Defend Marriage Between a Man and a Woman!

[Comprehender]

The problem with this is that the OP is posting under the assumption that we are a theocracy.

The problem with this response is that you obviously didn't read the OP.
If you had, you'd notice nowhere in it is God, or theocracy mentioned.

 

[Comprehender]

I realize that Jason, but nonetheless, if American's were to truly live up to the claim of being a nation of Christians...

The numbers are changing but around 75% of Americans call themselves Christian.

Honestly, if wholly 75% of this nation were true, reborn, regenerated Holy Spirit indwelled Christians...would there even be an issue of homosexuality being embraced the way it is?

I do believe that if all 75% of us people who call ourselves Christian were to humble ourselves, pray, seek after God and turn from our own wickedness, God would certainly turn His face and begin to bless this nation once more.

Let me switch gears here & speak in behalf of family & friends who have delt with homosexual attraction.
We all have problems - none of us are perfect.
One may be addicted to food, another may be addicted to sex.

I believe that those who suffer from homosexual feelings - often live in hell.
They believe that they shouldn't feel a certain way, but they do!
They feel torn, as to what to do about it.
Society is making this worse, by legalizing unhealthy thinking & behavior.
The fact is that as anyone acts on a feeling, hormones change, & it become more & more physiological.
So, what starts out as primarily environmental (since at birth our brains are only 25% developed)... can become more physically influenced by the consequences of our thoughts, feelings & actions.

Basically, I'm saying, we need to love!
We need to judge right from wrong & stand up for what's right, but not condemn anyone, when we've all got issues of our own.

 

[Comprehender]

Marriage between two adults is no business of the government.

Think!
Who's going to take care of children, when parents are putting their needs above childrens' if there's no "legal" aspects of marriage?

 

[Comprehender]

A liberal government considers the Constitution to be nothing but a speed bump on their path to a secular utopia. It's a living document, remember, that is, the Constitution means nothing more than what liberals want it to mean. The Church - as a competing center of authority - represents a threat to government that has to be brought to heel and turned into a compliant tool, or destroyed.

Liberal government is an exemple of Antonio Gramsci's political thought being played out in real time.


Cultural Marxism - http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/02/cultural_marxism.html

Gramsci posited that because Christianity had been dominant in the West for over 2000 years, not only was it fused with Western civilization, but it had corrupted the workers class. The West would have to be de-Christianized, said Gramsci, by means of a "long march through the culture."

I agree to an extent.
My god isn't Christianity - my god is God.
God is love.
Pure love is the only thing that will never fail, which is why we're commanded to not have any other god before this God. All else will fail!
How we love is hoping & striving for what's best through trial & error (active faith).

When I consider what is best for me, for my family & for society, I consider what has proven to be best, as far as consequences. And that is how I realize what is best for society & the future of society especially (children) is supporting marriage to be legally defined as between a man and a woman.

Many, especially those supporting the gay agenda want their egos pacified over doing what's best, what's most loving in the big picture.
Nobody's perfect & we love by trial & error.
But if we are honestly seeking the truth, we will know it & it will set us free!

 

[CalledToServe]

The problem with this response is that you obviously didn't read the OP.
If you had, you'd notice nowhere in it is God, or theocracy mentioned.

I did read your OP. A lot of the links and articles you posted are from Christians to defend the denial of equal rights to gays. Your entire post reminds me of the newspaper articles I read from the 1950's and prior about how inferior every race was, except for the white race. There were numerous studies etc... to back up their position. The common denominator with those articles and what you posted was that they were upfront about their bias and using the Bible to back them up.

 

[Comprehender]

You are dead wrong here.

1) The governments interest in marriage has nothing to do with race.
In fact, the government encourages and needs all peoples to marry regardless of race, becuase it is cripplingly expensive to the State for kids to be raised outside of wedlock.

Money, (taxes), is the focus not race.

2) The government ALSO has a strong vested interest in promoting marriages between young people who will have babies regardless of sex educatuon, free contraceptives, and shame for illegitimacies and abortions.

Abortions ultimately are an expense to the State but dwarfted bythe cost of Welfare, now tending towards half of all households in the Nation.

Good citizenship arises out of families where the father and mother raise the kids in the same household.
70%of violent crime in America and most all the socual problems of every kind exist becuase of children rised in fatherless homes by Single Mothers.
This crime is both expensive to the State and the community and evidence of poor citizenship.

Agreed & good points.

 

[Comprehender]

It has to do with your comment

"How about this, the US constitution will still protect the church's right to deny marriages as they see fit, and we'll let people call their union whatever they want."


It won't. To liberals, the Constitution is just a bag of magic tricks. They stare into it long enough and it supports whatever they want it to support, and prohibits whatever they want it to prohibit. In the long term, a liberal government will tolerate NO opposing views, and certainly not religious views. Liberal government is statist government, and statist goverment ALWAYS ends with a gun in your face.

Don't bother nit picking about "liberal." General usage of the term is easily understood - even by you, I'm sure - and I have no intention of paying attention to an attempt to run around a mulberry bush.

Those who are pushing an agenda that's proven dangerous, have alterior motives.
The concern for "me" & "my" & "I want what I want now!" takes precedence over doing what is best for society, especially the future of society: children.

 

[Comprehender]

One incredibly useful tool the devil has is getting Christians wasting time on controversial arguments about sinners with each other.

Coz if they are doing that they are not helping anyone who needs it!

What do you think?

Just an observation!

Good observation, Chris.
And I agree that it's counterproductive to argue about petty things, "missing the mark", when there are much "weightier" matters to be delt with. Marriage, the foundation of society - is one of the "weightier" matters. How we define & respect marriage & the essential roles of mothers and fathers - reflects how the future of society (children) will be.

I also believe that the greatest battles are not fought on the battlefield, but are between principles. Everything we have - our bodies, our computers, our homes, jobs, cars - they're temporary. But our spirits - & principles are eternal!

 

[Comprehender]

Our culture has become one of self serving, quick gratification, zero responsibility

True!
The sad part is that many don't realize they are less free when they don't exercise their response-ability.

 

[Comprehender]

to all. being the only soldier here. i inquired on the affect doma and on the chaplain corps. it will not imediately affect them but once they allow gays to marry in the service as each battalion has a chaplain to it and not all of them are of the myriads of faith. ie im a pentacostal, i can fellowship with all believers but.. i wouldnt attend a jewish svc nor a muslim or buddhist one even though these may be my unit chaplain. so to say that no christian chaplain will be forced to marry gays isnt really the case. remember these work for the govt and are under its rules. when and if they do as my chaplian has said he looses his ordainment and is defrocked and he out of the army for that.

Good point.
Others' rights have been denied, in favor of "gay rights" (as mentioned in the OP).
I imagine being in the military (or any situation where you were in close quarters with those of the same sex) would be especially vulnerable.

 

[Comprehender]

Men and women are not the same. More than fixing something,, in a few short years a lot would change...

I am not apposed to civil unions. Civil unions could well be open to all peoples. Now if equality is what is being asked for that should do the job. I believe changing society is the real focus. The desire of a few is set to effect the many.

That sums it up well.

 

[Comprehender]

...I don't think there's ever been a society until now that has tried to treat homosexual unions and heterosexual unions as being somehow equivalent. I'm no anthropologist, so I may be wrong, but I seriously don't think its happened. Speaking as someone who has been involved in homosexual activity, I think its kind of odd that we'd try to pretend that gay relationships are "just like" straight ones. They're not. They're more "open," more fragile, more prone to failure. They lack male/female balance.

Another good point.
It seems to be often the case that in our society that has become so "advanced" has often "missed the mark" in the pursuit of freedom & well-being.

Christ-empowered (I like your name)...
I was reading about the scripture, "Be ye perfect, even as your Father in Heaven is Perfect." I discovered that the Greek word was mistranslated - it was closer to the definition of "whole." So it should be, "Be ye whole, even as your Father (& I'd say also Mother) in heaven are whole."

 

[WIP]

We need to judge right from wrong & stand up for what's right, but not condemn anyone, when we've all got issues of our own.

Let those without sin cast the first stone.

 

[jasoncran]

Good point.
Others' rights have been denied, in favor of "gay rights" (as mentioned in the OP).
I imagine being in the military (or any situation where you were in close quarters with those of the same sex) would be especially vulnerable.

i know all to well. im a victim of assault by a bisexual male. i didnt report him when i should have. im leery being the barracks with gay or bi males.

there is also a rise in acts of sodomy in the army since the lifting of the ban. a coincidence maybe or that its the same thing as with sexual assaults. alcohol and consenting by that with the army females they awake and report the male for attacking her. its my belief that the gay "couple" is going through the same thing.

 

[Comprehender]

I did read your OP. A lot of the links and articles you posted are from Christians to defend the denial of equal rights to gays. Your entire post reminds me of the newspaper articles I read from the 1950's and prior about how inferior every race was, except for the white race. There were numerous studies etc... to back up their position. The common denominator with those articles and what you posted was that they were upfront about their bias and using the Bible to back them up.

No, again you didn't read it.
Please go through & show me where I "used the bible to back" anything up.

 

[Comprehender]

Let those without sin cast the first stone.

Yep.
I need to remember this as much as anyone.
To some, Jesus seemed as if he were casing stones, as he confronted Pharasees & others about how they were "missing the mark."
At times, we all "take the truth to be hard."

The greatest commandments are to love God (& as we love others we love God) & to love others as ourselves.
Although I don't love harmful behavior of homoesexual practices, I do love everyone - I care & want the best for everyone.

 

[Comprehender]

i know all to well. im a victim of assault by a bisexual male. i didnt report him when i should have. im leery being the barracks with gay or bi males.

there is also a rise in acts of sodomy in the army since the lifting of the ban. a coincidence maybe or that its the same thing as with sexual assaults. alcohol and consenting by that with the army females they awake and report the male for attacking her. its my belief that the gay "couple" is going through the same thing.

Good points.

Thanks for sharing this.
It takes bravery & I admire that.
I was raped before but I didn't report it.

If it happened again, I would report it, as I hope you will.

 

[jasoncran]

it wasnt rape in that form. more like well a rubbing like an abusive man does to women before he rapes them.

 

[Comprehender]

Jason,
I'm glad it wasn't as bad as it could've been.
Still, it's something many should be aware of.

 

[jasoncran]

Jason,
I'm glad it wasn't as bad as it could've been.
Still, it's something many should be aware of.

umm, that was in 1992 and well im not in the regular army anymore. pm me though i will open up more on this stuff in private.