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Did Cain marry his Sister?
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inhopeofglory
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Yes he did. The law against marrying a close relative wasn't given until Moses, many centuries later. Bear in mind that we are ALL related... one always marries a (albeit distant) relative. 
http://www.answersingenesis.org/article ... cains-wife
http://www.answersingenesis.org/article ... cains-wife
IF Cain was a literal person, . . . he married a woman from another land.
If God never changes, . . . and states that incest is an abomination at ONE point in history, then it is an abomination in ANY time in history. IF Adam and Eve were literal people, AND the only others were their children, in order to increase people, God would have only given them an abomination as a means.
Remember, it was called an "abomination", not "a bad idea because of genetics".
If God never changes, . . . and states that incest is an abomination at ONE point in history, then it is an abomination in ANY time in history. IF Adam and Eve were literal people, AND the only others were their children, in order to increase people, God would have only given them an abomination as a means.
Remember, it was called an "abomination", not "a bad idea because of genetics".
I would agree with "inhopeofGlory." The issue is what is sin? I would define sin as not obeying the sovereign Lord and God of the universe. God can change his commands, but that does not change the sovereignty by which he rules.Orion said:
***Orion, I might be reading into your complaints, but I suspect that sovereignty is the real issue between you and God. God is sovereign, even over what is sin, and you don't like that?
As for "bad genetics" ... I am not a geneticist and knew very little about these things. Yet, would not Adam have had the complete range of genetics within his chromosomes. Genes would not have been isolated, and procreation with sisters at that point in history would not be like it is today. We would have more limited genetics and so would have terrible genetic issues with the limitation in genetics is sibling procreation. Eww, who wants to marry their sister anyway! Drats on Cain and Abel.
Vic C.
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Ah, that's the beauty of a decree. It is used to create a rule or law when ones didn't exist. So it would be inaccurate to say it is an abomination in any point in history. God is sovereign, He can do that, you know. ;)Orion said:
Was eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil wrong before God proclaimed it to be wrong?
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follower of Christ
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The law of Moses did not yet exist during Cains lifetime.
jenkayben said:
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Posted by permission of the author
Cain's Wife
By Allen Young
One of the most often repeated questions about the origin of things is "where did Cain get his wife". The answer is quite simple, she was his sister, but quite removed.
We need to remember that Adam lived nine centuries; 930 years to be exact. To put that into perspective, a man who died this year at the age of 930 would have been born in 1077 A.D. And one might presume that long life means healthy life.
We're not sure how long Eve was healthy enough to bear children, but Scripture states she had a son to replace Abel who was killed by Cain and named him Seth when Adam was 130, and afterwards had other sons and daughters. Scripture then states when Seth was 105 he became the father of Enosh. We cannot say with certainty Enosh was Seth's first child, but it is likely he was Seth's first son. However, if he was Seth's first child then Adam at the age of 235 had a daughter old enough to marry Seth and bear children. And if a daughter was available for Seth, she was certainly available first for Cain.
Though punished for his sin, Cain was assured by God he would not be slain by another. By this only two possibilities can be implied. Either there were at this point other unmentioned created humans on earth, or during the course of his life Cain would not be avenged by siblings for the slaying of Abel. It is unlikely the former is true given there is no hint of corroboration in scripture. Thus, the latter must be the case. And if Cain is forbidden to be slain by another then he must have died naturally, and probably very old, as Adam lived 930 years, and Cain's younger brother Seth lived 912 years, and Seth's son Enosh lived 905.
If Cain was born one year after Adam was created, then he was 129 when Seth was born, as the scriptures state Adam was 130 when Seth was born. If Eve bore a daughter the year after Seth and she is the future wife of Cain at 15-20 years of age, then Cain is still very young at age 149 compared to a potential lifespan of 900 years, when he marries.
But if Cain waits to marry a daughter of Seth, which is possible but unlikely, and Seth's daughter is born the year after his first son, and marries Cain when she is 20 years old, then Cain is still only 255 years old.
If he waits like Noah until he's 500 years old to have kids, and marries at that time, then he has the pick of Adam's, Seth's, Enosh's, Kenan's, Mahalalel's, or Jared's daughters, or any of their descendents' daughters to marry.
To put it all into perspective, consider the following. If there are no skips in the Biblical record of generations between Adam and Noah, then the flood occurred 1706 years after Adam was created, and Adam saw Noah's dad Lamech live to be 6 years old! Lamech was Adam's great, great, great, great, great, great grandson.
Allen Young
(posted by permission)
Cain's Wife
By Allen Young
One of the most often repeated questions about the origin of things is "where did Cain get his wife". The answer is quite simple, she was his sister, but quite removed.
We need to remember that Adam lived nine centuries; 930 years to be exact. To put that into perspective, a man who died this year at the age of 930 would have been born in 1077 A.D. And one might presume that long life means healthy life.
We're not sure how long Eve was healthy enough to bear children, but Scripture states she had a son to replace Abel who was killed by Cain and named him Seth when Adam was 130, and afterwards had other sons and daughters. Scripture then states when Seth was 105 he became the father of Enosh. We cannot say with certainty Enosh was Seth's first child, but it is likely he was Seth's first son. However, if he was Seth's first child then Adam at the age of 235 had a daughter old enough to marry Seth and bear children. And if a daughter was available for Seth, she was certainly available first for Cain.
Though punished for his sin, Cain was assured by God he would not be slain by another. By this only two possibilities can be implied. Either there were at this point other unmentioned created humans on earth, or during the course of his life Cain would not be avenged by siblings for the slaying of Abel. It is unlikely the former is true given there is no hint of corroboration in scripture. Thus, the latter must be the case. And if Cain is forbidden to be slain by another then he must have died naturally, and probably very old, as Adam lived 930 years, and Cain's younger brother Seth lived 912 years, and Seth's son Enosh lived 905.
If Cain was born one year after Adam was created, then he was 129 when Seth was born, as the scriptures state Adam was 130 when Seth was born. If Eve bore a daughter the year after Seth and she is the future wife of Cain at 15-20 years of age, then Cain is still very young at age 149 compared to a potential lifespan of 900 years, when he marries.
But if Cain waits to marry a daughter of Seth, which is possible but unlikely, and Seth's daughter is born the year after his first son, and marries Cain when she is 20 years old, then Cain is still only 255 years old.
If he waits like Noah until he's 500 years old to have kids, and marries at that time, then he has the pick of Adam's, Seth's, Enosh's, Kenan's, Mahalalel's, or Jared's daughters, or any of their descendents' daughters to marry.
To put it all into perspective, consider the following. If there are no skips in the Biblical record of generations between Adam and Noah, then the flood occurred 1706 years after Adam was created, and Adam saw Noah's dad Lamech live to be 6 years old! Lamech was Adam's great, great, great, great, great, great grandson.
Allen Young
(posted by permission)
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Dave Slayer
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What is the Biblical proof that Cain was not a real person? Would it be safe to say Abraham was not a real person? Was Job a real person?
Did someone say that Cain wasn't a real person?
The trouble with Cain marrying his sister is that the Bible states that incest is immoral. If morality is objective, as Christians believe it is, then incest is wrong in all places, at all times, for everyone.
The trouble with Cain marrying his sister is that the Bible states that incest is immoral. If morality is objective, as Christians believe it is, then incest is wrong in all places, at all times, for everyone.
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Dave Slayer
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Free said:
A few posts ago, Orion said this:
inhopeofglory
Member
Hang on a minute. Why is marrying one's close relative immoral?Free said:
As Christians we would answer, "Because God says so," would we not? By what other way can we make a moral judgement? He is the One by whom we judge whether something is "immoral" or not.
Well, He didn't "say so" until He gave the Law to Moses... centuries after Cain. So there is no reason not to believe that Cain married his sister. Abraham married Sarai (Sarah), his half-sister.
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Dave Slayer
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"Who was Cain's wife? Was Cain's wife his sister?"
Source: http://www.gotquestions.org/Cains-wife.html
The Bible does not specifically say who Cain’s wife was. The only possible answer was that Cain's wife was his sister or niece or great-niece, etc. The Bible does not say how old Cain was when he killed Abel (Genesis 4:8). Since they were both farmers, they were likely both full-grown adults, possibly with families of their own. Adam and Eve surely had given birth to more children than just Cain and Abel at the time Abel was killed. They definitely had many more children later (Genesis 5:4). The fact that Cain was scared for his own life after he killed Abel (Genesis 4:14) indicates that there were likely many other children and perhaps even grandchildren of Adam and Eve already living at that time. Cain's wife (Genesis 4:17) was a daughter or granddaughter of Adam and Eve.
Since Adam and Eve were the first (and only) human beings, their children would have no other choice than to intermarry. God did not forbid inter-family marriage until much later when there were enough people to make intermarriage unnecessary (Leviticus 18:6-18). The reason that incest today often results in genetic abnormalities is that when two people of similar genetics (i.e., a brother and sister) have children together, there is a high risk of their recessive characteristics becoming dominant.
When people from different families have children, it is highly unlikely that both parents will carry the same recessive traits. The human genetic code has become increasingly “polluted†over the centuries as genetic defects are multiplied, amplified, and passed down from generation to generation. Adam and Eve did not have any genetic defects, and that enabled them and the first few generations of their descendants to have a far greater quality of health than we do now. Adam and Eve’s children had few, if any, genetic defects. As a result, it was safe for them to intermarry.
Source: http://www.gotquestions.org/Cains-wife.html
The Bible does not specifically say who Cain’s wife was. The only possible answer was that Cain's wife was his sister or niece or great-niece, etc. The Bible does not say how old Cain was when he killed Abel (Genesis 4:8). Since they were both farmers, they were likely both full-grown adults, possibly with families of their own. Adam and Eve surely had given birth to more children than just Cain and Abel at the time Abel was killed. They definitely had many more children later (Genesis 5:4). The fact that Cain was scared for his own life after he killed Abel (Genesis 4:14) indicates that there were likely many other children and perhaps even grandchildren of Adam and Eve already living at that time. Cain's wife (Genesis 4:17) was a daughter or granddaughter of Adam and Eve.
Since Adam and Eve were the first (and only) human beings, their children would have no other choice than to intermarry. God did not forbid inter-family marriage until much later when there were enough people to make intermarriage unnecessary (Leviticus 18:6-18). The reason that incest today often results in genetic abnormalities is that when two people of similar genetics (i.e., a brother and sister) have children together, there is a high risk of their recessive characteristics becoming dominant.
When people from different families have children, it is highly unlikely that both parents will carry the same recessive traits. The human genetic code has become increasingly “polluted†over the centuries as genetic defects are multiplied, amplified, and passed down from generation to generation. Adam and Eve did not have any genetic defects, and that enabled them and the first few generations of their descendants to have a far greater quality of health than we do now. Adam and Eve’s children had few, if any, genetic defects. As a result, it was safe for them to intermarry.
But is it based on what he says or is it based on who he is and he just says what should be obvious?inhopeofglory said:
So were rape, murder, coveting, homosexuality, sacrificing children or bestiality wrong only after God said they were wrong?inhopeofglory said:
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Dave Slayer
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If incest was wrong at the time of Cain and Abel, I wonder what court they would have went to? Maybe they called the police or ghostbusters.
jenkayben said:
Adam and Eve were the first in the line to Christ...they were not the first people on earth.
Geneis 4:16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden. And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.
Did he meet his wife before or after leaving "the presence of the Lord?" I think after.
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Dave Slayer
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Free said:
You are forcing the morality of later times with the morality of the beginning times. I find that to be wrong. If you have a problem with it, you need to take it up with God and not us. The first people would have had no choice but to marry within the family. If it was wrong then I guess God allowed it still. The gentetic arguments are good, in my opinion. But no matter what I think, it won't change your mind. No matter what others think, it won't change your mind. Personally, I don't really care one way or the other if they intermarried within the family back then. Like I said, if you don't like it, take it up with God.
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Dave Slayer
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whirlwind said:
Scriptural proof please? If they weren't the first humans on earth, then tell me where in scripture it shows humans existing before them.