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Joe Domingo

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DNA - it is the ultimate proof of one's lineage. I plan to take a full test soon to get my paternal and maternal markers. I would at least like to know where my past points to.

Scientist were able to determine King Tut's family because they had so many mummies to work with ....

If you wanted to find out if you descend from a specific person, a sample from that person must be taken.

If there are no remains available for a specific person, you will not be able to determine if you descend from him/her.

I wanted to know if anyone can prove that they descend from Abraham, Isaac and Jacob?

If and I say if no one can prove their lineage back to the Patriarchs, then what does that say about God's plan for Israel?
 
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On a somewhat related note, I have always been interested in researching my family history, as I am a student of history, I just have never been able to justify having to pay for services like ancestry.com. I guess this is a project for much later in life when I actually have something called "disposable income."
 
It's funny how you guys choose to answer so nonchalant ...

but I bet everyone of you who answered like that believe in a "chosen" people right? I bet you believe that an Orthodox Jew or people who say they are Jews are Jews right? You simply accept it at face value right?

Even though there is no possible way for them to actually prove there lineage.

Oh I'm going somewhere with this and it has nothing whatsoever to do with being racist or anti-semetic.

In fact, one of you used a KEY word in your response ... "spiritual".

But I'm hoping there will be more interesting dialogue then the vague answers I have received thus far.

Just remember - YOUR savior Jesus Christ was NOT politically correct. So if you are that kind of person - I strongly recommend you give this thread a pass, it is not for you.
 
In regard to being a "jew" I consider there are at least two groups that can claim this title, but one is as an ethnic group, the other as a spiritual (religious) group. And they may, or many not, be one and the same. Considering there are people who have been known to have "converted" to judiasm, while not actually being of that ethnic group. Quite honestly it would be exceedingly difficult to "prove" someone is a descendant of Abraham, much less on of the actual tribal patriarchs. I am sure there has been enough intermarrying between ethnic groups that would make this all but impossible, since for hundreds of years the descendants of the twelve tribes have been scattered all over the globe.
 
Joe said
Just remember - YOUR savior Jesus Christ was NOT politically correct. So if you are that kind of person - I strongly recommend you give this thread a pass, it is not for you.
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You make it sound like OUR saviour isn't YOUR saviour..

tob
 
Joe Domingo said:
but I bet everyone of you who answered like that believe in a "chosen" people right? I bet you believe that an Orthodox Jew or people who say they are Jews are Jews right? You simply accept it at face value right?
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I am of the belief that God knows who they are & if He's capable of speaking our very DNA into existence, then He's quite capable of determining who is of what lineage.

I have no interest in knowing if I am directly related to Peter, Paul or Mary. They will all be my family in a few years anyway. :)
 
Mizzy said:
Joe Domingo said:
but I bet everyone of you who answered like that believe in a "chosen" people right? I bet you believe that an Orthodox Jew or people who say they are Jews are Jews right? You simply accept it at face value right?
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I am of the belief that God knows who they are & if He's capable of speaking our very DNA into existence, then He's quite capable of determining who is of what lineage.

I have no interest in knowing if I am directly related to Peter, Paul or Mary. They will all be my family in a few years anyway. :)
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Mizzy:

Me neither.

John 1.13 makes the point of saying in any case that blessing in Christ has absolutely nothing now to do with who one's fleshly ancestors happen to have been. It's all of grace.

Blessings.
 
It would be awesome to know where my genes come from, but it's not totally important.

As for the Jews, I suppose God knows the lineage even without testing their DNA?
And while there is no sample of Abraham, Isaac or Jacob, you can still compare DNA markers of Jews versus non Jews. In a group of shared ancestry individuals are closer related to another than to individuals of other groups or individuals of all groups. So if you test the DNA of all of mankind you'll notice there's statistical clusters of people who's DNA is more similar to another than the group of "humans in general" are to another. So you could conclude that those clusters of people have a common ancestry.

It's a bit like testing you and your siblings. They will see that you are siblings even without testing your parents.
 
Joe, you tell me. Does God declare that He knows His people?

Joe Domingo said:
I bet everyone of you who answered like that believe in a "chosen" people right? I bet you believe that an Orthodox Jew or people who say they are Jews are Jews right? You simply accept it at face value right?
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farouk said:
Mizzy:

Me neither.

John 1.13 makes the point of saying in any case that blessing in Christ has absolutely nothing now to do with who one's fleshly ancestors happen to have been. It's all of grace.

Blessings.
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:amen
 
Well I like everybody's responses because you all directly or indirectly acknowledge that there is no way to prove you descend from the Patriarchs.

And yes, I agree 100% that our Creator and our savior knows everyone's DNA. But that's just it, only HE knows.

So then we have this:
Joe, you tell me. Does God declare that He knows His people?
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Well actually yes, he declares it and knows his people.


OH but wait, I thought I was his people, wait, I thought you was his people...

Are you getting my drift yet?
 
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turnorburn said:
What a shock if/when you find Nimrod in there.. :o

tob
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What's the story behind Nimrod? All the Bible says is that he was a great warrior...

And for the original post, I think Romans 11 may be helpful.
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I'm quite familiar with Romans 11. Now, how is it helpful? My subject is DNA. I'm making a point about Romans 11 by the way.

See - in those days the physical nation of Judah was still traceable to Patriarchs. The Samaritans which were mixed blood has lost their lineage. The Galileans were not far behind either but they had a little pedigree left. But after 70 ad and 167 ad the Jews of Judah met the same fate the Israelites did.

Today, you simply cannot trace back to any Patriarch. So what I am left with is someone's Word that they are a Jew. I am not taking anyone's word, no way, no how. Before I call someone on this Earth God's chosen people in a physical sense, I will need proof.

Now I will most gladly accept your claim to be God's people if you are talking spirit.

That's my drift.
 
Concerning Nimrod..

Josephus wrote:

"Now it was Nimrod who excited them to such an affront and contempt of God. He was the grandson of Ham, the son of Noah, a bold man, and of great strength of hand. He persuaded them not to ascribe it to God, as if it were through his means they were happy, but to believe that it was their own courage which procured that happiness. He also gradually changed the government into tyranny, seeing no other way of turning men from the fear of God, but to bring them into a constant dependence on his power. He also said he would be revenged on God, if he should have a mind to drown the world again; for that he would build a tower too high for the waters to reach. And that he would avenge himself on God for destroying their forefathers.

Now the multitude were very ready to follow the determination of Nimrod, and to esteem it a piece of cowardice to submit to God; and they built a tower, neither sparing any pains, nor being in any degree negligent about the work: and, by reason of the multitude of hands employed in it, it grew very high, sooner than any one could expect; but the thickness of it was so great, and it was so strongly built, that thereby its great height seemed, upon the view, to be less than it really was. It was built of burnt brick, cemented together with mortar, made of bitumen, that it might not be liable to admit water. When God saw that they acted so madly, he did not resolve to destroy them utterly, since they were not grown wiser by the destruction of the former sinners; but he caused a tumult among them, by producing in them diverse languages, and causing that, through the multitude of those languages, they should not be able to understand one another. The place wherein they built the tower is now called Babylon, because of the confusion of that language which they readily understood before; for the Hebrews mean by the word Babel, confusion…"

:twocents

tob

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimrod
 
Joe Domingo said:
Are you getting my drift yet?
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No. I'm not. It seems that you are stating the obvious: that Faith is involved.

Joe Domingo said:
OH but wait, I thought I was his people, wait, I thought you was his people...
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It also seems that you suggest that you need more than faith:

Joe Domingo said:
Before I call someone on this Earth God's chosen people in a physical sense, I will need proof.
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May I remind you that we do not have the original manuscripts and writings of the Apostles? Without Faith (trust in God) none are saved.
 
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