Did Cain marry his Sister?

[NIGHTMARE]

We don't need to get into all that just yet... But since you prefer textual criticism over dogma for interpreting Gen 1 and 2, just unravel the can of worms presented in my last post and we can go from there if your willing.

Clearly, according to the simple reading of Genesis 2, Adam was created before day three if we cross reference the days with Gen 1 :D

Grace and Peace.

Jeff

Genesis 1:11 "And God said, "Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth:" and it was so."

Genesis 1:12 "And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good."

Genesis 2:5 "And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground."

This is closer to proving me right then you,,,,,,In Gen 1:11-12 God made grass,,,herb yielding seed,,,fruit trees,,,notice there is no mention of plants........hmmmmmmmm

What is clear is that God needed a gardener thats why it had not rained and thats why the plants were not in the earth,,,plants grow wildly thus you need someone to tend to these dutys......

 

[NIGHTMARE]

I wanna help! Lol. ;) :D

Gen 2:8 And Jehovah God planted a garden eastward, in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
Gen 2:9 And out of the ground made Jehovah God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

God's gardens are people...
Isa 5:7 For the garden of Jehovah of hosts is the house of Israel, and the men of Judah his pleasant plant:

Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 12:33 Either make the tree good, and its fruit good; or make the tree corrupt, and its fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by its fruit.


I believe Genesis 2:9 is the first time "trees" are used to symbolize people in the Bible. All of the family "trees" sprang from there if you will. ;) :D

Indeed Researcher,,,,until people understand the beautiful trees are used in the word they just wont get alot of things......there is alot of things here hiding under the leaves (so to speak) I wanna bring them out but lets just see how it goes....

 

[inhopeofglory]

I believe Genesis 2:9 is the first time "trees" are used to symbolize people in the Bible.

What about the tree of life? Was that a person? It's the same verse you referenced (Gen 2:9), the very next phrase. What about the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, of whose fruit Adam was commanded not to eat? Was that an actual tree?

 

[researcher]

I believe Genesis 2:9 is the first time "trees" are used to symbolize people in the Bible.

What about the tree of life? Was that a person? It's the same verse you referenced (Gen 2:9), the very next phrase. What about the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, of whose fruit Adam was commanded not to eat? Was that an actual tree?

I think many people believe that the Tree of Life was pre-incarnate Jesus. His spirit if you will.

Joh 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches:

Off the top of my head I would say that Jesus and some of the angels were there on earth in the beginning.
Which could be how we get some ancient civilizations writing about "gods" being on earth and people worshiping them.

Also notice, in the end, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is nowhere to be found. Only the Tree of Life. Where did the tree of the knowledge go? Burned up? Lake of fire? :o Who knows. ;) :D

 

[researcher]

I wanna help! Lol. ;) :D

Gen 2:8 And Jehovah God planted a garden eastward, in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
Gen 2:9 And out of the ground made Jehovah God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

God's gardens are people...
Isa 5:7 For the garden of Jehovah of hosts is the house of Israel, and the men of Judah his pleasant plant:

Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 12:33 Either make the tree good, and its fruit good; or make the tree corrupt, and its fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by its fruit.


I believe Genesis 2:9 is the first time "trees" are used to symbolize people in the Bible. All of the family "trees" sprang from there if you will. ;) :D

Indeed Researcher,,,,until people understand the beautiful trees are used in the word they just wont get alot of things......there is alot of things here hiding under the leaves (so to speak) I wanna bring them out but lets just see how it goes....

Carry on, NM. I'll be in San Francisco for a work meeting the next three days. I'll stop back afterwards. ;) :D

 

[NIGHTMARE]

I believe Genesis 2:9 is the first time "trees" are used to symbolize people in the Bible.

What about the tree of life? Was that a person? It's the same verse you referenced (Gen 2:9), the very next phrase. What about the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, of whose fruit Adam was commanded not to eat? Was that an actual tree?

Ok the only think person that can give life is Christ so if your thinking there is a magical tree out there,,,,, dont,,,, Christ is the tree of life......Only threw Him can anyone recieve life to believe anything else is a load of *edited by staff*.

ummmm I will tell you this there are basically 3 words for trees....

1--"ets, ates; from # 6095, stock tree, timber, wood." It is a common tree.

2--"Atsah, aw-tsaw, prime root, prop. to fasten (or make firm), i.e., to close (the eyes): shut." Under # 6095 Hebrew for trees in the garden) page 90 of Strong's Hebrew dictionary, the other reference to this is # 6096.

3--"Atseh, aw-tseh, from 6095; the spine, (as giving firmness to the body):-backbone."

Now a regular tree lika a apple tree or a orange tree is "ets" a regular ole tree.....But the trees in the Garden are not "ets" they are called Atseh, aw-tseh.....

this is why the word says :::

Ezekiel 31:9 "I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him."

 

[stovebolts]

Woah there buddy, slow down just a tad.

For starters,

Only threw Him can anyone recieve life to believe anything else is a load of *edited*

I don't think Rick or Vic would approve of that type of language in their forum... You may want to acquaint yourself with the TOS...

Please show the verse that indicates the man Adam was created before day 3?????

I can't, and that's my point... and I think you missed it.
Now then it's your turn. Show me where Adam was 'formed" after the 7th day. You can't.

What you can do, is use Genesis 1 as a reference point....

This is closer to proving me right then you,,,,,,In Gen 1:11-12 God made grass,,,herb yielding seed,,,fruit trees,,,notice there is no mention of plants........hmmmmmmmm

Last I checked, grass, herb yielding seed,,, and yes, even fruit trees are considered plants :rolling

BTW, God created all them "Plants" on the 3rd day, that is, ... according to Gen 1 ;)

Now then, what day was Adam created, err, my bad.. "formed" on again, and what are you using as a reference point to outline your days?...

I'm sorry Nightmare, This all just seems a bit ... twisted for me.
Grace and Peace.

Jeff

 

[NIGHTMARE]

Woah there buddy, slow down just a tad.

For starters,

Only threw Him can anyone recieve life to believe anything else is a load of bull$#!%

I don't think Rick or Vic would approve of that type of language in their forum... You may want to acquaint yourself with the TOS...

Please show the verse that indicates the man Adam was created before day 3?????

I can't, and that's my point... and I think you missed it.
Now then it's your turn. Show me where Adam was 'formed" after the 7th day. You can't.

What you can do, is use Genesis 1 as a reference point....

This is closer to proving me right then you,,,,,,In Gen 1:11-12 God made grass,,,herb yielding seed,,,fruit trees,,,notice there is no mention of plants........hmmmmmmmm

Last I checked, grass, herb yielding seed,,, and yes, even fruit trees are considered plants :rolling

BTW, God created all them "Plants" on the 3rd day, that is, ... according to Gen 1 ;)

Now then, what day was Adam created, err, my bad.. "formed" on again, and what are you using as a reference point to outline your days?...

I'm sorry Nightmare, This all just seems a bit ... twisted for me.
Grace and Peace.

Jeff

Perhaps you have let traditon of men make void the word.....

Gen. 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Ok this is easy,,,,,It is day 7 and God just blessed it and rested for day 7,,,,common sense God probably restyed the whole day correct....

Ok day 7 is over......

Now Gen. 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
Gen. 2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground

Why has God not let it rain?????Because when water comes things grow,,,,what do you do when plants and things grow????you tend to them.....So who was going to tend to them?????well God didnt have a man to tend to them,,,so he formed (eth-haa-adam) the man Adam and placed him in the garden....

Gen. 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

NOw if you dont understand Hebrew article and particle this is going to go right over your head...... In the article is used in verse 7 , so we are talking about a specific man Adam...... To listen up!!

the Hebrew even gets more specific and more in detail when particle "eth" is present. so the truth of the matter is verse is talking about the man that the Bible calls Adam.......

Now we can dive in a little further but lets hold on to make sure your still aboard,,,,lets look at pure logic

On day 6 Did God tell the people about the tree of Knowledge (satan) ????answer:NO ,,,,,because satan was going to attack the line leading to Christ which is Adam and Eve.....

Now on day 5 and 6 God created animals right????? yup,,, so whats up with this verse???

Gen. 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

These are domestic animals,,,these are the animals that God created that would aid Adam (eth-haa-adam) in taking care of the Garden......

SO God gave the 6 day mankind dominion over wild animals,,but He gave Adam (eth-haa-adam) domestic ones... :yes

GOd told Adam about the tree of knowledge but didnt tell the 'adam (mankind) about it.... :yes

God made male and female on day 6 but God took the rib (dna) from Adam to make Eve after day 7 .... :yes

Sorry but your wrong,,,now you can stay wrong,,,our ytou can go over your errs and make the needed changes as we all must do from time to time.......and please look into the Hebrew there is simply no reason not to,,,,it is easy fun and makes perfect sense,,,because this is truth.......

My bad if I offended you with the @#$%! but I dont take giving Christ glory to some fake magical tree lightly.....P.s. if you believe that we all come from one man Adam your going to encounter one hek of a problem explaining Genesis chp 10 when gentiles (goy) are introduced because if what you say is true there would be none.......after all we all come from Adam right>>>> :naughty

 

[stovebolts]

Perhaps you have let traditon of men make void the word.....

Nightmare,
I can see that you are very stuck in your ways and have malice in your tone.. I see no benefit of continuing further.

I will maintain that you are reading and interpreting Genesis 1 and 2 incorrectly as it appears you need to make those chapters say what you need them to say in order to support other ideologies you may have...

In short, my argument stands. You cannot slice and dice scripture to make it fit into what you want it to fit into... Scripture clearly states that plants were created on day 3, and humanity on day 6. It is an erroneous conclusion to use Genesis 1 as a placeholder for time and say that Adam was created after day 7.

Regards.

 

[Orion]

Doesn't it stand to reason that Christians do the same thing by suggesting that Genesis 2 is some sort of retelling of Genesis 1? These appear to be different accounts.

 

[stovebolts]

Orion,

Genesis 2 is a retelling of Genesis 1.

When you study scripture, it is best to first understand it's original audience, and that will show the original intent behind the writing.

Scripture isn't just words to be taken as data. Scripture has an agenda and with that, it has a purpose. When we read Genesis 1, it's intent was to show superiority over the other gods that where known and worshiped in the region. Each verse in Chapter 1 is a very precisely written apologetic response to other Near Eastern ideologies as seen with it's very direct and concise affirmations.

As an example of this, here is a copy / paste from another study.

Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Looking at this verse with a Near Eastern lens, the ancients would have recognized this statement in complete opposition to the Babylonian epic of creation involving Marduk and Tiamat. If you have not read the epic, I would urge you to do so. Lo, even the great King Cyrus paid great homage to Marduk. But I regress,

Who ruled the darkness and the depths of the deep? Of course, it was Tiamat, a scorn mother who stirred chaos and brought disorder. It is the Elohim of elohim who brings order out of chaos.

Asaph describes it this way, and yes, Isaiah and Ezekiel agree.

Psalms 74:12-17 For God is my King of old, working salvation in the midst of the earth. Thou didst divide the sea by thy strength: thou brakest the heads of the dragons in the waters. Thou brakest the heads of leviathan in pieces, and gavest him to be meat to the people inhabiting the wilderness. Thou didst cleave the fountain and the flood: thou driedst up mighty rivers. The day is thine, the night also is thine: thou hast prepared the light and the sun. Thou hast set all the borders of the earth: thou hast made summer and winter.

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As you can see above, Psalm 74 is retelling the creation account in Genesis... and in it, there is reference to the 'dragon' and "leviathan'. In Ancient Near eastern terms, those are the offspring of Tiamat...

In Genesis 1, God is "Elohim" and as such, denotes a particular nature. In short, Genesis 1 shows that God, and God alone creates. In Genesis 2, God is called Elohim YHVH, which is in reference to how Elohim interacts with humanity.

 

[Vic C.]

Woah there buddy, slow down just a tad.

For starters,

Only threw Him can anyone recieve life to believe anything else is a load of *edited*

I don't think Rick or Vic would approve of that type of language in their forum... You may want to acquaint yourself with the TOS...

Jeff

Already on it Jeff, but thanks. :yes

Last I checked, grass, herb yielding seed,,, and yes, even fruit trees are considered plants :rolling

BTW, God created all them "Plants" on the 3rd day, that is, ... according to Gen 1

They are all plants. :yes

 

[NIGHTMARE]

Doesn't it stand to reason that Christians do the same thing by suggesting that Genesis 2 is some sort of retelling of Genesis 1? These appear to be different accounts.

Your right,,,,,,,look and see

The Hebrew word for man in genesis 1 is 'adam which means mankind--- and man in genesis 2 is the man (eth-haa-adam) which as article and particle brung with eth

In Genesis 1 mankind was "created" in Genesis 2 the man Adam was "formed"

In Genesis 2 GOd told Adam about the tree of knowledge in Genesis 1 its not spoken of to mankind.....

The animals given to Adam were domestic the animals in Genesis 1 tthat mankind had dominion over are wild ones....

Eve was formed from Adams rib (dna) the females in chp 1 were created along with the males....

People would rather listen to those fairy tales instead of just reading and praying for truth.....

Beside gentiles come from the men and woman created on day 6 if all people come from adamic blood then who are the goy (gentiles) in chp 10???????? answer: they are the men and women created not formed on day 6.....

 

[NIGHTMARE]

Woah there buddy, slow down just a tad.

For starters,

Only threw Him can anyone recieve life to believe anything else is a load of *edited*

I don't think Rick or Vic would approve of that type of language in their forum... You may want to acquaint yourself with the TOS...

Jeff

Already on it Jeff, but thanks. :yes

Last I checked, grass, herb yielding seed,,, and yes, even fruit trees are considered plants :rolling

BTW, God created all them "Plants" on the 3rd day, that is, ... according to Gen 1

They are all plants. :yes

I dont want to get into the plants because it will lead to trees and I have a strong feeling that some on here do not know the difference between

ets, ates; from # 6095, stock tree, timber, wood." It is a common tree.

"Atsah, aw-tsaw, prime root, prop. to fasten (or make firm), i.e., to close (the eyes): shut." Under # The # 6096;

"Atseh, aw-tseh, from 6095; the spine, (as giving firmness to the body):-backbone

Again it seems like you guys just read your bible and assume that when you see a word like "tree" it automatically means a regular old tree,,,sorry thats not how the language of Hebrew works.....Please do the research,,,and put away traditions and storys about magis trees talking snakes and everyone coming from one man..... :amen

 

[Vic C.]

Now Gen. 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
Gen. 2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground

Why has God not let it rain?????Because when water comes things grow,,,,what do you do when plants and things grow????you tend to them.....So who was going to tend to them?????well God didnt have a man to tend to them,,,so he formed (eth-haa-adam) the man Adam and placed him in the garden....

Honestly, you can't be serious. Gen. 2:6 (which you posted) answers your very own question. The mist from the earth watered the plants. They were already growing, hence the need for a tiller. If there were indeed men already created, then God could have easily snatched up one of them and plopped them into the garden to tend.

Now for rain; it isn't mentioned again until Gen 7:4. Why? Because until the days of Noah, there was no rain upon the earth! Yet, things still grew. :yes Rain was an alien thing to man until God poured out HIS flood on the earth.

You may claim to study Hebrew, but when one comes around and discredits the knowledge of those in the past that lived and breathed and even spoke Hebrew, like Rashi, I just scratch my head and chalk it up to the ego.

I am asking politely that we refrain from offering this up as a teaching of Biblical truth and call it what it is; a theory based on not much more than hypotheses. It's mostly extra biblical information that this teaching is based on; contemporary Hebrew teachings and liberal, textural criticisms.

If this continues on as being purported as Biblical truth, the staff will have to lock this thread down. :gah

 

[NIGHTMARE]

Perhaps you have let traditon of men make void the word.....

Nightmare,
I can see that you are very stuck in your ways and have malice in your tone.. I see no benefit of continuing further.

I will maintain that you are reading and interpreting Genesis 1 and 2 incorrectly as it appears you need to make those chapters say what you need them to say in order to support other ideologies you may have...

In short, my argument stands. You cannot slice and dice scripture to make it fit into what you want it to fit into... Scripture clearly states that plants were created on day 3, and humanity on day 6. It is an erroneous conclusion to use Genesis 1 as a placeholder for time and say that Adam was created after day 7.

Regards.

NO its not malice,, its dissapointment that so many cant see men as trees walking and other things.....

Please show me what I have sliced and diced,,,,,because I have not done so,,,,what I have done is go back to the original language to make sure im rendering things correctly...

You are ignoring one simple fact and that is that the Hebrew has something called article and particle which lets you know whether the "man" means mankind or one specific man.....

So since you dont seem to understand this I will tell you once again

The word "man" in Genesis 1 has no article or particle and includes the female gender which make the word "man" in Genesis 1 mean mankind ....easy

The "man" in Genesis 2 as article and particle brung on with "eth" which mean a particular man a certain man the man Christ would come through (eth-haa-adam)....also easy....

Now are you saying im slicing this????? are you saying im dicing this???? all I have done is bring something to the table that you have not grasped nor seem to understand,,, so you play the twisting card,,,,but you dont know what you speak because you cant twist article and particle,,,,this safeguard was put in place by Nehemiah and Ezra when they found out there were no levitical priests as scribes....

So to protect the pure word from those that would change the manuscripts certain safeguards were put in place but I digress,,,,in short I HAVE TWISTED NOTHING AND ITS LAME FOR YOU TO KEEP SAYING SO.....

 

[NIGHTMARE]

Now Gen. 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
Gen. 2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground

Why has God not let it rain?????Because when water comes things grow,,,,what do you do when plants and things grow????you tend to them.....So who was going to tend to them?????well God didnt have a man to tend to them,,,so he formed (eth-haa-adam) the man Adam and placed him in the garden....

Honestly, you can't be serious. Gen. 2:6 (which you posted) answers your very own question. The mist from the earth watered the plants. They were already growing, hence the need for a tiller. If there were indeed men already created, then God could have easily snatched up one of them and plopped them into the garden to tend.

Now for rain; it isn't mentioned again until Gen 7:4. Why? Because until the days of Noah, there was no rain upon the earth! Yet, things still grew. :yes Rain was an alien thing to man until God poured out HIS flood on the earth.

You may claim to study Hebrew, but when one comes around and discredits the knowledge of those in the past that lived and breathed and even spoke Hebrew, like Rashi, I just scratch my head and chalk it up to the ego.

I am asking politely that we refrain from offering this up as a teaching of Biblical truth and call it what it is; a theory based on not much more than hypotheses. It's mostly extra biblical information that this teaching is based on; contemporary Hebrew teachings and liberal, textural criticisms.

If this continues on as being purported as Biblical truth, the staff will have to lock this thread down. :gah

sorry Im really not interested into going off on the plant thing like I said before the thread is did Cain marry hi sister,,,,,the answer is no based on the fact that there were other woman around and the simplicity of the Hebrew makes this clear.......

SO I ask you do you understand what 'adam means?????

DO you understand what haa-adam means?????

Do you understand what eth-haa-adam means

Do you uderstand whats written below

1. 'Adam, denotes his origin, as being made from the "dust of the Adamah" ground (Lat. homo).
2. 'Ish, has regard to sex, a male (Lat. vir).
3. 'Enosh, has regard to his infirmities, as physically mortal, and as to character, incurable.
4. Geber, has respect to his strength, a mighty man.

I. 'Adam, without the article, denotes man or mankind in general (Gen. 1:26; 2:5; 5:1, followed by plural pronoun). With the article, it denotes the man, Adam, though rendered "man" in Gen. 1:27; 2:7 (twice), 8, 15, 16, 19 (marg.), 22 (twice); 3:12, 22, 24; 5:1; 6:1 (rendered "men"), 2, 3, 4. After this, the Hebrew 'Adam = man or men, is used of the descendants of Adam. Hence, Christ is called "the son of Adam", not a son of Enosh.

With the particle ha ('eth) in addition to the article it is very emphatic, and means self, very, this same, this very. See Gen. 2:7 (first occurrence), 8, 15.

Rendered in the Septuagint anqrwpos (anthropos) 411 times; ajnhvr (aner) eighteen times (fifteen times in Proverbs); brotovs (brotos), mortal (all in Job); once ghgehvs (gegenes), earth-born, Jer. 32:20.

II. 'Ish. First occurrence in feminine, Gen. 2:23, 'ishah = woman. Therefore, 'ish = male, or husband; a man, in contrast with a woman. A great man in contrast with ordinary men (Ps. 49:2, where "low" are called the children of Adam, and the "high" = children of 'ish. So Ps. 62:9 and Isa. 2:9; 5:15; 31:8). When God is spoken of as man, it is 'ish (Ex. 15:3. So Josh. 5:13. Dan. 9:21; 10:5; 12:6, 7. Zech. 1:8, &c.). Also, in such expressions as "man of God", "man of understanding", &c. In the early chapters of Genesis we have it in chapters 3:33, 34 and 4:1.

Translated in Septuagint 1,083 times by ajnhvr (aner), Latin vir, and only 450 by anqrwpos (anthropos), Latin homo.

It is rendered "husband" sixty-nine times, "person" twelve times, and once or twice each in thirty-nine different ways.

III. 'Enosh. First occurrence Gen. 6:4, men of name. Always in a bad sense (Isa. 5:22; 45:14. Judg. 18:25). Morally = depraved, and physically = frail, weak. It is from 'anash, to be sick, wretched, weak, and denotes inability, for strength, physically; and for good, morally (cp. 2Sam. 12:15. Job 34:6. Jer. 15:18; 17:9; 30:12, 15. Mic. 1:9). Note the contrasts, Isa. 2:11 and 17, "The lofty looks of man ('Adam) shall be humbled, and the haughtiness of men ('Enosh) shall be bowed down" (Cp. Isa. 13:12. Job 25:6. Ps. 8:4; 90:3; 144:3. Job 4:17; 10:5; 7:17. Dan. 4:16). Other instructive passages are Isa. 8:1; 66:24. Ezek. 24:17 (afflicted, or mourners. Cp. Jer. 17:16, "day of man"). In 1Sam. 4:9 it is probably plural of 'Ish (so probably Gen. 18 and 19, where the indefinite plural must be interpreted by the context, because 'Adam would have denoted human, and 'Ish, males).

It is rendered "man" 518 times, "certain" eleven times, and once or twice each in twenty-four other and different ways.

IV. Geber. First occurrence in Gen. 6:4 (*1), mighty men, and denotes man in respect of his physical strength, as 'Enosh does in respect of the depravity of his nature. It is rendered "man" sixty-seven times, "mighty" twice, "man-child" once, "every one" once. In the Septuagint rendered fourteen times anqrwpos (anthropos) and the rest by ajnhvr (aner).

For illustrative passages see Ex. 10:11; 12:37. 1Sam. 16:18. 2Sam. 23:1. Num. 24:3, 15. 1Chron. 26:12; 28:1. 2Chron. 13:3. Ezra 4:21; 5:4, 10; 6:8.

V. Methim (plural) = adults as distinguished from children, and males as distinguished from females. Occurs Gen. 34:30. Deut. 2:34; 3:6; 4:27; 26:5; 28:62; 33:6. 1Chron. 16:19. Job 11:3, 11; 19:19; 22:15; 24:12; 31:31. Ps. 17:14; 26:4; 105:12. Isa. 3:25; 5:13; 41:14. Jer. 44:28.

(*1) In Gen. 6:4, we have three out of the above four words : "daughters of men" ( = daughters of [the man] 'Adam; "mighty men" = (geber); "men of renown" = Heb. men ('Enosh) of name, i.e. renowned for their moral depravity.

NOw from what I know this was the only person who was allowed to translate the massorah into english from DR Ginsberg english I think that makes him just as noteable as Rashi (but sorry I dont know who that is)......

But if you choose to believe Cain married his sister and everyone comes from Adam and the tree of life is a magical tree that gives life equal to Christ hey why stop there,,,,the devil walks around with a pitch fork little green men rule outer space a harry potter is the strongest person alive next to yugioh....

 

[Fembot]

Now for rain; it isn't mentioned again until Gen 7:4. Why? Because until the days of Noah, there was no rain upon the earth! Yet, things still grew. :yes Rain was an alien thing to man until God poured out HIS flood on the earth.

Where is this?

 

[NIGHTMARE]

Now for rain; it isn't mentioned again until Gen 7:4. Why? Because until the days of Noah, there was no rain upon the earth! Yet, things still grew. :yes Rain was an alien thing to man until God poured out HIS flood on the earth.

Where is this?

I dont believe its anywhere I kinda think God uses nature,,,,I see God as more of a God,,,if He wants things to Grow,,,Hes not going to do some magical junk,,,He will bring forth rain,,,,and sunlight,,,remember God gave man dominion over things,,,but the whether and elements is His alone......

But yea that aint written.......