Did John personally see and Hear the revelation

[Ed the Ned]

In Revelation did John just recieve a vision of what was to come or did he personally see and hear the end times? If it was something he personally saw would that not dispute the symbolism in the interpretation of Revelation. I' will use this as an example: from Revelation 7 vs 9: After this I Lookedand behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands, and crying out with a loud voice. "Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne and to the lamb.

The point I have is he saw the multitude of people and he heard them crying with a loud voice. This has to be an actual event in the future as it has not happened in the passed.

 

[Matthew24:34]

In Revelation did John just recieve a vision of what was to come or did he personally see and hear the end times? If it was something he personally saw would that not dispute the symbolism in the interpretation of Revelation. I' will use this as an example: from Revelation 7 vs 9: After this I Lookedand behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands, and crying out with a loud voice. "Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne and to the lamb.

The point I have is he saw the multitude of people and he heard them crying with a loud voice. This has to be an actual event in the future as it has not happened in the passed.

Greetings, Ed the Ned: Did Daniel "see" the visions given to him? Did he not have to have the symbols he saw explained to him? Did John see a literal beast in his vision? Did he see a literal Jesus with a sword coming out of his mouth? Did John count the 144,000 so he would know the exact number and did he take the time to ascertain that they all had His name written on their foreheads? Did he see a literal dragon with seven heads and a woman clothed with the literal sun, with the moon under her feet and twelve literal stars about her head? Are all of these things to still literally take place?

Matthew24:34

 

[Lee100]

Was John actually in the spirit, it is quite simple, Rev 1:10 On the Lord’s Day I was in the Spirit,

This means that he was not literally there but only seeing visions given to him by God.

 

[Ed the Ned]

Hi Matthew, The reason I am asking these questions is to get clarity for myself as I am learning about the book of revelation. In Revelation one vs 2 It is written. "who bore witness to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw."
It is my observation in the book of Daniel that Dainiel saw visions and then had these visions explained to him, but in the book of Revelation John hears the exact words that are being said. You asked the question. "Did John count the 144000 so he would know the exact number?" In Revelation chapetr 7 it reads "and I heard the number of the sealed, 144000, sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel.
Lee100, thanks for your answer, but it still does not answer my question. I am interested to know if John personally saw future events happening whether in spirit or body.

 

[researcher]

I am interested to know if John personally saw future events happening whether in spirit or body.

In the Spirit. He saw a vision. It wouldn't be like seeing something in person. It would be supernatural, and, light. God is light. Usually His revelations will be with light. Not the kind from the sun either. Lol. ;) :D

 

[Ed the Ned]

In Revelation 10 vs 10 it states."and I took the little scroll from the hand of the angel and ate it". If Revelation was only a vision, did he see himself eat it or did he eat it as if he were present. he carried on to say. "it was sweet as honey in my mouth, but when I had eaten it my stomach was made bitter"
Maybe I am reading this wrong. Was Johns vision the same type of vision that Daniel had or was this a different type of vision. Maybe someone could clarify this for me.

 

[Vic C.]

Hi Ed,

Have you any experience in creative writing? Have you ever had a dream so vivid, you could sit down and write about it in such a very descriptive way? I'm certain this is what John experienced. We must also keep in mind that 1 st. century apocalyptic style writing is really alien to us in the 21 st. century.

 

[Ed the Ned]

Thanks Vic.
I am still going through revelation and will look at this subject again a bit later. Thanks for your explanation.