Did Mary consent to our salvation?

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I no longer go with the unbiblical.
Joseph is dead, and awaits the day of resurrection.

Matthew 22:32
I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

Jn 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

 

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That name is Jesus Christ.
Are you not a trinitarian ?
Three in one ?

Yes divinity of christ
Yes holy trinity

The apostolic church has always been Christ centered but trinitarian in form!

 

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I reject all accommodation for sin.
Only sinners seek out those accommodations, and none of them will find their name in the book of life on the day of judgement..

You somehow think you are exempt from sin?

 

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I agree.
It is the non-Christians that esteem metal, beads, and wood.

Only what they represent

 

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I agree.
It is the non-Christians that esteem metal, beads, and wood.

What is the 2nd commandment?

 

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I'll ask again..."Why go through alleged saints when we can go directly to God ?
"Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need." (Heb 4:16)"

Christ became man, he obeys his own commandments

His answer in Jn 2 is a resounding NO! But he still does the Miracle.
Why!
Because greater of a greater commandment “honor Thy father and mother”!

He cannot say no to Her!

Jn 2:11 because of Her intercession the disciples believed on him.

And Mary found our salvation that Adam lost! Lk 1:30

 

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Anything that accommodates sin is "without faith".

Antinomianism heresy: The belief that Christians are not bound by God’s law and are free to sin as they please; That Jesus' prevents them from the guilt of sin.

 

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You seem to worship beads and pictures.
I really hope not !

Prayer veneration devotion are not worship and include no intention to worship

 

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It is not the great white throne but the throne of grace, Mary’s throne!
Mary is the treasury of divine grace! Lk 1:28 full of grace!

I am sure glad I don't believe that idolatrous stuff anymore.

 

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Antinomianism heresy: The belief that Christians are not bound by God’s law and are free to sin as they please; That Jesus' prevents them from the guilt of sin.

Doesn't that encapsulate catholicism ?
Confession on Saturday and communion on Sunday ?
Over and over and over again ?

 

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Prayer veneration devotion are not worship and include no intention to worship

Is spitting in your beads a sacrilege ?

 

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Matthew 22:32
I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

Jn 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

Those that commit sin don't believe in Him.
If they did, their fear would preclude any more sinning.

 

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Yes divinity of christ
Yes holy trinity

The apostolic church has always been Christ centered but trinitarian in form!

If they are "Christ centered", why do they keep committing sin ?

 

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You somehow think you are exempt from sin?

Not exempt, but equipt to resist every temptation to commit sin.
Don't you love God enough to say "NO" to every temptation ?

 

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Only what they represent

Is it a sacrilege to spit on them ?

 

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What is the 2nd commandment?

It is written..."And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these." (Mark 12:31)

 

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Christ became man, he obeys his own commandments

That didn't answer my question.

His answer in Jn 2 is a resounding NO! But he still does the Miracle.
Why!
Because greater of a greater commandment “honor Thy father and mother”!

He cannot say no to Her!

Jn 2:11 because of Her intercession the disciples believed on him.

And Mary found our salvation that Adam lost! Lk 1:30

Idolatry.

 

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Christian meditation on the passion and death of Christ!

Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

Stations of the cross:

1st Jesus is Condemned to Death.
2nd Jesus Carries the Cross.
3rd Jesus Falls for the First Time.
4th Jesus Meets His Mother.
5th Simon of Cyrene Helps Jesus Carry His Cross.
6th Veronica Wipes the Face of
7th Jesus Falls a Second Time.

8th Jesus Meets the Women
9th Jesus Falls a Third Time
10th Jesus is Stripped of His Garments
11th Jesus is Nailed to the Cross
12th Jesus Dies on the Cross
(3 pm Christ died on Good Friday)
13th Jesus’ Body is Removed from the Cross
14th Jesus is Laid in the Tomb

Sorrowful Mother
“At the cross Her station keeping, stood the mournful mother weeping, close to Jesus to the last”!

Jn 2:4 “my hour”
Lk 2:35 (Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.

Passion of Christ begins at 9pm on Holy Thursday when He enters the garden, prayer and offering, betrayed, dragged away and abused and false accusations and trials, then early in the morning to Pilate, with scourging and crowning with thorns, then presented to the people, condemned to death, carrying the cross until stripped of His garments opening His wounds and shedding his blood anew He is crucified at noon, dies at 3pm then laid in the arms of His sorrowful mother, then the tomb.

 

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A litany is an ancient form of prayer

To honor the price of our salvation!
“the lives of the saints are replete with devotion to the precious blood of Jesus.”!

Lord, have mercy on us.
Christ, have mercy on us.
Lord, have mercy on us.Christ, hear us.
Christ, graciously hear us.

God, the Father of Heaven, have mercy on us.
God the Son, Redeemer of the world, have mercy on us.
God, the Holy Spirit, have mercy on us.
Holy Trinity, One God, have mercy on us.

Blood of Christ, only-begotten Son
of the Eternal Father, save us. (after each line)
Blood of Christ, Incarnate Word of God,
Blood of Christ, of the New and Eternal Testament,
Blood of Christ, falling upon the earth in the Agony,
Blood of Christ, shed profusely in the Scourging,
Blood of Christ, flowing forth in the Crowning with Thorns,
Blood of Christ, poured out on the Cross,
Blood of Christ, price of our salvation,
Blood of Christ, without which there is no forgiveness,
Blood of Christ, Eucharistic drink and refreshment of souls,
Blood of Christ, stream of mercy,
Blood of Christ, victor over demons,
Blood of Christ, courage of martyrs,
Blood of Christ, strength of confessors,
Blood of Christ, bringing forth virgins,
Blood of Christ, help of those in peril,
Blood of Christ, relief of the burdened,
Blood of Christ, solace in sorrow,
Blood of Christ, hope of the penitent,
Blood of Christ, consolation of the dying,
Blood of Christ, peace and tenderness of hearts,
Blood of Christ, pledge of Eternal Life,
Blood of Christ, freeing souls from purgatory,
Blood of Christ, most worthy of all glory and honor,

Lamb of God, Who takest away the sins of the world,
Spare us, O Lord.
Lamb of God, Who takest away the sins of the world,
Graciously hear us, O Lord.
Lamb of God, Who takest away the sins of the world,
Have mercy on us.

V. Thou hast redeemed us, O Lord, in Thy Blood.
R. And made us, for our God, a kingdom.

Let us pray:
Almighty and eternal God, Thou hast appointed Thine only-begotten Son the Redeemer of the world and willed to be appeased by his blood. Grant, we beg of Thee, that we may worthily adore this price of our salvation and through its power be safeguarded from the evils of the present life so that we may rejoice in its fruits forever in heaven. Through the same Christ our Lord. Amen.

 

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I am sure glad I don't believe that idolatrous stuff anymore.

Why would you assume a throne includes worship?

Honor of Mary!

Christ shares His glory with His saints.

Jn 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

Rom 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, (Lk1:45)

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Romans 8:30
Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

2 Thessalonians 1:10
When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

1 pet 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:


Rom 13:7 honor Mary!

Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

Lk 1:48 “all generations (Christians) shall call me blessed”!

If a man Honors his wife, and asks her to help him, and is Devoted to her, and gives her Veneration he MUST be worshipping her including adoration! Right?

Praise of Mary and the saints redounds to the glory of God and Christ, cos Mary and the saints are what God made them, it is His handiwork (Lk 1:49 Lk 1:28) and the graces they have received come from the merits of Christ’s passion and death. Jesus Christ is the source of all grace! Jn 1:16-17

Likewise an Attack on Mary and the saints, or the authority of the apostles or the apostolic church or the truths and doctrines revealed by Christ and taught by His one, holy, catholic & apostolic church is an attack on God and on Christ! And His teaching authority in the church by the successors of the apostles!
Acts 9:4 Eph 5:32

2 Thessalonians 1:10
When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.


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Worship of Mary?

Mary is not God!
Mary is not a goddess!
Mary is not an idol!
Mary is not an object of worship!


Only God may be lawfully worshipped!

Worship requires intent
& consent!

Worship includes;

Offering of sacrifice:
Adoration:
Propitiatory reparation:
Petition / prayer
Thanksgiving

Prayer alone is not worship!
Thanksgiving alone is not worship!
Honor is not worship!
Veneration is not worship!
Love / devotion / dedication is not worship!

It’s not idolatry!
Mary is not an idol or a goddess!

We also pray God in the name of Jesus to crush all idols, and to destroy idolatry forever!

The church has always opposed idolatry!