Defending Lust

[elijah23]

Jesus told us sex before marriage is a sin. Why do so many people defend lust?

 

[Bonairos]

Perhaps it's not lust they're defending but rather something deeper guised in the defense of lust.



Be blessed, Stay blessed and be Bold!

 

[Jesusfreak97]

Jesus told us sex before marriage is a sin. Why do so many people defend lust?

Yeah! Why is that? My guesses are because for them it feels good and they don't see anything wrong with it. I know many people confuse lust with love. So that may be another reason. I dunno...

 

[Classik]

Yeah! Why is that? My guesses are because for them it feels good and they don't see anything wrong with it. I know many people confuse lust with love. So that may be another reason. I dunno...

To add to this, 'they want it their own way - they want to do whatever seems right to them'.

At the end they try to involve others and form a YES group.

 

[Milk-Drops]

It depends on what you are defining as lust, and before you said its what Jesus said, I'm going to ask that you fully define what you think Jesus considered lust.

If we are talking about 2 people who are deeply infatuated with each other and want to take their relationship in specific directions, it could be that the couple might just want to have some control over their relationship instead of other people controlling it.

If its about just wanting to have sex, then its probably just either an immature, short sited, want.

Or maybe the term lust is so vague and outdated in modern society and understanding that its being challenged because it needs to be challenged.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

"4 Marriage is to be held in honor among all, and the marriage bed is to be undefiled; for fornicators and adulterers God will judge." (Hebrews 13:4 NASB)

I honestly don't see why this has to be challenged or redefined.


People defend fornication and adultery because they have no self control. It's unreasonable to many people to think that the body must come under the demands of commitment and self control. The lusts of the flesh deceive people into redefining or re-qualifying God's standard set in place at creation that marriage is to be honored in all the ways He says that is to be done. The power of the flesh is why people defend lust.

 

[handy]

Lust doesn't need to be redefined... Jesus meant exactly what it sounds like He meant... Lusting is desiring to get something that is forbidden... in the case of Matthew 5, desiring to have sex with a woman other than one's wife.

There is a lot to be said for keeping the marriage bed undefiled and for a couple to exercise self-control with each other prior to their marriage. Learning to set aside sexual desire... even when perfectly normal and healthy... can result in a foundation for marriage that is built far more on respecting the other person's needs rather than fulfilling one's own. Many times in marriage, sex isn't forthcoming... this can be for different reasons, pregnancy, illnesses, separation due to jobs, etc. By learning to exercise self control before marriage, a couple can be more assured that their partner isn't going to be tempted to "go get some" if the partner becomes unable to have sex for a time.. or ever for the rest of the marriage, as in the case of my parents when my father was in a horrific car accident which left him impotent for the 20 years of his life.

 

[Pard]

It's simple, ain't it? It's the same reason people turn to anything in lust. Drinking from the water of the world and not the water of God, like that parable says. People who are in the sin of lust do so because they need to fill themselves, just as everyone does, and they are trying to fill themselves with sex, porn, etc. and not with Jesus. And that can be said of anyone who has one of these addicting, reoccurring sins (sex,drugs,alcohol,etc.).

 

[Milk-Drops]

Am I the only one here that is aware that lust only partially means sexual connotations? A lust is any form of deep want. Lusting after a specific job, item, life, etc.

It sems that my point Was pot on about the definition.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Yes, 'the lust of the eyes' is about more than just sexual desire, but the OP is about sex before marriage.

 

[Milk-Drops]

Yes, 'the lust of the eyes' is about more than just sexual desire, but the OP is about sex before marriage.

Then the OP asked why people defended Lust. Then I addressed several reasons, and the thread turned into a bunch of people ignoring points I put forth to state reason why we can't touch that sacred cow ( a position or any held idea that is refused to be discussed. logically)

 

[Pard]

Then the OP asked why people defended Lust. Then I addressed several reasons, and the thread turned into a bunch of people ignoring points I put forth to state reason why we can't touch that sacred cow ( a position or any held idea that is refused to be discussed. logically)

I did address your topic. Donchya know!

 

[Navigator]

It's really hard to own up to something as serious and probably embarrassing for the one partaking, as sexual sin. It's something that we know to be wrong, but like many things, we tend to see just how far we can go "without getting burned." So much of the defense is actually Christians fooling themselves into thinking what they are doing isn't as bad as they think.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Or maybe the term lust is so vague and outdated in modern society and understanding that its being challenged because it needs to be challenged.

So we can be more clear on what you're saying, which lust, or lusts are you suggesting people are defending in order to challenge the understanding of that lust?

Are you personally saying it needs to be challenged, or just saying that other people who are defending it want it challenged?

 

[Milk-Drops]

So we can be more clear on what you're saying, which lust, or lusts are you suggesting people are defending in order to challenge the understanding of that lust?

Are you personally saying it needs to be challenged, or just saying that other people who are defending it want it challenged?

I'll be more clear. I asked the OP what exactly he/she meant by lust. This way I could see if the OP meant this topic to be more sexual, the general definition of lust, or a more personal opinion on it.

That is why I said that its possible that the definition of lust should probably be challenged based on modern understanding. This way we can see what the authors of the Bible meant with their context of lust mixed with what we consider lust today.

 

[handy]

Sorry Meatballsub, I honestly did think I addressed your points

We don't need to redefine lust... as mentioned before, lust is the desire for anything forbidden...

It's not forbidden to desire a good job, unless it's a specific job held by someone else and one is scheming to undermine the employers confidence in the person holding the job so that one may get it.

It's not forbidden to desire a woman, unless one is not intending to marry that woman, just to be sexually aroused by her.

You said, "Then I addressed several reasons, and the thread turned into a bunch of people ignoring points I put forth to state reason why we can't touch that sacred cow ( a position or any held idea that is refused to be discussed. logically)"

Perhaps I'm not understanding what you are meaning by "sacred cow"... I understood you to mean the Biblical principle that there is to be no sex outside of marriage and that it is wrong for people to lust sexually after other people outside of marriage...

"That is why I said that its possible that the definition of lust should probably be challenged based on modern understanding. This way we can see what the authors of the Bible meant with their context of lust mixed with what we consider lust today."

I still don't think we need to redefine lust, either in the case of sexual desire or in the case of any other kind of lust. Lust, which is very akin to coveting, is the desire for something that is forbidden... there is lust of the flesh, which isn't just sex, but one can put any fleshy desire in there: gluttony, sloth.... and lust of the eyes, which incorporates envy and even bitterness...

In the case of Matthew 5, Jesus is taking a well known commandment, "Thou shall not commit adultery" and expanding it to the heart condition as well, even looking at a woman one is not married to lustfully is to commit adultery.

None of this changes what the Bible teaches... that sex outside of marriage is forbidden and any strong, dwelt upon desire to engage in sex outside of one's own spouse is lust. Even in the case of two people who love each other and want to take "the relationship to the next level" ... the "next level" being sleeping together, not marrying each other.

 

[Milk-Drops]

Sorry Meatballsub, I honestly did think I addressed your points

We don't need to redefine lust... as mentioned before, lust is the desire for anything forbidden...

It's not forbidden to desire a good job, unless it's a specific job held by someone else and one is scheming to undermine the employers confidence in the person holding the job so that one may get it.

It's not forbidden to desire a woman, unless one is not intending to marry that woman, just to be sexually aroused by her.

You said, "Then I addressed several reasons, and the thread turned into a bunch of people ignoring points I put forth to state reason why we can't touch that sacred cow ( a position or any held idea that is refused to be discussed. logically)"

Perhaps I'm not understanding what you are meaning by "sacred cow"... I understood you to mean the Biblical principle that there is to be no sex outside of marriage and that it is wrong for people to lust sexually after other people outside of marriage...

"That is why I said that its possible that the definition of lust should probably be challenged based on modern understanding. This way we can see what the authors of the Bible meant with their context of lust mixed with what we consider lust today."

I still don't think we need to redefine lust, either in the case of sexual desire or in the case of any other kind of lust. Lust, which is very akin to coveting, is the desire for something that is forbidden... there is lust of the flesh, which isn't just sex, but one can put any fleshy desire in there: gluttony, sloth.... and lust of the eyes, which incorporates envy and even bitterness...

In the case of Matthew 5, Jesus is taking a well known commandment, "Thou shall not commit adultery" and expanding it to the heart condition as well, even looking at a woman one is not married to lustfully is to commit adultery.

None of this changes what the Bible teaches... that sex outside of marriage is forbidden and any strong, dwelt upon desire to engage in sex outside of one's own spouse is lust. Even in the case of two people who love each other and want to take "the relationship to the next level" ... the "next level" being sleeping together, not marrying each other.

Sorry, I must have just glanced over your post. Sorry about that.

I can agree with you that Lust is wanting something that is forbidden, but I do think passion is deeply involved as well.

I also understand that Relationships today are vastly different then they were in the time the Bible was penned. Women were a very good resource to be used to trade off for good and land in marriages to others. The value was only warranted if the girl was a virgin though. So the no sex before marriage makes sense in that context. In modern society where we don't use women as a bartering tool, it no longer makes sense. Though this is definitely a discussion for another topic.

 

[reba]

It depends on what you are defining as lust, and before you said its what Jesus said, I'm going to ask that you fully define what you think Jesus considered lust.

If we are talking about 2 people who are deeply infatuated with each other and want to take their relationship in specific directions, it could be that the couple might just want to have some control over their relationship instead of other people controlling it.

If its about just wanting to have sex, then its probably just either an immature, short sited, want.

Or maybe the term lust is so vague and outdated in modern society and understanding that its being challenged because it needs to be challenged.

And the meaning of is is?

 

[Jesusfreak97]

Sorry, I must have just glanced over your post. Sorry about that.

I can agree with you that Lust is wanting something that is forbidden, but I do think passion is deeply involved as well.

I also understand that Relationships today are vastly different then they were in the time the Bible was penned. Women were a very good resource to be used to trade off for good and land in marriages to others. The value was only warranted if the girl was a virgin though. So the no sex before marriage makes sense in that context. In modern society where we don't use women as a bartering tool, it no longer makes sense. Though this is definitely a discussion for another topic.

AAAHHHHHH!!! NO NO NO! Sex is a very empotional thing! It goes WAY beyond the physical! When two people have sexual relations they are in their most vunerable state. I do not want to be at my most vunerable with a guy who is just going to up and leave the next day, week, month or even year. Plus people who have multiple parteners are at more risk of getting STD's! And for women condems are not always effective! So you turn to birth control. Here's a bit from a paper I wrote on birth control:

The other thing is contrast to popular opinion contraceptives actually do more harm than good. Birth control pills uses two artificial hormones called estrogens and progestins. Their job is to inhibit ovulation and sperm transport. It does this by changing the lining of the inside of a woman’s uterus so that if the woman does conceive she may have an early abortion. ffice:office" /><O:p></O:p>
Another medical reason why the pill is not so good is because it can increase a woman’s chance of breast cancer by 40% if she takes it before she has her first baby. Some women who stop taking the pill lose their fertility for about a year. At least three studies have noted that the AIDS virus is transmitted easier to women who are taking birth control if her partner has the HIV virus.<O:p></O:p>

I am sorry but sex before marriage is NOT a good thing. No matter how you look at it, it's just not. Unfortunatly our world says "yay sex" and "sex=love" but that is NOT the case.
Sex is a beautiful wonderful thing when done between and man and wife but if done before it can really hurt people. I'm sorry for the rant but sex is not just a oh well oh hum thing. It's big and there is no such thing as casual sex. I mean come on really? So there is my rant. Again I am sorry that I ranted. Ok now we can get back to the topic.

 

[Milk-Drops]

And the meaning of is is?

Still waiting for the OP to answer.