Did Cain marry his Sister?

[Fembot]

Regardless of whether one believes they were actually "giants" (the term is more accurately "fallen ones"), they all got destroyed in the Flood. We're all descended from Noah and his sons.

Did their dna die in the flood as well?

 

[inhopeofglory]

I'm not sure what you're asking here. If all the "giants" died in the Flood, then their DNA was destroyed too.

 

[NIGHTMARE]

So were rape, murder, coveting, homosexuality, sacrificing children or bestiality wrong only after God said they were wrong?

I'd like to reply by repeating my earlier question, "Why is marrying a close relative immoral?". We all marry relatives, albeit distant ones. Abraham married his half-sister (albeit as a pagan!). Isaac married his near cousin, as did Jacob. Going further back in history, the children of Noah's kids Shem, Ham, and Japheth must have also married each other (whether direct siblings or near cousins), as they "restarted" humanity after the Flood wiped everyone else out.

The answer is still "Because God says so" (whether by actual spoken decree or not - we go by His "opinion" on a matter, He is the standard), is it not? Out of who He is, His character, His will, His nature, His decrees, we obtain the standard for morality.

The examples quoted above always were and always will be wrong. For example, that murder was a sin from the beginning, before God wrote "You shall not murder" on the tablets of stone for Israel, can be seen in God's response to Cain killing Abel. Why are they wrong? Well, for one, they pervert the natural order which God has ordained.

But the question of Cain's wife is slightly different. By ordaining that Adam and Eve be the sole progenitors of the entire human race, God in effect decreed that the first generations would have to marry very close relatives. Such marriages were thus entirely within the natural order God had made. Providing they were faithful, exclusive, one-man-for-one-woman marriages, there was nothing intrinsically wrong about relationships between close relatives at that time.

The argument from genetics as a plausible reason for why God later made the decree against close-relative marriages is simply a reasonable deduction from what we now know through scientific discovery. He knew the risks such relationships would now pose, and thus moved to maintain the purity of His chosen people, through whom ultimately the Messiah would come. The same is true for much of the Law - there was nothing intrinsically wrong about eating certain animals, for example - as can be seen by our freedom to eat them now - but for every Israelite living at that time eating those animals was most certainly wrong, because God decreed it so. We can deduce reasons for even those laws, too. Of course there is the spiritual significance and foreshadowing of Christ, but there are also many practical reasons that can be suggested, such as the risk of disease (e.g. from pig meat) and so on. God was ordaining a code by which the Israelites would remain distinct and untainted, that they might be a light to the nations and bring the Messiah into the world.

The problem with not accepting that Cain married a near relative (whether sister, neice, etc) is that the Bible is emphatic that Adam and Eve were the first humans on Earth; their offspring make up all of humanity. The only possible deduction, therefore, is that Cain married a close relative. He had no other choice! I agree that this raises questions that we may find hard to grapple with, but it's a lot safer than denying the clear teaching of Scripture that Adam and Eve were the first humans.

The bible tells very clear that Adam was not the first man nor Eve the first woman,,,,the problem is people are tyring to say that Adam (eth-ha-adam) was created in Genesis 1,,,,WRONG....

Adam (eth-ha-adam) was not created first of all,,,,he was formed......second He was not formed until Genesis chp 2.......The bible say God created mankind in chp 1 then later he did not have a gardener so he formed eth-ha-adam........Cain did not marry a sister he wed a woman that was created in Genesis 1......also Cain was very fearful of going out because there were other people out that he fealt woul kill him.....Where did these people come from?????answer:Genesis 1

 

[inhopeofglory]

1 Corinthians 15:45: And so it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being...

Genesis 3:20: And Adam called his wife’s name Eve, because she was the mother of all living.

Adam was the first man, Eve the first woman. The Bible is very clear.

Why would Cain be afraid of perfect strangers killing him for killing his brother? It makes far more sense to think that he'd be scared of relatives killing him for murdering Abel!

 

[Orion]

I am in total agreement with Free on this subject.

 

[NIGHTMARE]

1 Corinthians 15:45: And so it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being...

Genesis 3:20: And Adam called his wife’s name Eve, because she was the mother of all living.

Adam was the first man, Eve the first woman. The Bible is very clear.

Why would Cain be afraid of perfect strangers killing him for killing his brother? It makes far more sense to think that he'd be scared of relatives killing him for murdering Abel!

Why would Cain be afraid of others,,,,good question but the bible says he was.....And your assuming that there were more children around at this time from Adam and Eve even though you have no proof....

Yes Adam was the first man,,,,,He was the first man in the line Christ.....

Yes Eve is the mother of all living,,,but not flesh living spiritually living......Eve is the mother (so to speak) of Christ and anyone in Christ is spiritually alive thats why she is deemed as the mother of all living.....

Why are you using corinthians to determine creation ?????Why dont you just go to Genesis and it shows very clear Adam (eth-ha-adam) was not formed until after day 7 while mankind was created on day 6 please do the research.....

 

[Vic C.]

Yes Eve is the mother of all living,,,but not flesh living spiritually living......Eve is the mother (so to speak) of Christ and anyone in Christ is spiritually alive thats why she is deemed as the mother of all living....

Nice twist. :gah

Why are you using corinthians to determine creation ?????Why dont you just go to Genesis and it shows very clear Adam (eth-ha-adam) was not formed until after day 7 while mankind was created on day 6 please do the research.....

Research starts with scripture, because scripture does interpret itself.

inhopeofglory is on solid ground here, because I see no intent to speculate in this case.

1 Corinthians 15:45: and Genesis 3:20: say what they say very clearly to us and are in alignment with each other.

Why all the adding to scripture and speculating over what Genesis may mean? This is causing a division that God never intended, I'm fairly certain. So, who do you all think it is that is causing this division? Do you all believe it is God's intentions to want us bickering over creation, when the whole of HIS Word points to relationships? What's to learn by arguing over who was created and when?

 

[NIGHTMARE]

Yes Eve is the mother of all living,,,but not flesh living spiritually living......Eve is the mother (so to speak) of Christ and anyone in Christ is spiritually alive thats why she is deemed as the mother of all living....

Nice twist. :gah

[quote:3ecpt26a]Why are you using corinthians to determine creation ?????Why dont you just go to Genesis and it shows very clear Adam (eth-ha-adam) was not formed until after day 7 while mankind was created on day 6 please do the research.....

Research starts with scripture, because scripture does interpret itself.

inhopeofglory is on solid ground here, because I see no intent to speculate in this case.

1 Corinthians 15:45: and Genesis 3:20: say what they say very clearly to us and are in alignment with each other.

Why all the adding to scripture and speculating over what Genesis may mean? This is causing a division that God never intended, I'm fairly certain. So, who do you all think it is that is causing this division? Do you all believe it is God's intentions to want us bickering over creation, when the whole of HIS Word points to relationships? What's to learn by arguing over who was created and when? [/quote:3ecpt26a]

I dont twist scripture!!!! if you want to discuss this then ok but maybe you should here what I have to say before you start saying im twisting things......and this is a forum we are not going to agree on everything....

 

[Orion]

What may be labeled as "a twist" may very well be exactly what happened. If you want to add logic to it, then tradition fails quite a lot. I'm on the side of Free and NIGHTMARE.

 

[Vic C.]

Soory to offend you. My problem is there is so much speculation going on here. It's like people are reading "between the lines" and inserting their own understanding. What can I say but this interpretation you and others present is very liberal. It doesn't even compare to that of one of the greatest Jewish Biblical scholars, Rashi, who most likely had a better understanding of Hebrew that any of us.

http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo ... rashi/true

It's simply been understood by Jewish and Christian scholars alike, that Gen. 1 tells "when" and Gen.2 tells "how". At which point do we start believing the Bible for what it says? Exodus? Maybe Joshua?

What makes some people believe contemporary (liberal) interpretations are "more" reliable?

 

[NIGHTMARE]

What I believe is simple,,,,,there were other people on earth......God said he formed Adam after day 7 but God had created mankind on day 6.......The bible comfirms this so does the Hebrew manuscripts.....All one as to do is do a little research.......

 

[turnorburn]

What I believe is simple,,,,,there were other people on earth......God said he formed Adam after day 7 but God had created mankind on day 6.......The bible comfirms this so does the Hebrew manuscripts.....All one as to do is do a little research.......

Are you a disciple of Arnold Murray?..


turnorburn

 

[NIGHTMARE]

What I believe is simple,,,,,there were other people on earth......God said he formed Adam after day 7 but God had created mankind on day 6.......The bible comfirms this so does the Hebrew manuscripts.....All one as to do is do a little research.......

Are you a disciple of Arnold Murray?..


turnorburn

Correct me im wrong ,,,but isnt Arnold Murray a regular ole man?????I am a disciple of no man..... :naughty

I am a student of the Hebrew.............

 

[stovebolts]

What I believe is simple,,,,,there were other people on earth......God said he formed Adam after day 7 but God had created mankind on day 6.......The bible comfirms this so does the Hebrew manuscripts.....All one as to do is do a little research.......

Nightmare,

Now I know why you asked me the question you asked me in the thread I started (Genesis 1, 2 and 3)

I believe I have inadvertently addressed this issue in a recent post... To be frank Nightmare, Genesis 1 and 2 were not written to be interpreted as Adam being created after day 7...

 

[researcher]

What I believe is simple,,,,,there were other people on earth......God said he formed Adam after day 7 but God had created mankind on day 6.......The bible comfirms this so does the Hebrew manuscripts.....All one as to do is do a little research.......

There were other people that God made on earth. I believe that.

The church used to persecute scientists who believed that the earth was not the center of the universe when it was believed by the church and government that the earth was at the center of everything.

Gotta watch out for that "religion"! Lol. ;)

 

[stovebolts]

God said he formed Adam after day 7 but God had created mankind on day 6.

Genesis 1:11-13 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the third day.

Genesis 2:4-7 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Ok, so in Genesis 1, vegetation was created on day three. However, Genesis 2 states that Adam was created before day three since no vegetation yet existed, and, since Adam was, as you infer, not taken into account in chapter 1, this really gets into a can of worms... Simple question, using your logic, how was adam created after day 7 if chapter two says he was created before day three?

Funny how that happens when we don't apply the correct context to a verse. Sounds like a nightmare to try and iron out if you ask me ;)

 

[NIGHTMARE]

What I believe is simple,,,,,there were other people on earth......God said he formed Adam after day 7 but God had created mankind on day 6.......The bible comfirms this so does the Hebrew manuscripts.....All one as to do is do a little research.......

Nightmare,

Now I know why you asked me the question you asked me in the thread I started (Genesis 1, 2 and 3)

I believe I have inadvertently addressed this issue in a recent post... To be frank Nightmare, Genesis 1 and 2 were not written to be interpreted as Adam being created after day 7...

Actually my friend the bible was written to be purely understood really not interpreted at all.....
But there is plenty of evidence that Adam (eth-ha-adam) was not created until after day 7......
Lets look at the first time the word "man" is written::::

Gen 1:26-27
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. KJV

Now are you trying to tell me this is the man Adam (eth-haa-adam) being created here???????

I hope not because first thing is this word "created" the man Adam (eth-haa-adam) was not created he was formed.....

26 And God said, Let us make man ---this word "man" here is not (eth-haa-adam) the word is simply 'adam,,,which means man, any man, men, mankind..... note there is no article or particle here it isimply is mankind which is later seen because of the fact ---male and female-- he "created" them...

In Genesis 2:7 the article and particle is found thus denoting a specific man a certain man.......

and there is alot more.........

 

[stovebolts]

We don't need to get into all that just yet... But since you prefer textual criticism over dogma for interpreting Gen 1 and 2, just unravel the can of worms presented in my last post and we can go from there if your willing.

Clearly, according to the simple reading of Genesis 2, Adam was created before day three if we cross reference the days with Gen 1 :D

Grace and Peace.

Jeff

 

[NIGHTMARE]

God said he formed Adam after day 7 but God had created mankind on day 6.

Genesis 1:11-13 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the third day.

Genesis 2:4-7 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Ok, so in Genesis 1, vegetation was created on day three. However, Genesis 2 states that Adam was created before day three since no vegetation yet existed, and, since Adam was, as you infer, not taken into account in chapter 1, this really gets into a can of worms... Simple question, using your logic, how was adam created after day 7 if chapter two says he was created before day three?

Funny how that happens when we don't apply the correct context to a verse. Sounds like a nightmare to try and iron out if you ask me ;)

sorry I dont do much ironing......

But what I do is study......Your question is off base,,,,no where in chp 2 does it say the man Adam was created before day 3,,,first the man Adam was not created he was formed......

Please show the verse that indicates the man Adam was created before day 3?????

 

[researcher]

I wanna help! Lol. ;) :D

Gen 2:8 And Jehovah God planted a garden eastward, in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
Gen 2:9 And out of the ground made Jehovah God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

God's gardens are people...
Isa 5:7 For the garden of Jehovah of hosts is the house of Israel, and the men of Judah his pleasant plant:

Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 12:33 Either make the tree good, and its fruit good; or make the tree corrupt, and its fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by its fruit.


I believe Genesis 2:9 is the first time "trees" are used to symbolize people in the Bible. All of the family "trees" sprang from there if you will. ;) :D