up in haste to Jerusalem against the Jews, and by force of arms made them cease. 24 Thus the work of the house of God which is at Jerusalem ceased, and it was discontinued until the second year of the reign of Darius king of Persia. Cyrus 4:23-24


The command to restore and build Jerusalem that started the 70 week time clock was given by Cyrus.

1 Then King Darius issued a decree, and a search was made in the archives, where the treasures were stored in Babylon. 2 And at Achmetha, in the palace that is in the province of Media, a scroll was found, and in it a record was written thus: 3 In the first year of King Cyrus, King Cyrus issued a decree concerning the house of God at Jerusalem: Ezra 6:1-3


This and this alone cuts through ALL of the misconceptions.


JLB
 
Sinthesis said:
The point being that the Lamb is slaughtered the 'day' before Passover, and consumed after the date change (so on Passover) but before it gets dark... IIRC
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Help me out here please.
From the Naval Chart, last column, 14 Nisan, this is how I am reading it......

(Beginning at sundown the evening before...) Wed. April 28th.
So for a Jew the 14th of Nisan would have begun on the evening before Wed. April 28th.

So the day of preparation, the day Jesus died, would have been on Tuesday, and we know that cannot be correct. He died before sunset on the day of preparation and Passover began at sunset the same day.
Tuesday at sunset to Wednesday sunrise - one night
Wed. sunrise to Wed. sunset - one day
Wed. sunset to Thurs. sunrise - one night
Thurs. sunrise to Thurs. sunset - one day
Thurs. sunset to Friday sunrise - one night
Friday sunrise to Friday sunset - one day
Friday sunset to Sat. sunrise - one night
Sat. sunrise to Sat. sunset - one day

So my question to you is, Am I reading the Naval chart incorrectly?
I leave this question open to anyone who will look at the Naval chart and see how it reads to them.
http://www.judaismvschristianity.com/Passover_dates.htm
 
I will look at the chart later when I get back, Yhwh Willing, but at first glance of your summary, why do you have 3rd day sunset to 3rd day sunrise - one night and 4th day sunrise to 4th day sunset - one day as the first noted night and day? if the chart does read that way it's incorrect if, again I didn't look yet at that particular chart, IF it tries to say Yeshua was crucified on the 3rd day. If it's referring to that night and day for a different purpose, we'll see perhaps.
 
Deborah13 said:
Help me out here please.
From the Naval Chart, last column, 14 Nisan, this is how I am reading it......

(Beginning at sundown the evening before...) Wed. April 28th.
So for a Jew the 14th of Nisan would have begun on the evening before Wed. April 28th.

So the day of preparation, the day Jesus died, would have been on Tuesday, and we know that cannot be correct. He died before sunset on the day of preparation and Passover began at sunset the same day.
Tuesday at sunset to Wednesday sunrise - one night
Wed. sunrise to Wed. sunset - one day
Wed. sunset to Thurs. sunrise - one night
Thurs. sunrise to Thurs. sunset - one day
Thurs. sunset to Friday sunrise - one night
Friday sunrise to Friday sunset - one day
Friday sunset to Sat. sunrise - one night
Sat. sunrise to Sat. sunset - one day

So my question to you is, Am I reading the Naval chart incorrectly?
I leave this question open to anyone who will look at the Naval chart and see how it reads to them.
http://www.judaismvschristianity.com/Passover_dates.htm
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Jesus was crucified on the Passover.

He was crucified on Friday before the Sabbath.

The Sabbath began at sunset on Friday.

Three days and three nights.

On the third day He rose.

What in the world does Wednesday have to do with it?

JLB
 
JLB said:
Jesus was crucified on the Passover.

He was crucified on Friday before the Sabbath.

The Sabbath began at sunset on Friday.

Three days and three nights.

On the third day He rose.

What in the world does Wednesday have to do with it?

JLB
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So if Passover was on Friday....
Please count three days and three nights from just before dark on Friday.
Show me the days and the nights. Fri., Fri nite, .....
 
Deborah13 said:
So if Passover was on Friday....
Please count three days and three nights from just before dark on Friday.
Show me the days and the nights. Fri., Fri nite, .....
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When did the Sabbath start?

When did Friday start?

Thursday night, Friday morning.

Friday night, Saturday morning,

Saturday night Sunday morning.

God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day. Genesis 1:5


JLB
 
JLB said:
When did the Sabbath start?
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Which year?

When did Friday start?

Thursday night, Friday morning.

Friday night, Saturday morning,

Saturday night Sunday morning.

God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day. Genesis 1:5

JLB
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Jesus didn't die on the Passover, He died on the preparation day for the Passover Feast. So when the Jews were killing and roasting their Passover lamb, the Messiah was being tried, flogged, and crucified. They would have removed all leaven from their homes this day too I believe.
OR is the preparation day speaking of the Passover in preparation for the days of Unleavened bread.

Joh 19:14 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!

Luk 23:53 And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid.
Luk 23:54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on. (the sabbath hadn't started)


Thursady night to Friday morning is - one night ? If He died just before sunset on Friday how do you count this night?

Friday morning to Friday night is - one day
Friday night to Saturday morning is - one night
Saturday morning to Saturday night is - one day
Saturday night to Sunday morning is - one night
Sunday morning - partial day

How do you reconcile these two scriptures?

Luk 23:53 And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid.
Luk 23:54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.
Luk 23:55 And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.
Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

Mar 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
Mar 16:2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
 
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Whatever day Passover falls on is considered a High Sabbath. So to claim Christ died on a Passover Friday is to claim He was crucified on a Sabbath day, and clearly He was not.:twocents
 
Deborah13 said:
Which year?



Jesus didn't die on the Passover, He died on the preparation day for the Passover Feast. So when the Jews were killing and roasting their Passover lamb, the Messiah was being tried, flogged, and crucified. They would have removed all leaven from their homes this day too I believe.
OR is the preparation day speaking of the Passover in preparation for the days of Unleavened bread.

Joh 19:14 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!

Luk 23:53 And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid.
Luk 23:54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on. (the sabbath hadn't started)


Thursady night to Friday morning is - one night ? If He died just before sunset on Friday how do you count this night?

Friday morning to Friday night is - one day
Friday night to Saturday morning is - one night
Saturday morning to Saturday night is - one day
Saturday night to Sunday morning is - one night
Sunday morning - partial day

How do you reconcile these two scriptures?

Luk 23:53 And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid.
Luk 23:54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.
Luk 23:55 And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.
Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

Mar 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
Mar 16:2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
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The first day of the week is Sunday.

This should be all the evidence you need that Jesus was crucified on Friday the day before the Sabbath.

If you would be honest and answer my first question, then you would see the truth.

Why does the Sabbath start on Friday evening, every week?


JLB
 
Contending nations may be more easily reconciled than contending critics.
JLB said:
The first day of the week is Sunday.

This should be all the evidence you need that Jesus was crucified on Friday the day before the Sabbath.

If you would be honest and answer my first question, then you would see the truth.

Why does the Sabbath start on Friday evening, every week?


JLB
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Because the regular Saturday sabbath begins at sunset on Friday.
From sunset on Friday to sunset on Saturday is the 7th day.
 
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