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Did Man Walk With Dinosaurs?

AlexBC said:
True. That's the very reason I identify as agnostic atheist.

Well, having recently watched Prometheus i'm starting to wonder about the origin of life on earth:lol
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Well, the exclusion of a creator is one thing, we can't conclusively disprove one, I do refer to myself as an agnostic atheist, so That shows you where I sand on the whole issue of first cause,(which some argue that could come from nothing)

I just don't assume a creator, I assume a natural process.

Though there is not enough data for me to conclude God is Completely out of the picture, nor do I expect their to be.
 
The scriptural term for God is an absolute. Consequently there are false gods. So applying the correct understanding of what is meant by the term God in scripture means that all men, including atheists, believe in a god even if that god is the god of no gods, which of course is an oxymoron in reasoning.
 
Atothetheist said:
One of the problems with Carbon, abd Helium, and all of the other stuff the guy mentioned to you is the fact that Carbon decays rapidly, and you can only use the element to ACCURATLY date things into the thousands. It does not work for such things as finding out the age of the earth.

The magnetic field is easy, He assumes it was created when the earth was created, which is not an assumption you should make.

Helium dating is a method in which you can date water. So, if there was no water in the beginning, then obviously the dates were messed up.

Nt to mention the fact that scientists believe Water didn't form until
One billion years after the forming of the earth, and you can hardky call it water.
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You don't know what you are talking about.
 
Meatballsub said:
Then please, correct and explain why.
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Atothetheist said: "One of the problems with Carbon, abd Helium, and all of the other stuff the guy mentioned to you is the fact that Carbon decays rapidly, and you can only use the element to ACCURATLY date things into the thousands. It does not work for such things as finding out the age of the earth."

Carbon and Helium can be used to judge the age of the earth. I will create a new post called "The Age of the Earth" in which this can be discussed in more detail. To do so here is to continue going away from the OP.

Atothetheist said: "The magnetic field is easy, He assumes it was created when the earth was created, which is not an assumption you should make."

How would you know what I assume? I did not state what you are claiming; you have misrepresented me. You will have a chance to explain when exactly the Earth's Magnetic field was "created". I will explain how it can be used as a method of dating the earth.

Atothetheist said: "Helium dating is a method in which you can date water. So, if there was no water in the beginning, then obviously the dates were messed up."

This is another reason why I said "You do not know what you are talking about." Helium diffusion in the atmosphere can be used to date the crust; as Helium escapes from the rock in the form of Alpha decay and gathers in the atmosphere.

http://www.creationresearch.org/crsq/articles/41/41_1/Helium.htm

I will go into these subjects in more detail in the appropriate thread. I hope this helps.

Tri
 
Tri Unity said:
Atothetheist said: "The magnetic field is easy, He assumes it was created when the earth was created, which is not an assumption you should make."

How would you know what I assume? I did not state what you are claiming; you have misrepresented me. You will have a chance to explain when exactly the Earth's Magnetic field was "created". I will explain how it can be used as a method of dating the earth.

Atothetheist said: "Helium dating is a method in which you can date water. So, if there was no water in the beginning, then obviously the dates were messed up."

This is another reason why I said "You do not know what you are talking about." Helium diffusion in the atmosphere can be used to date the crust; as Helium escapes from the rock in the form of Alpha decay and gathers in the atmosphere.

http://www.creationresearch.org/crsq/articles/41/41_1/Helium.htm

I will go into these subjects in more detail in the appropriate thread. I hope this helps.

Tri
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After reading some of the stuff you gave me about RATE's work it strikes me that there was a very strong likelihood of contamination of rock samples they used to back up Helium diffusion. There was a substantial amount of time between boring and testing and some very questionable methods of storage.

I think it also seemed unclear on the nature of Helium3 and Helium 4 as it pertains to the findings.

I'm not outright saying it invalidates that evidence but it makes me quite skeptical of it.

As for the Magnetic field, it seems that the science supporting the Biblical age of the Earth rests on outdated models for the decay rate of the magnetic field. However, I think i'm right in thinking that so little is currently known about the Geodynamo that both sides are at a stalemate as to the issue of using the magnetic field to date the Earth.
 
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AlexBC said:
After reading some of the stuff you gave me about RATE's work it strikes me that there was a very strong likelihood of contamination of rock samples they used to back up Helium diffusion. There was a substantial amount of time between boring and testing and some very questionable methods of storage.

I think it also seemed unclear on the nature of Helium3 and Helium 4 as it pertains to the findings.

I'm not outright saying it invalidates that evidence but it makes me quite skeptical of it.

As for the Magnetic field, it seems that the science supporting the Biblical age of the Earth rests on outdated models for the decay rate of the magnetic field. However, I think i'm right in thinking that so little is currently known about the Geodynamo that both sides are at a stalemate as to the issue of using the magnetic field to date the Earth.
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I am glad to see that you appear to be a genuine researcher. The weakness in the arguments can be overcome with a little more exploring. The views in the links are not my entire explanation; they simply cover the overall objective in a limited way (IMO). I will be happy to explore each one of these methods individually in more detail if another thread gets approved.

Tri
 
Tri Unity said:
I am glad to see that you appear to be a genuine researcher. The weakness in the arguments can be overcome with a little more exploring. The views in the links are not my entire explanation; they simply cover the overall objective in a limited way (IMO). I will be happy to explore each one of these methods individually in more detail if another thread gets approved.

Tri
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Yeah, that'd be great.
 
AlexBC said:
Yeah, that'd be great.
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I will probably try to start unique threads on each subject to avoid jumping all over the place. For instance:

  • The Age of the Earth - Helium diffusion
  • The Age of the Earth - Salt deposits
  • The Age of the Earth - Depth of marine sediment
  • The Age of the Earth - Earth's Magnetic Field
...and so on. I need permission to post under science; otherwise I will see where the threads can be best started.

Tri
 
Tri Unity said:
I will probably try to start unique threads on each subject to avoid jumping all over the place. For instance:

  • The Age of the Earth - Helium diffusion
  • The Age of the Earth - Salt deposits
  • The Age of the Earth - Depth of marine sediment
  • The Age of the Earth - Earth's Magnetic Field
...and so on. I need permission to post under science; otherwise I will see where the threads can be best started.

Tri
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Cool. I'll have to see about my permission to post in the science forum as mine seems to have expired/been revoked. I think it may have something to do with the one infraction I managed to get:lol
 
Tri Unity said:
Atothetheist said: "One of the problems with Carbon, abd Helium, and all of the other stuff the guy mentioned to you is the fact that Carbon decays rapidly, and you can only use the element to ACCURATLY date things into the thousands. It does not work for such things as finding out the age of the earth."

Carbon and Helium can be used to judge the age of the earth. I will create a new post called "The Age of the Earth" in which this can be discussed in more detail. To do so here is to continue going away from the OP.

Atothetheist said: "The magnetic field is easy, He assumes it was created when the earth was created, which is not an assumption you should make."

How would you know what I assume? I did not state what you are claiming; you have misrepresented me. You will have a chance to explain when exactly the Earth's Magnetic field was "created". I will explain how it can be used as a method of dating the earth.

Atothetheist said: "Helium dating is a method in which you can date water. So, if there was no water in the beginning, then obviously the dates were messed up."

This is another reason why I said "You do not know what you are talking about." Helium diffusion in the atmosphere can be used to date the crust; as Helium escapes from the rock in the form of Alpha decay and gathers in the atmosphere.

http://www.creationresearch.org/crsq/articles/41/41_1/Helium.htm

I will go into these subjects in more detail in the appropriate thread. I hope this helps.

Tri
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Right, I am very sorry for misrepresenting you, It was on accident, I promise.

Anyways, I will read whatever you linked me and search for other sources on the information.

My science permission has been revoked as well.

Would you mind if you forgive me for mistaking this. I will leave the post as is, to remain as honest as I can, but I should have known better.

Sorry,

Steven.
 
Atothetheist said:
Right, I am very sorry for misrepresenting you, It was on accident, I promise.

Anyways, I will read whatever you linked me and search for other sources on the information.

My science permission has been revoked as well.

Would you mind if you forgive me for mistaking this. I will leave the post as is, to remain as honest as I can, but I should have known better.

Sorry,

Steven.
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That's ok. You (and the other atheist positions here) are generally respectful of others considering the wide gap between positions. It would still be a good discussion that might be of assisstance to others here as well.

Tri
 
Dinosaur just means giant lizard...we still have some around...

Then there are fossils alleged to be from the Heidelberg era that are very human

Peking man had a mixture of human and ape fossils (which the Darwinians mixed together)

Java mans ape skullcap was found near a human femur (and later at the same site Dubois team found 2 human skulls)

But my favorite is the find of the Leaky's at the Olduvian gorge

stone tools. a monolithic structure, and footprints that lack the separated big toe or rear thumb common to ape-kind

many things can be seen as evidence of humans early on if we let the data speak for itself, but if we preconceive the conclusion based on the "theory" (tht no humans existed at that time) then we cannot see the forest through the trees

Paul
 
In the beginning GOD Created the heavens and the earth. 2 points.
1. It says GOD Created it. not when or how. the question is not how old is it, the question is DO YOU BELIEVE GOD DID IT??
2. Proof for GOD. IF God created the earth and the earth Is Here, then that means God is Real. Romans 1:19-20

Just a thought
 
RevSRE said:
In the beginning GOD Created the heavens and the earth. 2 points.
1. It says GOD Created it. not when or how. the question is not how old is it, the question is DO YOU BELIEVE GOD DID IT??
2. Proof for GOD. IF God created the earth and the earth Is Here, then that means God is Real. Romans 1:19-20

Just a thought
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I believe it...
 
Here are some examples of scripture speaking about dinosaurs and dragons.

Job 40:15-18, 23 behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox. Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly. He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together. His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron. Behold, he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth.

Job 41 Canst thou draw out leviathan with an hook? or his tongue with a cord which thou lettest down? None is so fierce that dare stir him up: who then is able to stand before me?... I will not conceal his parts, nor his power, nor his comely proportion.... Who can open the doors of his face? his teeth are terrible round about. His scales are his pride, shut up together as with a close seal. One is so near to another, that no air can come between them. They are joined one to another, they stick together, that they cannot be sundered.... Out of his mouth go burning lamps, and sparks of fire leap out. Out of his nostrils goeth smoke, as out of a seething pot or caldron. His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth. In his neck remaineth strength, and sorrow is turned into joy before him. The flakes of his flesh are joined together: they are firm in themselves; they cannot be moved. His heart is as firm as a stone; yea, as hard as a piece of the nether millstone. When he raiseth up himself, the mighty are afraid: by reason of breakings they purify themselves. The sword of him that layeth at him cannot hold: the spear, the dart, nor the habergeon. He esteemeth iron as straw, and brass as rotten wood. The arrow cannot make him flee: slingstones are turned with him into stubble. Darts are counted as stubble: he laugheth at the shaking of a spear. Sharp stones are under him: he spreadeth sharp pointed things upon the mire. He maketh the deep to boil like a pot: he maketh the sea like a pot of ointment. He maketh a path to shine after him; one would think the deep to be hoary. Upon earth there is not his like, who is made without fear. He beholdeth all high things: he is a king over all the children of pride.

(also see: Psa 74:14, Psa 104:26, Isa 27:1)


The Bible also talks about dragons. I believe that these were dinosaurs:

Isa 27:1 In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.

Isa 51:9 Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD; awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut Rahab, and wounded the dragon?

Deu 32:33 Their wine is the poison of dragons, and the cruel venom of asps.

Job 30:29 I am a brother to dragons, and a companion to owls.

Psa 44:19 Though thou hast sore broken us in the place of dragons, and covered us with the shadow of death.

Psa 74:13 Thou didst divide the sea by thy strength: thou brakest the heads of the dragons in the waters. (and Psa 148:7)

Isa 34:13 And thorns shall come up in her palaces, nettles and brambles in the fortresses thereof: and it shall be an habitation of dragons, and a court for owls.

Isa 35:7 And the parched ground shall become a pool, and the thirsty land springs of water: in the habitation of dragons, where each lay, shall be grass with reeds and rushes.

Isa 43:20 The beast of the field shall honour me, the dragons and the owls: because I give waters in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert, to give drink to my people, my chosen.

Jer 9:11 And I will make Jerusalem heaps, and a den of dragons; and I will make the cities of Judah desolate, without an inhabitant.

Jer 10:22 Behold, the noise of the bruit is come, and a great commotion out of the north country, to make the cities of Judah desolate, and a den of dragons. (and Jer 14:6)

Jer 49:33 And Hazor shall be a dwelling for dragons, and a desolation for ever: there shall no man abide there, nor any son of man dwell in it. (and Jer 51:37)

Micah 1:8 Therefore I will wail and howl, I will go stripped and naked: I will make a wailing like the dragons, and mourning as the owls.


Mal 1:3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
 
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