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Did Jesus Rise On Sunday ?

TOG said:
Yes, that would be correct, if there were such a thing as a special 3 day Sabbath. The site makes that claim, but they provide no scriptural support for it. If Jesus was crucified on a Wednesday (and I believe he was), then the women would have rested on the following day, which was the first day of Unleavened Bread, and would have bought the spices and other necessities on Friday, rested again on Saturday, and gone to the tomb at the first possible moment on Sunday. That fits perfectly with what the Bible tells us. But if Jesus was crucified on a Friday, they would have had no time to buy the spices, which the Bible tells us they did.



The Feast of First Fruits is the day after the weekly Sabbath during the Days of Unleavened Bread, and it is not a Sabbath. The first and last days of Unleavened Bread are both Sabbaths.

The TOG​
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That is how I understand it, too.
The Feast of First Fruits is the day the omar of barley is left up, the wave offering, which would as you say, have been the Sunday after the weekly Sabbath and I believe it was this day that the Lord was resurrected, He was the firstfruits. Is that what you understand?
 
Eugene said:
Jesus was crucified on Thursday. The third hour is indicative that a part of a day is counted as a day when applying it to the three days and three nights because the third hour is not the end of the day.
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The third hour (around 9 AM or so) on the day Jesus was crucified is irrelevant when calculating the day, since he was still alive at that time. His prophecy was...

For just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. (Matt. 12:40 ESV)​

Jesus wasn't "in the heart of the earth" at the third hour. In fact, he would still be alive for another 6 hours after that. After that, quite a lot had to happen, not all of which is recorded in the Bible, before Jesus was "in the heart of the earth".

  • Somebody (probably Joseph of Arimathea) went to Pilate and asked for permission to take down the body
  • A soldier went to Calvary to make sure Jesus was dead (Maybe somebody who's been there can tell us how far that is)
  • The soldier came back to Pilate and told him Jesus was dead
  • Pilate gave his permission
  • Joseph (or whoever else talked to Pilate) goes back up to Calvary
  • The group make plans on who is to provide and do what
  • Some people take the body down, while others go get spices and other necessities
  • The body is carried to the tomb
  • The spices and other things are brought to the tomb
  • The body is cleansed
  • The body is anointed and wrapped
  • The body is put in the tomb
  • A two ton stone is rolled over the mouth of the tomb
Each of these things took time. Jesus could not have been "in the heart of the earth" until at most 30-60 minutes before sunset. Are you really going to count that as a whole day? If you started out in the evening and drove for half an hour to get somewhere, would you say it had taken you all day?

The TOG​
 
Deborah13 said:
That is how I understand it, too.
The Feast of First Fruits is the day the omar of barley is left up, the wave offering, which would as you say, have been the Sunday after the weekly Sabbath and I believe it was this day that the Lord was resurrected, He was the firstfruits. Is that what you understand?
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Yes, that is how I understand it. Jesus fulfilled all the spring feasts. He fulfilled the feast of First Fruits by being the firstborn from the dead.

The TOG​
 
Lewis said:
TOG did you check these charts out, tell me what you think
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Yes, I checked the charts. I haven't read it all though. They make the mistake of counting only a small part of Thursday as a whole day, which doesn't make sense. I addressed that in my reply to Eugene.

TOG said:
The third hour (around 9 AM or so) on the day Jesus was crucified is irrelevant when calculating the day, since he was still alive at that time. His prophecy was...

For just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. (Matt. 12:40 ESV)​

Jesus wasn't "in the heart of the earth" at the third hour. In fact, he would still be alive for another 6 hours after that. After that, quite a lot had to happen, not all of which is recorded in the Bible, before Jesus was "in the heart of the earth".

  • Somebody (probably Joseph of Arimathea) went to Pilate and asked for permission to take down the body
  • A soldier went to Calvary to make sure Jesus was dead (Maybe somebody who's been there can tell us how far that is)
  • The soldier came back to Pilate and told him Jesus was dead
  • Pilate gave his permission
  • Joseph (or whoever else talked to Pilate) goes back up to Calvary
  • The group make plans on who is to provide and do what
  • Some people take the body down, while others go get spices and other necessities
  • The body is carried to the tomb
  • The spices and other things are brought to the tomb
  • The body is cleansed
  • The body is anointed and wrapped
  • The body is put in the tomb
  • A two ton stone is rolled over the mouth of the tomb
Each of these things took time. Jesus could not have been "in the heart of the earth" until at most 30-60 minutes before sunset. Are you really going to count that as a whole day? If you started out in the evening and drove for half an hour to get somewhere, would you say it had taken you all day?

The TOG​
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The TOG​
 
Lewis said:
Did Jesus Rise On Sunday ? I have not talked about this here in years, so what say you ?

How did Jesus die on Friday and rise on Sunday and is said to have been dead for 3 days?

The popular story of Jesus being crucified on Good Friday and his resurrection taking place on Sunday has unfortunately become part of modern day Christianity.
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The answer exists in Judaism, not in our Christian calculation of a 24 hour day in seven distinct days.

In Judaism, any time period prior to dusk is counted as being one day. After dusk, a second day has begun.

Jesus died on Friday afternoon (day one by Jewish standards) and He was hurriedly entombed prior to dusk (which was then both the start of the Saturday Sabbath and that year it coincided with the annual moveable date of Passover).

At dusk, by Jewish calculation, starts day two.

Jesus is entombed in the afternoon (day one) and when dusk occurs (day two begins) and He remains in the tomb through to Sunday (day three) where His Resurrection occurs in the early dawn hours.
 
This is from a Jewish website on the lunar and solar calculation of time:

"The Jewish day does not begin and end at midnight as does the secular calendar day.

Midnight is not a distinguishable astronomic event.

In the era before the modern clock, a specific hour of the night could not be precisely known, whereas an hour of the day was easily determined by sighting the location of the sun.

Thus, the day had to begin by precise, simple and universally recognized standards.

This meant that the day had to be reckoned either from the beginning of night or the beginning of day.

In Jewish time, the day begins with the onset of night (the appearance of the stars) followed by the morning (which technically begins with the appearance of the North Star).

According to some Jewish teachers, night and morning begin with sunset and sunrise respectively. For that is how the Torah describes it: "And there was evening and there was morning, the first day."

For this reason, the Sabbath begins on Friday night and ends with the appearance of the stars on Saturday night.

The same is true for the major holidays such as Passover, Sukkot, Shavuot, Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur, the fast day of Tisha B'Av, and Hanukkah and Purim.

Beginning the day with the night is, in a sense, a metaphor of life itself.

Life begins in the darkness of the womb, then bursts into the brightness of the light and eventually settles into the darkness of the grave, which, in turn, is followed by a new dawn in the world-to-come.

Life consists of light and dark: "And there was evening and there was morning." What we make of time is what counts."
 
tobewell said:
The answer exists in Judaism, not in our Christian calculation of a 24 hour day in seven distinct days.

In Judaism, any time period prior to dusk is counted as being one day. After dusk, a second day has begun.

Jesus died on Friday afternoon (day one by Jewish standards) and He was hurriedly entombed prior to dusk (which was then both the start of the Saturday Sabbath and that year it coincided with the annual moveable date of Passover).

At dusk, by Jewish calculation, starts day two.

Jesus is entombed in the afternoon (day one) and when dusk occurs (day two begins) and He remains in the tomb through to Sunday (day three) where His Resurrection occurs in the early dawn hours.
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Ah yes... The old "Jews in the first century didn't know how to count" argument. Sorry, I'm not buying it. Although it is true that the day starts at sunset according to Hebrew reckoning, they did know that a half hour (see my post above) on Thursday/Friday or a few minutes on Sunday morning (the women came while it was still dark), couldn't be counted as a whole day.

The TOG​
 
You are in error when you write that the Jews didn't know how to count. In fact, they had precise ways to determine calendar days and were required by God to observe certain holidays according to precise lunar and solar events.

Day one counts daylight Friday, day two begins when the first stars appear and continues until Saturday night when the stars appear signaling day three.

You incorrectly attempt to use modern day calculation upon a Jewish culture that did not wear watches.
 
Deborah13 said:
In Mark 15:42 could the "the day before the sabbath" be speaking of the Passover Sabbath rather than the Saturday Sabbath?
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Thanks Deborah13 for your reply.

The Passover feast of unleavened bread occurred prior to Jesus being taken to the cross. Was the first day of the feast the first day of the week when Jesus rose?

Mat 26:17 Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover?
Mat 26:19 And the disciples did as Jesus had appointed them; and they made ready the passover.
Mat 26:20 Now when the even was come, he sat down with the twelve.

Jesus and His disciples had already eaten the Passover and to me, they can’t be speaking of Jesus’ death, although I might be missing something.
Luk 23:52 This man went unto Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus.
Luk 23:53 And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid.
Luk 23:54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.

And again, scripture tells us in Mark 16:9 that Jesus was risen early the first day of the week. :shrug
 
Jewish explanation of Passover:

"Passover commences on the 15th of the Hebrew month of Nisan and lasts for either seven days (in Israel) or eight days (in the diaspora).

In Judaism, a day commences at dusk and lasts until the following dusk, thus the first day of Passover only begins after dusk of the 14th of Nisan and ends at dusk of the 15th day of the month of Nisan.

The rituals unique to the Passover celebrations commence with the Passover Seder when the 15th of Nisan has begun.

In the Northern Hemisphere Passover takes place in spring as the Torah prescribes it: "in the month of [the] spring" Exodus 23:15). It is one of the most widely observed Jewish holidays."
 
tobewell said:
The answer exists in Judaism, not in our Christian calculation of a 24 hour day in seven distinct days.

In Judaism, any time period prior to dusk is counted as being one day. After dusk, a second day has begun.

Jesus died on Friday afternoon (day one by Jewish standards) and He was hurriedly entombed prior to dusk (which was then both the start of the Saturday Sabbath and that year it coincided with the annual moveable date of Passover).

At dusk, by Jewish calculation, starts day two.

Jesus is entombed in the afternoon (day one) and when dusk occurs (day two begins) and He remains in the tomb through to Sunday (day three) where His Resurrection occurs in the early dawn hours.
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You my friend is wrong
 
Jesus and His Apostles were born and raised Jews in the 1st Century, they were not modernized Americans and Europeans.
 
John 13:26

The last supper was not a Passover Seder. The feast of unleavened bread would not have a sop. However it was a part of the Passover festival because it marked the beginning of the Fast of the Firstborn which Jesus, as Firstborn, observed.
 
tobewell said:
You are in error when you write that the Jews didn't know how to count.
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I'm not the one who said they didn't know how to count. You are by saying they didn't realize that there's a difference between a few minutes and a whole day.

In fact, they had precise ways to determine calendar days and were required by God to observe certain holidays according to precise lunar and solar events.

Day one counts daylight Friday, day two begins when the first stars appear and continues until Saturday night when the stars appear signaling day three.

You incorrectly attempt to use modern day calculation upon a Jewish culture that did not wear watches.
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I know how the Jewish calculations work. If you think that just a few minutes counted as a whole day, then you are wrong, but it that's how you count, then go ahead. But tell me two things.

For just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. (Matt. 12:40 ESV)
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My first question: Are you as cleaver at counting nights as you are at counting days? How do you fit 3 nights between Friday evening and Sunday morning?

When the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, so that they might go and anoint him. (Mark 16:1 ESV)

Then they returned and prepared spices and ointments. On the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment. (Luke 23:56 ESV)​

The women couldn't have bought the spices on a Sabbath, because nobody would have been selling them that day. Mark says they bought the spices the day after the Sabbath, and Luke tells us that they rested on the Sabbath after they bought the spices. So, my second question to you is: How do you fit two Sabbaths with a work day between them between Friday and Sunday?

The TOG​
 
I see your point about Jonah but what about Paul where he writes:

"The Resurrection of Christ

…3For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,5and that He appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve.…"


Your point about spices is in John 19

"The Burial of Jesus

…39Nicodemus, who had first come to Him by night, also came, bringing a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about a hundred pounds weight.

40So they took the body of Jesus and bound it in linen wrappings with the spices, as is the burial custom of the Jews.

41Now in the place where He was crucified there was a garden, and in the garden a new tomb in which no one had yet been laid.…"
 
TOG wrote
I know how the Jewish calculations work. If you think that just a few minutes counted as a whole day, then you are wrong, but it that's how you count, then go ahead. But tell me two things.

For just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. (Matt. 12:40 ESV)
My first question: Are you as cleaver at counting nights as you are at counting days? How do you fit 3 nights between Friday evening and Sunday morning?

When the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, so that they might go and anoint him. (Mark 16:1 ESV)

Then they returned and prepared spices and ointments. On the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment. (Luke 23:56 ESV)

The women couldn't have bought the spices on a Sabbath, because nobody would have been selling them that day. Mark says they bought the spices the day after the Sabbath, and Luke tells us that they rested on the Sabbath after they bought the spices. So, my second question to you is: How do you fit two Sabbaths with a work day between them between Friday and Sunday?

The TOG
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the torah and its specific ways of doing this for feasts have such depth. I need to get more into this.
 
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