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Did God appoint Obama?
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Kenny_ms
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Like the saying popularly goes, anyone on that seat has been already destined to be there by God. HE places people there for a purpose, including Obama.
Yes, and I'm not saying this is necessarily what has happened or not, but God has his hand on it, even to the point where a county can get so sinful, God takes his hand off things and just lets things happen.
IOW he places people there for a purpose or just lets whoever take the job for a purpose.
Or should I say, Is Obama a servant of God?
I don't keep up with politics much at all but, and I could be wrong, from what we can't help but gather, I'd say no. I probably shouldn't draw any conclusion unless I'm more involved so lets not call that a conclusion but just a gut feeling.
Yes, and I'm not saying this is necessarily what has happened or not, but God has his hand on it, even to the point where a county can get so sinful, God takes his hand off things and just lets things happen.
IOW he places people there for a purpose or just lets whoever take the job for a purpose.
Or should I say, Is Obama a servant of God?
I don't keep up with politics much at all but, and I could be wrong, from what we can't help but gather, I'd say no. I probably shouldn't draw any conclusion unless I'm more involved so lets not call that a conclusion but just a gut feeling.
Deborah13
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? I think Herod died in 4BC, so I'm not sure exacting what you are referring to.
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Kenny_ms
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I was looking at my last post and wondering if God ever just doesn't do anything or maybe as y'all mention, he's in complete control and the man is an instrument but, there was Job and when god just stepped aside and let Satan have his way so..
Not saying that or anything I've mentioned is actually the case but just another possibility to throw in the mix.
Not saying that or anything I've mentioned is actually the case but just another possibility to throw in the mix.
Deborah13
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I think God has used so many different means to bring about His plan and so many different ways with individual people, that even a very dedicated Bible scholar may not be able to identify them all, in the Bible. Let alone what we don't know anything about.
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Kenny_ms
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Oh, without a doubt.
Deborah13
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I do believe that there are times God doesn't do anything at that moment in time. Even in very serious situations.
But you know, He told us that we are suppose to do something in most situations. He said, you do it. You feed the poor and care for the lost and the needy. You preach the Gospel.
Christ_empowered
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I don't think Obama is so terrible. I mean, the economy has been shifting since the 70s...I read some economist's writings on it, Paul Craig Roberts. Its just gotten more obviously terrible, for more people, lately, and the media keeps lying to us about some "recovery" that few people are actually benefitting from. Anyway...
I do think every Prez is a tool of God. His ways are higher than our ways, so even blunders and mistakes and infuriating policies are probably being used of God to move His plans forward...we just don't see it, because...well...we're only human.
I do think every Prez is a tool of God. His ways are higher than our ways, so even blunders and mistakes and infuriating policies are probably being used of God to move His plans forward...we just don't see it, because...well...we're only human.
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Kenny_ms
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I don't think Obama is so terrible.
As presidents go, you have a good point. How much can they really do? especially if God chooses what becomes of the country. Our countries condition is likely more dependent on how it's people act, than how it president acts or how good at what they do a president may be, at least where God is concerned.
I do believe that there are times God doesn't do anything at that moment in time. Even in very serious situations.
But you know, He told us that we are suppose to do something in most situations. He said, you do it. You feed the poor and care for the lost and the needy. You preach the Gospel.
Exactly. Take control of whatever we have control over and leave the rest to him.
As presidents go, you have a good point. How much can they really do? especially if God chooses what becomes of the country. Our countries condition is likely more dependent on how it's people act, than how it president acts or how good at what they do a president may be, at least where God is concerned.
I do believe that there are times God doesn't do anything at that moment in time. Even in very serious situations.
But you know, He told us that we are suppose to do something in most situations. He said, you do it. You feed the poor and care for the lost and the needy. You preach the Gospel.
Exactly. Take control of whatever we have control over and leave the rest to him.
Deborah13
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You know God teaches us things we are responsible for in the same way we teach are children. After a child understands a principle should he have to ask me every time he does what I've already told him is the right thing to do?
I think the Lord teaches this same principle in the parable of the servants of the master. The master gives them each so much money. Then he leaves them, he's not there for them to ask about every move they make. He sent them on a mission with orders. All of them use that money for the gain of the master's kingdom, except one. He does nothing and he's the one that is rebuked.
Some people say they ask God before the pray for someone who is sick. Huh? What do they think, that they are in control of whether that person is healed or not? I see, pray for sick, lay hands on the sick, anointing them with oil and pray. Pretty clear instructions. It's totally up to God if He heals them or not.
I would rather be wrong about praying for them, then be wrong about not praying for them, if I thought that were case.
But, that is just the way I see it.
iLOVE
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Who removes kings (governors, presidents, etc)? Who sets them up? God does according to his sovereign plan.
Psalms 75:6-7 gives a broader view of this.
No one from the east or the west
or from the desert can exalt themselves.
It is God who judges:
He brings one down, he exalts another.
God brings one down and lifts another up.
Daniel 4:17 The sentence is by the decree of the watchers, the decision by the word of the holy ones, to the end that the living may know that the Most High rules the kingdom of men and gives it to whom he will and sets over it the lowliest of men.’
Yes God appointed President Obama for two terms.
Psalms 75:6-7 gives a broader view of this.
No one from the east or the west
or from the desert can exalt themselves.
It is God who judges:
He brings one down, he exalts another.
God brings one down and lifts another up.
Daniel 4:17 The sentence is by the decree of the watchers, the decision by the word of the holy ones, to the end that the living may know that the Most High rules the kingdom of men and gives it to whom he will and sets over it the lowliest of men.’
Yes God appointed President Obama for two terms.
Malachi
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This issue is similar to the appointment of Saul as the first king of Israel. That was contrary to God's perfect will, but He allowed it nonetheless. I gave thee a king in mine anger, and took him away in my wrath. (Hos 13:11).
This means that Christians can pray for the Divine removal of a man who supports terrorists (directly or indirectly) and is both anti-Christian and anti-Jew, while holding to an agenda which is basically to destroy America and what it stands for.
TheCurseoftheRodain
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I would say he is NOT appointed by God, not in the sense of God wanted him to be our President...
In the KJ of Deuteronomy 28:61 it says God will put every sickness on you if you break the Law. But in the original Hebrew it says He allows every sickness to come on you (which is what He said in the 15th verse of the same chapter, that it would come on you, not that He is sending it).
A lot of things in the old English or even in modern English try to say that God is doing such and such a thing, but really it is that He allows it, but not in the sense that He is causing it or desiring this bad thing but rather that He is respecting our free will. Just like where it says the fiery serpents came in and started biting the people and they were dying - the English says God sent them/ allowed them, but the Hebrew says He raised His hand of protection - which was that He had to comply with His people's free will choice to push away from Him.
SO, is Obama appointed by God in the sense that he is what God wanted for this, HIS nation? Absolutely not. For all the reasons above, plus logic: how can God want to give His Christian-founded, Christian-populated nation a man who tries to protect and exalt our enemies, such as ISIS, argues against Christ and Christians, says we don't belong to Jesus, refuses to have an Easter Proclamation (1st President not to do that) but invites Muslims to come celebrate Ramadan in the White House, murders millions of babies and tries to force American taxpayers to participate, tries to prosecute Christians but exonerate and set free Muslims, argues that Muslim atrocities against humanity are justified because hundreds of years ago misinformed Christians or fake Christians did a few bad things ( drops in a bucket by the numbers compared to aggregrate number of Muslim atrocities since 700 AD), etc etc etc.
God will not appoint someone who contradicts His will, His Word, His Son (dishonoring His Son) - that would be the same as saying, He y Satan, why don't you rule my people...thanks!...No, He would not do that - Satan's destination is to rule over the Lake of Fire in the Second Death while he burns forever with no way out.
So again, no Obama is not God's will, God had to allow him because the American people were deceived into voting for him and the Church stood by and let it happen by being quiet. Evil only triumphs when good does nothing.
SO, since the President is in charge of putting in Supreme Court justices, the IRS, the EPA, the Department of Justice, EVERY BRANCH OF THE US MILITARY, LET'S SOUND THE TRUMPET AND ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO VOTE IN EVERY ELECTION HENCEFORTH.
Voting for Republicans (not because they are Republicans, but because they will by and large be Christians and put in godly people around them, protect the rights of the unborn, follow the Bible in their decisions, be militarily tough, make better decisions, do better things for the economy, etc, because it is written that righteousness exalts a nation).
So let's do the Word and pray for God to deliver us from evil, to replace all ungodly leaders and give us godly leaders only who will not bow to the spirit of fear but will give honor to Jesus publicly and unashamedly and stand on His Word.
In the KJ of Deuteronomy 28:61 it says God will put every sickness on you if you break the Law. But in the original Hebrew it says He allows every sickness to come on you (which is what He said in the 15th verse of the same chapter, that it would come on you, not that He is sending it).
A lot of things in the old English or even in modern English try to say that God is doing such and such a thing, but really it is that He allows it, but not in the sense that He is causing it or desiring this bad thing but rather that He is respecting our free will. Just like where it says the fiery serpents came in and started biting the people and they were dying - the English says God sent them/ allowed them, but the Hebrew says He raised His hand of protection - which was that He had to comply with His people's free will choice to push away from Him.
SO, is Obama appointed by God in the sense that he is what God wanted for this, HIS nation? Absolutely not. For all the reasons above, plus logic: how can God want to give His Christian-founded, Christian-populated nation a man who tries to protect and exalt our enemies, such as ISIS, argues against Christ and Christians, says we don't belong to Jesus, refuses to have an Easter Proclamation (1st President not to do that) but invites Muslims to come celebrate Ramadan in the White House, murders millions of babies and tries to force American taxpayers to participate, tries to prosecute Christians but exonerate and set free Muslims, argues that Muslim atrocities against humanity are justified because hundreds of years ago misinformed Christians or fake Christians did a few bad things ( drops in a bucket by the numbers compared to aggregrate number of Muslim atrocities since 700 AD), etc etc etc.
God will not appoint someone who contradicts His will, His Word, His Son (dishonoring His Son) - that would be the same as saying, He y Satan, why don't you rule my people...thanks!...No, He would not do that - Satan's destination is to rule over the Lake of Fire in the Second Death while he burns forever with no way out.
So again, no Obama is not God's will, God had to allow him because the American people were deceived into voting for him and the Church stood by and let it happen by being quiet. Evil only triumphs when good does nothing.
SO, since the President is in charge of putting in Supreme Court justices, the IRS, the EPA, the Department of Justice, EVERY BRANCH OF THE US MILITARY, LET'S SOUND THE TRUMPET AND ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO VOTE IN EVERY ELECTION HENCEFORTH.
Voting for Republicans (not because they are Republicans, but because they will by and large be Christians and put in godly people around them, protect the rights of the unborn, follow the Bible in their decisions, be militarily tough, make better decisions, do better things for the economy, etc, because it is written that righteousness exalts a nation).
So let's do the Word and pray for God to deliver us from evil, to replace all ungodly leaders and give us godly leaders only who will not bow to the spirit of fear but will give honor to Jesus publicly and unashamedly and stand on His Word.