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David Copperfield

I think there's a lot more demonic activity going on than people realize. People don't realize it because they are master deceivers.
 
Pizza said:
Absolutely, without a doubt, yes. And, in a "Screwtape Letters" way, I believe they, to a very limited extent, can interact in the lives of humans. I am also VERY uncomfortable with Ouija boards; while I think they are a joke - I won't have one in my home.

But 'magic shows' or magicians? As big of a joke as the local palm reader or "psychic". I do not doubt that SOME people dabble in dark, occult stuff - but the likes of David Copperfield? Entertainer. Uri Geller? He's been proven a total fake and fraud.

This is what I like about Penn and Teller - they call "Baloney" on so much of this stuff and even go so far as to show you how these tricks are done.

When the deceiver comes and deceives, and I believe he does at times, it is not "magic shows" he's using to mess with us - it is abortion, 'choice', 'saving the planet' and convincing some to behead or burn alive those who oppose them. He comes to steal, kill and destroy - not amaze you with some trick that involves eating razor blades or other nonsense.
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So then, you agree with a couple of the people here that all the video ever shot of magicians is edited prior to being shown to the public and everyone in those videos, regardless of the numbers, is in on the trick?

That's quite an undertaking just to show a card trick.

But I suppose....
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Lewis said:
I have watched David Copperfield many times on TV and because I like what he does' does that hold me in error ? Every time we see a magician or go to a show are we in sin ? Even though we are not doing it ourselves ? I don't go to the shows or seek them out, but if I see a good one on TV I watch them because to me it is nothing but entertainment. But is it entertainment from the devil ?

What does the Bible say about magic, magicians, illusionists?
http://www.gotquestions.org/magic-illusion-Bible.html
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Revelation 18:23 says it like this, "Satan has deceived and led astray every nation by sorcery and black magic."
 
Okay guy's I am home now so what do you all think, is it forbidden for a Christian to view someone like David Copperfield and the others ? I mean they can't do nothing but give a illusion for those big tricks like when Copperfield made a jet vanish 20 something years ago or more. So just because I like seeing him do that stuff, is it okay to do so, or am I to stay clear of all of it. Paul made a very important principal in Romans 14 to whom it is sin to it is sin, and to those who it is not, get the picture. now i am not talking about sin like cheating on your wife or murder, I am talking about illusions here,in my mind I know humans can't make a 747 vanish or walking on water without divine given by God power. So what is the conclusion that you all see ?
 
I think the issue needs a little more clarity. I'm not saying that satanic/demonic forces don't influence our actions, including magic tricks. They do, if we're not with the Lord and dang careful. But there seems to be people here saying that professional magicians are performing real magic. That's patently absurd. I know how many tricks are performed. It's misdirection, sleight of hand, application of scientific principles. Does anyone think that the shirt was actually transported a quarter mile away in an instant?

You guys are confusing demonic influence and stage magic.
 
Gary, I'd like to hear from you at this point. You asked me to explain the shirt illusion, and I did. I came up with a very viable sequence that could explain- without real magic- how the trick was executed. I haven't seen you follow up on my analysis.
 
Lewis said:
Okay guy's I am home now so what do you all think, is it forbidden for a Christian to view someone like David Copperfield and the others ? I mean they can't do nothing but give a illusion for those big tricks like when Copperfield made a jet vanish 20 something years ago or more. So just because I like seeing him do that stuff, is it okay to do so, or am I to stay clear of all of it. Paul made a very important principal in Romans 14 to whom it is sin to it is sin, and to those who it is not, get the picture. now i am not talking about sin like cheating on your wife or murder, I am talking about illusions here,in my mind I know humans can't make a 747 vanish or walking on water without divine given by God power. So what is the conclusion that you all see ?
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I would say that anyone who thinks there are supernatural powers involved rather than just illusions, they shouldn't be watching them.
If I remember correctly the disappearing jet was done with the netting and lighting that illusionists use.
 
Gary said:
So then, you agree with a couple of the people here that all the video ever shot of magicians is edited prior to being shown to the public and everyone in those videos, regardless of the numbers, is in on the trick?

That's quite an undertaking just to show a card trick.

But I suppose....
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Your post is a straw man argument, Gary.
 
Pizza said:
Your post is a straw man argument, Gary.
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It certainly is. No-one said that ALL magic tricks are done with video editing. That is one way to do it, albeit not very imaginative. I did come up with a way that does not involve such editing.
 
Edward said:
I'll take a crack at it. I find myself pretty much agreeing with Gary. I do not think that all stage magic is based on the power of demons, it's all deception and sleight of hand, but if you think about it, that's Satans primary tool also! Here's where the danger of stage magic really is... thinking about the magic and the supposed powers that the magician has in a positive way. This opens doors for the spirits to come into you. Just like playing with a Ouija board. I believe that everything that we speak and do has a corresponding reaction in the spiritual realm.

Like all religions, they're all similar to Christianity but only tweaked a little bit. This does several things for the enemy. One, it adds confusion to the lie because of the similarity, two, it seems to add credibility to the lie because it is couched in the truth. Thirdly, since magic is occultic, it can cast a shadow over Gods power and inhibit a Christians growth and faith by making God seem occultic. Satan is a copycat. All the best lies are couched in the truth. Gods power is real, and anything else is occult.

We're warned about this in scripture. It is written, think on these things, don't think on those things. All things are to be done unto God and His glorification. If a man lusts after a woman in his heart then he is guilty of adultery...

So we're going to be judged by our very thoughts. What we think and speak...we become, over time... and there you are, leaving the harmless magic show with your 6 year old, and all he can talk about is how cool that was, oh and I want a magic set too Daddy. I want to be a magician! It opens doors to the demonic. Whereas he should really be having the name of the Lord roll off of his lips.

Do "harmless" magic shows give glory to God? Do they even acknowledge God? No. Sometimes you'll see the magician feigning uncertainty, and they may say something like, if the spirits are active or will come...alluding to the fact of they need power to do this or something like that. Nothing about God. Always about the dark side.
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Firstly you say not all stage magic is based on the power of demons, then you contradict yourself by saying "that kind of magic is satans primary tool also" Secondly you make numerous connections with practicing the occult and performing magic tricks as a door to the satanic. But you seem to forget that one is for communicating with the dead or evil spirits exclusively and the other is for entertainment and fun exclusively. Thirdly you make the claim that all other religions are similar to Christianity (sorry I don't agree) if anything is similar to Christianity it's the 30 thousand different christian sect's "that have been tweaked a little bit" Fourthly you make some weird connections with magicans, occultism and adultery? Then claim those things are a detraction from real Christianity. Lastly you say that magicians don't glorify God when they do their performances. I'll just reply to that comment and say "You certainly know little about magician's"
 
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Deborah13 said:
If one believes that they are participating in something that is evil, that is what their conscience tells them, then to them it is sin.
We shouldn't take part in something we believe is sin, correct?
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