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Destruction of America and rapture

Brother Mike said:
I have already destroyed your Post trib doctrine over and over, no need to do that here. :)
However, I have to change that to pre-wrath.

I am looking for a civil war in the U.S before we get to the events in revelation.
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I don't think any of us should be trying to destroy one another and we certainly shouldn't be looking forward to war. I think this is all the more reason why America will be destroyed. It's supposed to be "God's country", but instead they champion war and the destruction of those who disagree with them.
 
reba said:
All those words and nope the scriptures do not say a one guy antichrist... we assume ..conjecture ...think ..believe... guess .. speculate...reckon but the Scriptures do not say there will be A antichrist... the one dude..
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Hi Reba.
You are right that the scriptures do not specifically say "Anti-Christ" (i.e. singular), but we're not supposed to be judging based on the letter of the law but rather the spirit. "Anti-christ" isn't just a title. It represents a behavior. Anyone can be anti-christ, but there will be one person who will lead that movement in the end time. He is commonly referred to as "THE" Anti-Christ, not because he is the only one, but because he will be the leader; the one who heads up the new world government; the one who organizes and authorizes persecution against the saints; the one who causes the world to take the Mark, the one who turns on the prostitute (America) and destroys her with fire "in one hour"; the one who blasphemes the name of God; the one who sets himself up as God etc.

Regardless of what we may or may not call him, do you believe that such a person will exist at some point?
 
reba said:
we assume ..conjecture ...think ..believe... guess .. speculate...reckon
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Also, while it's true that none of us has complete understanding of all truth, in that we must think and speculate about what prophecy means, I don't think it's accurate the way you lump in assumptions with thinking, speculating, and believing. I think there is a difference in emphasis. It's true that we sometimes make assumptions, but some of us do so on the understanding that they are assumptions while some do so on the understanding that their assumptions are fact. When reasoning and considering it's good to be open to new possibilities and understanding.

On the one hand you have people who seem to be willing to believe just about any ridiculous theory while on the other you get people who can't believe anything other than what they already believe. We need a flexibility which is able to slip and slide between those two extremes according to wisdom and sincerity. I believe that is what I am trying to do with things like the destruction of America, the Anti-Christ, the Mark, etc.
 
Jim Parker said:
Instead of making videos, try feeding the homeless; getting them bottles of water, clean socks, toilet articles, etc.
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Or, to paraphrase, "Instead of posting thousands of times on Christian Forums, try feeding the homeless; getting them bottles of water, clean socks, toilet articles, etc." If there is a distinction between "making videos" and "authoring posts," it seems to me a distinction without a difference. Or is the distinction between "making videos with which I happen to disagree" and "authoring posts full of my sound wisdom"?
 
Brother Mike said:
America is in fact the Mother whore system. We have to go back to the beast system of deception and we lead the whole thing. The surprising thing is, Christians just don't understand how corrupt the world is. We are the only civilians in the beast system that are still armed, they are trying to fix that situation. All news media is controled by the Mesonic Order, this Order extends to several countries most who signed the arctic treaty including North Korea.
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Just some things I have observed with the statue in Daniel and the United States. In the times of the empires of Persia, Syria, Greece and Rome, these nations were not an accumulation of different nations to make up one nation. While they had a few nationalities living in their nations, the purity of the nations majority were native to that nation. It was Rome that began to accumulate different nations they conquered to become Romans. Different nations becoming one nationality over a difference of governments, yet also under Roman law. When you get to the feet of the statue, it is iron mixed with brittle clay. they two were not compatible. One would not mix homogeneously with the other. if you look at the United States (which is an entity of Rome) has become incompatible with the different refugees that are causing our nation to NOT become a homogeneous society or nation. There is more, but this is something I have been studying, of which gives opportunity for the beast that comes out of the sea of chaos to organize a kingdom under his authority...Just a thought.
 
Runner said:
Or, to paraphrase, "Instead of posting thousands of times on Christian Forums, try feeding the homeless; getting them bottles of water, clean socks, toilet articles, etc." If there is a distinction between "making videos" and "authoring posts," it seems to me a distinction without a difference. Or is the distinction between "making videos with which I happen to disagree" and "authoring posts full of my sound wisdom"?
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Exactly. Which is why I suggested we (at least try to) do both.
 
reba said:
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Not in the Scriptures ...
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Depends on what you mean by "in the scriptures". To me, the scriptures are a lot more than just words on paper. I see concepts, ideologies, philosophies, values and morals which can't be tested or proved through words alone. According to your logic, there'd be a lot of people out there justifying pornography. You could say, "but pornography is the result of fornication and adultery; words which clearly are in the bible" but they'd respond with "not in scripture".
 
Douglas Summers said:
Just some things I have observed with the statue in Daniel and the United States. In the times of the empires of Persia, Syria, Greece and Rome, these nations were not an accumulation of different nations to make up one nation. While they had a few nationalities living in their nations, the purity of the nations majority were native to that nation. It was Rome that began to accumulate different nations they conquered to become Romans. Different nations becoming one nationality over a difference of governments, yet also under Roman law. When you get to the feet of the statue, it is iron mixed with brittle clay. they two were not compatible. One would not mix homogeneously with the other. if you look at the United States (which is an entity of Rome) has become incompatible with the different refugees that are causing our nation to NOT become a homogeneous society or nation. There is more, but this is something I have been studying, of which gives opportunity for the beast that comes out of the sea of chaos to organize a kingdom under his authority...Just a thought.
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I do agree with the fact or idea, that The roman empire has spread to the nations of the world.

Their emblem: The Eagle
America's Emblem: The Eagle


Here's an interesting clip about this subject.




JLB
 
JLB said:
I do agree with the fact or idea, that The roman empire has spread to the nations of the world.

Their emblem: The Eagle
America's Emblem: The Eagle


Here's an interesting clip about this subject.




JLB
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Look at the Roman monuments behind the podium. The Senate is a product of Roman government. Rome was never destroyed. it was broken up into smaller provinces. Maybe the USA is the beast that was wounded? Rome as it started out was a Republic just like the USA. As a republic it's citizens had the power over it's government. Somewhere in time the republic became a democracy and the power switched from the citizens to a ruling class over them. Sounds vaguely familiar. This can be studied on line. Also, many of the sculptures on the Washington buildings are of Roman era architecture along with Latin subscript. Something to consider in studying Revelation.
 
The "whole world" will fall under the "trial of temptation" that is in store at "thee end."

Not just America.

Rev. 3:
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

And, there is a consumption that is set upon the whole world and upon all lands:

Isaiah 10:23
For the Lord God of hosts shall make a consumption, even determined, in the midst of all the land.

Isaiah 28:22
Now therefore be ye not mockers, lest your bands be made strong: for I have heard from the Lord God of hosts a consumption, even determined upon the whole earth.
 
Endtime_Survivors said:
Depends on what you mean by "in the scriptures". To me, the scriptures are a lot more than just words on paper. I see concepts, ideologies, philosophies, values and morals which can't be tested or proved through words alone. According to your logic, there'd be a lot of people out there justifying pornography. You could say, "but pornography is the result of fornication and adultery; words which clearly are in the bible" but they'd respond with "not in scripture".
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Pornography has been around for quite awhile. Matt. 5:28.
 
Douglas Summers said:
Just some things I have observed with the statue in Daniel and the United States. In the times of the empires of Persia, Syria, Greece and Rome, these nations were not an accumulation of different nations to make up one nation. While they had a few nationalities living in their nations, the purity of the nations majority were native to that nation. It was Rome that began to accumulate different nations they conquered to become Romans. Different nations becoming one nationality over a difference of governments, yet also under Roman law. When you get to the feet of the statue, it is iron mixed with brittle clay. they two were not compatible. One would not mix homogeneously with the other. if you look at the United States (which is an entity of Rome) has become incompatible with the different refugees that are causing our nation to NOT become a homogeneous society or nation. There is more, but this is something I have been studying, of which gives opportunity for the beast that comes out of the sea of chaos to organize a kingdom under his authority...Just a thought.
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I know, Rome is a bad influence.
 
Endtime_Survivors said:
I don't think any of us should be trying to destroy one another and we certainly shouldn't be looking forward to war. I think this is all the more reason why America will be destroyed. It's supposed to be "God's country", but instead they champion war and the destruction of those who disagree with them.
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America has long given up it's God's country status. There is no country not worthy of being destroyed.
 
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