Death

[farouk]

I believe in NDE's

In what? sorry............

Blessings.

 

[Kathi]

I believe in NDE's

I do not.I think they can be deceiving.

 

[Gary]

I do not.I think they can be deceiving.

I know 2 people who died and lived again. One was brought back with the help of CPR. He managed to whisper, "Let me go". They honored his wishes and let him peacefully slip away. The other died a violent death under the crushing weight of 13 tons of steel. He was gone. There was no doubt about it. He was laying on a gurney, covered with a plastic sheet when he came back.

Neither individual gave any kind of visual description of heaven or hell.

 

[agua.]

I know 2 people who died and lived again.

Neither individual gave any kind of visual description of heaven or hell.

Actually you know 3. Ditto

 

[Kathi]

I have known alot of people who have had cardiac arrests and have come back.No one had an kind of a NDE.They just said that they do not remember anything.

 

[Lewis]

I have known alot of people who have had cardiac arrests and have come back.No one had an kind of a NDE.They just said that they do not remember anything.

But that does not mean that they don't happen' I have a friend who is a church member also who was in the morg with a tag on her toe' and God put her back. Also people who do have NDE's I don't care where they are in the world or how old they are' they all see the same things. And those people are changed forever. I think God allows it at times to let people know that He is real.

 

[sourberry]

But the Holy Bible says that Jesus was sown as a seed, to bring many sons unto glory. Since He is gone unto glory, so will we. You will receive a body that is exactly the same as the one He has.

"And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him."

And you remember, what Jesus said "All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be scattered abroad". So, Jesus came, and "there was not found an help meet for him", as I think.

So what God did to Jesus is
"And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man"

so that "now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his", a I think. You see?

 

[Lewis]

Check the information out on this site. Did not Paul have one' well they talk about it here as well as give some proof.
http://bibleprobe.com/nde.htm
True Near Death Experiences

"For we know that when this tent we live in now is taken down... when we die
and leave these bodies...we will have wonderful new bodies in Heaven, homes
that will be ours for evermore, made for us by God Himself, without human hands."
II Corinthians 5:1 (Living Bible)

 

[Sandy Zalecki]

Do you think their is something about death that makes it uncomfortable for even believers to talk about?

I don't fear death, in fact I look forward to the day I will be in heaven with Jesus. However, there are some things I do fear about death. The first one is how am I going to die. Will it be from some long drawn out illness or something. Then I don't like change. Death is the ultimate change. I am sure the the Lord will prepare me when He is ready to take me home though.

 

[Edward]

Check the information out on this site. Did not Paul have one' well they talk about it here as well as give some proof.
http://bibleprobe.com/nde.htm
True Near Death Experiences

"For we know that when this tent we live in now is taken down... when we die
and leave these bodies...we will have wonderful new bodies in Heaven, homes
that will be ours for evermore, made for us by God Himself, without human hands."
II Corinthians 5:1 (Living Bible)

Amen Brother! NDE's are real. I believe that they happen often to people. I have heard and read so many accounts of them, and have had the Spirit of God bear witness unto my Spirit that they are indeed real and true. They all say the same thing like you say. This is a witness that it is true in and of itself. Even if there may be a few frauds out there, they can't all lie about it.

So I do not fear flesh death anymore, used to. I do not fear trials and tribulation anymore either. Trials are faith builders. So what can they do to me? Play games with me and try to scare me? I know that I have authority over them in Christ. Bring it on devil and come build my faith today. Maybe they want to play rough and kill my flesh? So I'm with the Lord sooner? Ok, I'd like to be with Jesus today. It's win/win no matter how you look at it.

Or should I say, won/won? It is finished. Jesus won.

Praise the Lord our God and thank Him, giving congratulations for His awesome victory!

 

[sourberry]

Amen Brother! NDE's are real. I believe that they happen often to people.

Perhaps, people have a very vague idea of what happens to them.

What is real is that people do not understand what happens to them, as I think. That is real. Everything else is imagined, as I think.

How to break this loop? Repent.

Repent also means to abandon what has no value, as I think. So that the Spirit will fill you with what has value, and understanding will come, but that will be, perhaps, an unspeakable understanding that even if you wanted to share - others will not understand you because they will need the Spirit to reveal them, as I think.

With love.

 

[Lewis]

Scriptural parallel.
http://bibleprobe.com/nde.htm
After being stoned to death in Lystra by the furious mob who resented his ministry and miracles, Saint Paul was snatched from his broken body up into Paradise before being replaced into the repaired frame a few minutes later. Saint Paul speaks of a visit to Heaven.
"I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities." II Corinthians 12:2-5 (KJV).

A Scientist who had a near death experience:

Joyce Hawkes, a cell biologist with a PhD, had an accident that forever changed her life — and her view of science. She suffered a concussion from a falling window. "I think that part of me — that my spirit, my soul — left my body and went to another reality," she said. She was surprised at the experience.

"It just was not part of the paradigm in which I lived as a scientist," Hawkes recalled. "it was a big surprise to me to have this sense of something different than the body — a consciousness different than the body — and to be in this wonderfully healing, peaceful, nurturing place."

"I think what I learned was that there truly is no death, that there is a change in state from a physical form to a spirit form, and that there's nothing to fear about that passage," she said.

Some Near Death Questions that scientists need to grapple with:
Numerous people have had Near Death Experiences after their hearts stopped, or they have stopped breathing; and 10 seconds later the EEG (measure of brain electrical activity) - goes absolutely "flat". If so, how can any scientist say that this NDE is a conscious experience? Also, there have been numerous blind people (blind from birth) who reported Near Death Experiences. And for most of these their NDE's are "visual" experiences. How can these be? It is thought that over 10 million Americans have had Near Death Experiences. Why do "scientists" not study these more? These are not drug induced hallucinations. How can so many people report nearly the same details in their experience if they were due to drugs chemically acting on brain cells? Most people who undergo NDE's say that they are not "dream-like" events, but instead, very real and structured "visits". Also, for most people, an NDE is a "life changing" experience.

We must persevere / suicide is no answer:
Some revived suicide victims describe arriving in a kind of prison or dungeon and they felt that they would have to remain there for a very long time. They recognized that this was their punishment for violating the established law, which requires that each person must suffer his share of sorrows here on earth. Having willfully thrown off the burdens placed upon them, they usually find out that they must carry even more in the world to come. Only God decides when a person has matured for eternity.

 

[jasoncran]

But that does not mean that they don't happen' I have a friend who is a church member also who was in the morg with a tag on her toe' and God put her back. Also people who do have NDE's I don't care where they are in the world or how old they are' they all see the same things. And those people are changed forever. I think God allows it at times to let people know that He is real.

they don't contradict? hmm, where in the bible does it say it has flowers? or that hell has floating dead being tortured? many of those are really biased. the rcc will see the after life according to his bias.basing the facts of hell(gehenna) or not on those isn't the best idea. the bible is where we should look.

 

[Kathi]

People are curious about death and proof of heaven and God.Their have been several books sold of people claiming of their experiences of NDE's.Why not?More money to pad the pocket.I would respect a person more if they had a NDE and kept it to themselves.What about Lazarus?He was dead for three days.Do you think he had an experience of being in Paradise?Do you think he preached about that experience?

 

[Lewis]

they don't contradict? hmm, where in the bible does it say it has flowers? or that hell has floating dead being tortured? many of those are really biased. the rcc will see the after life according to his bias.basing the facts of hell(gehenna) or not on those isn't the best idea. the bible is where we should look.

Wrong Jason NDE's happen. Now in the case of Paul' who goes to heaven unless they are dead in the body.

After being stoned to death in Lystra by the furious mob who resented his ministry and miracles, Saint Paul was snatched from his broken body up into Paradise before being replaced into the repaired frame a few minutes later. Saint Paul speaks of a visit to Heaven.
"I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities." II Corinthians 12:2-5 (KJV).

 

[jasoncran]

paul likely had a vision that isn't an nde. he didn't die. he would have simply said when if he did die and go there and he was close to death three times.

yet he merely says what he knew and heard. he didn't say when. did john have an nde when he saw the visions? NO and yet his visions are also seen and told about in parts by these:

moses. isiah , Ezekiel, Daniel.

 

[Kathi]

Sometimes those visions can be caused from drugs or lack of oxygen and other things.

 

[sourberry]

Saint Paul speaks of a visit to Heaven.

Is it possible that you just do not understand what Paul is saying?

Also, I do not know if it is just me, but the picture you attach to each post is quite strange... I wonder what it means.

 

[TheCurseoftheRodain]

I don't fear death, in fact I look forward to the day I will be in heaven with Jesus. However, there are some things I do fear about death. The first one is how am I going to die. Will it be from some long drawn out illness or something. Then I don't like change. Death is the ultimate change. I am sure the the Lord will prepare me when He is ready to take me home though.

Hey Sandy, did you know that Jesus has already tasted death for you? That means you won't even know it when you do leave this body.
He also says in Proverbs 18:21 that the power of life and death are in the tongue. That means God is not the one with the power of death, He's already given it to you, and it's in your tongue. You shall have whatsoever you say when it's spoken in faith and you don't doubt, according to Jesus.

So if you say that you fear dying of a protracted illness, guess what will come on you? Rather, you ought to repent of that and break the power of those seeds with the name of Jesus and instead say you will never, EVER have an illness, because Jesus already took them all for you, and you won't accept one now or ever. Insist that you walk in the covenant benefit from Psalm 103:5 that He renews your youth, and insist on Genesis 6, that your years shall be 120, and insist on Psalm 91, that once you activate that Psalm by doing the 1st 2 verses you shall have the Lord shew you His salvation and satisfy you with a long life.

So it's up to you (Joshua 1:8); where you go from here will be determined by your tongue, just as God determined what the universe was by His tongue (be ye imitators of God therefore as dear children)...

 

[TheCurseoftheRodain]

Yes it is right there in the scriptures.

1 John 3
2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.

Hi Gary, what you have said above is wrong - actually what you are saying here is not consistent with the Scriptures...the way you are putting this is like saying, "Well, maybe we'll be broccoli stalks...or Frisbees...or gas clouds....or rocks...or giant eyeballs with soup bowls and kneecaps glued on...
Looking at the first 2 verses of 1 John 2, it is written, "Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is."

Looking at verse 1 we see that God has called us to be His sons. Now what son is a piece of broccoli when his father is a man? The son always looks like the Father, and the son is after the same kind as the father (ie Men make more men, not anything else (not donkeys, trees, candy)).
Knowing this, Jesus is THE Son of God. Want to see what the Father LOOKS like? Jesus answered His disciples in John 14 saying if you have seen ME, you have SEEN the Father. So we know that God looks just like one of us, like a man, and that therefore WE look like HIM. This is also consistent with Genesis where it is written that Adam was the exact likeness of God, that God looked just like him and Adam looked just like God.
So for us to be called "sons of God" because THE Son of God has MADE us "sons of God" means WE look just like the Father does.
If God didn't want us having this understand He would have worded things differently, but these are the Holy Spirit's own words, therefore they are true.

Combine this with what I already pointed out above: As well, we are each a tripartite being, just as God: a spirit (the hidden inner man of the heart as the Hebrew says) with a soul (mind, will and emotions) that lives in a body. When you leave your body you lose neither your spirit nor your soul. So WHAT is being resurrected? For in 1 Cor 15, God says we shall be resurrected. But every man in his order, 1st Jesus (being the firstfruits) and then the rest of those who believe.

When Jesus resurrected, what was He given? What happened to Him to BE qualified to be called, "resurrected"? Because He did not lose His Spirit or His soul, but only His body had been lost. So Jesus received a NEW GLORIFIED BODY. So God calls being resurrected receiving a new body.

So when you look at verse 2 of 1 John 3, clearly it cannot mean that we don't know whether or not we get a body, because Scripture dictates that we DO get a new, glorified body (* EVEN the rest of verse 2 says "we shall be like Him (that means just like Him, which means if He has a resurrected, glorified body, then so will we!)).

Notice also that the Scripture you are pointing out says "BE", not "HAS", in other words, there is no reference to what we shall have, for you HAVE a resurrected, glorified body, you do not BE a resurrected, glorified body. You HAVE a body, you do not BE a body (in reference to what you possess). This is really quite clear.

Lastly, if you look at verse 2 in the Amplified, you get a much clearer picture of what John has actually said here, "2 Beloved, we are [even here and] now God’s children; it is not yet disclosed (made clear) what we shall be [hereafter], but we know that when He comes and is manifested, we shall [[b]as God’s children] resemble and be like Him, for we shall see Him [c]just as He [really] is.
Notice that John starts off by saying that we ARE now God's children, and then the sentence continues that it is not yet disclosed what we SHALL be hereafter. It is kind of like saying my son is my son, and later (still and always being my son) he shall become a preacher of Jesus, or an evangelist of Jesus, or a prophet of Jesus, etc.
This is all part of knowing what God's Word says and means, and I believe I have clearly and faithfully demonstrated just that on these 2 verses and proven by the Scriptures that ALL Believers SHALL have the same resurrected, glorified body that Jesus has.

And don't forget Acts 3:21 too, that Jesus is coming back to RESTORE all things. To what? To the original condition. That means having a glorified body, the same as the first Adam would have had, which is what Jesus received at His resurrection and is what WE all will receive at OUR resurrection.