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[_ Old Earth _] Did The Flood Cause A Continental Drift

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It looks like South America was once a part of Africa. I do know that, to make the water subside after the flood God made changes to the earth by pushing up land and lowering land in certain places to cause the water to allow land to appear again.
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Continental drift is the movement of the Earth's continents relative to each other. The hypothesis that continents 'drift' was first put forward by Abraham Ortelius in 1596 and was fully developed by Alfred Wegener in 1912. However, it was not until the development of the theory of plate tectonics in the 1960s, that a sufficient geological explanation of that movement was found.
Evidence that continents 'drift'


Fossil patterns across continents (Gondwanaland).



Mesosaurus skeleton, MacGregor, 1908.


For more details on this topic, see Plate tectonics.
Evidence for continental drift is now extensive. Similar plant and animal fossils are found around different continent shores, suggesting that they were once joined. The fossils of Mesosaurus, a freshwater reptile rather like a small crocodile, found both in Brazil and South Africa, are one example; another is the discovery of fossils of the land reptile Lystrosaurus from rocks of the same age from locations in South America, Africa, and Antarctica.[ There is also living evidence — the same animals being found on two continents. Some earthworm families (e.g.: Ocnerodrilidae, Acanthodrilidae, Octochaetidae) are found in South America and Africa, for instance.
The complementary arrangement of the facing sides of South America and Africa is obvious, but is a temporary coincidence. In millions of years, slab pull and ridge-push, and other forces of tectonophysics will further separate and rotate those two continents. It was this temporary feature which inspired Wegener to study what he defined as continental drift, although he did not live to see his hypothesis become generally accepted.
Widespread distribution of Permo-Carboniferous glacial sediments in South America, Africa, Madagascar, Arabia, India, Antarctica and Australia was one of the major pieces of evidence for the theory of continental drift. The continuity of glaciers, inferred from oriented glacial striations and deposits called tillites, suggested the existence of the supercontinent of Gondwana, which became a central element of the concept of continental drift. Striations indicated glacial flow away from the equator and toward the poles, in modern coordinates, and supported the idea that the southern continents had previously been in dramatically different locations, as well as contiguous with each other.
Continental drift - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
It looks like South America was once a part of Africa. I do know that, to make the water subside after the flood God made changes to the earth by pushing up land and lowering land in certain places to cause the water to allow land to appear again....

Your references and info are interesting, but don't really seem to fit with this idea. What is your point in posting this?
 
Yeah most flood theories, that couple with a YEC view, conclude that the flood would have torn the land into the continents we have today. Cannot think of the theory but I have a very good one that is ridiculously well researched. Uh, I'll find it for you...
 
I will be . . . to the point.

Since there was no global flood, . . . NO, continental drift was not caused by it. :)
 
Prove it.
Usually, the burden of proof rests with the person making the positive claim, in this case that a global flood of biblical proportions occurred within historical times. However, that said, all those 19th Century clergymen-scientists and others who went looking for evidence of Noah's flood and came to the conclusion that none existed must carry some weight in the discussion.
 
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Prove it.

The date usually given for the "Noah flood event" is contrary to known historical fact, . . .according to those who are in various fields, such as archeology, geology, paleontology, anthropology, ... [perhaps others].

But yeah, . . . the proof that there WAS a global flood is on the one making the claim.
 
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Proof of a global flood



Proof of Noah’s Flood at the Black Sea?
http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/4168.asp


Is there any evidence for a global flood?


There is much evidence for a global flood including evidence from geology, archaeology, ancient legends, catastrophism trademarks, biblical consistency, evidence of Noah’s ark, and from Jesus Christ Himself. The worldwide flood, the biblical story and the evidence fit together perfectly.

In general, the credibility of the worldwide flood story in the Bible is supported by unrelated facts that support the truth of the Bible. In recent years, much archaeological evidence has been found that supports the truth of many facts documented in the Bible. Also, Jesus, God in the flesh, completely supported the truth of the Old Testament and quoted it often.

The climate in the pre-flood era was different than after the flood. Before the flood, it may have never rained and instead, a mist watered the surface of the earth. The climate was warm and moderate, which was favorable to plant and animal life from pole to pole. Evidence of high concentrations of bones found all over the globe is consistent with what would be expected from a tropical, lush, pre-flood environment and a catastrophic worldwide flood. Some of these areas include Agate Nebraska, a cave of San Ciro in Sicily, ossiferous fissures in England and Western Europe, including the Rock of Gibraltar and Santenay in central France.

The only possible explanation for most fossils is rapid deposition from a catastrophic event. The worldwide flood is the only satisfactory explanation for the evidence. The uniformitarianism philosophy that was made popular by evolutionists 150 years ago cannot explain the fossil evidence. Additional evidence that completely supports catastrophism and recent deposition are discoveries in the polar-regions where animals are left standing with undigested food in their stomachs.

Oceanographers took core samples of sediments in the Gulf of Mexico that included fossils shells from one-celled plankton called foraminifera and made an interesting discovery. They discovered that at locations in the core samples that represent thousands of years ago, the salinity in the water was suddenly reduced based upon the shells locked-in permanent record of the conditions. This reduction in salinity could only be caused by a huge fresh water deluge.

There is much archaeological evidence confirming the Flood of Noah. There is a tablet in Babylon on which one of the Babylonian kings mentions his enjoyment in reading the writings of those who lived before the Flood. Another Babylonian tablet gives an interesting confirmation. Noah was the tenth generation from Adam according to the Bible, and this Babylonian tablet names the ten kings of Babylon who lived before the Flood. Another tablet names all the kings of Babylon, and after the first ten there are the words: “The Deluge came up. . .”

Stories of the Nochian Flood have been found in almost every civilization in the world. Dr. Aaron Smith of the University of Greensboro collected a complete history of the literature on Noah’s Ark. He found 80,000 works in 72 languages about the flood. About 70,000 of them mention the wreckage of the Ark.
Global Flood


 
Here, just copy and paste it:

creationscience.com/onlinebook/


It's the guy's entire book. Lots of reading, but it's well done for an online book and so it has a lot of hyperlinks and search features.

For any evolutionist who has credentials in the field, the guy is offering a reward for anyone who can beat him in a neutrally moderated, academic debate. Thus far he has not lost...
 
Is there any evidence for a global flood?

There is much evidence for a global flood including evidence from geology, archaeology, ancient legends, catastrophism trademarks, biblical consistency, evidence of Noah’s ark, and from Jesus Christ Himself. The worldwide flood, the biblical story and the evidence fit together perfectly.

In general, the credibility of the worldwide flood story in the Bible is supported by unrelated facts that support the truth of the Bible. In recent years, much archaeological evidence has been found that supports the truth of many facts documented in the Bible.
That some stories in the Bible may have some historical basis and archaeological evidence behind them does not mean that all stories in the Bible are immediately validated, any more than the historical actuality of the American Civil War and the burning of Atlanta are evidence that Rhett Butler and Scarlett O'Hara are historically existing individuals.
Also, Jesus, God in the flesh, completely supported the truth of the Old Testament and quoted it often.
At best, we have second-hand accounts of this and it depends anyway upon supposing that Christ meant that all parts of the Old Testament should be taken literally.
The climate in the pre-flood era was different than after the flood. Before the flood, it may have never rained and instead, a mist watered the surface of the earth. The climate was warm and moderate, which was favorable to plant and animal life from pole to pole.
What physical evidence supports these assumptions? You also seem to be assuming that there was a flood for the climate to be 'pre' to.
Evidence of high concentrations of bones found all over the globe is consistent with what would be expected from a tropical, lush, pre-flood environment...
Why? Don't animals live 'all over the globe' today? And what do you mean by 'high concentrations'?
...and a catastrophic worldwide flood.
Why are the bones evidence of this?
Some of these areas include Agate Nebraska, a cave of San Ciro in Sicily, ossiferous fissures in England and Western Europe, including the Rock of Gibraltar and Santenay in central France.
These limited examples scarcely support the claim of 'high concentrations of bones found all over the globe'.
The only possible explanation for most fossils is rapid deposition from a catastrophic event. The worldwide flood is the only satisfactory explanation for the evidence.
Why is this the 'only possible explanation'? Assume all the fossils known are the result of rapid burial during a flood (they aren't, by the way). Why would this be evidence of a single global flood rather than multiple local ones separated over time? How easy would it be to separate the New Orleans, Pakistan and Australian floods from each other in time if they had occurred, say, 4,000 years ago?
The uniformitarianism philosophy that was made popular by evolutionists 150 years ago cannot explain the fossil evidence.
Well, as uniformitarianism as it was espoused by geologists 150 years ago is no longer the prevailing understanding of how Earth's surface was shaped (gradual processes punctuated by periodic catastrophic events), your point is not really relevant. Geologists and palaeontologists are eminently capable of explaining the fossil evidence today.
Additional evidence that completely supports catastrophism and recent deposition are discoveries in the polar-regions where animals are left standing with undigested food in their stomachs.
Can you cite references for these discoveries? Why are apparently local catastrophic events (widely accepted by geologists) evidence of a single global flood occurring in historical times?
Oceanographers took core samples of sediments in the Gulf of Mexico that included fossils shells from one-celled plankton called foraminifera and made an interesting discovery. They discovered that at locations in the core samples that represent thousands of years ago, the salinity in the water was suddenly reduced based upon the shells locked-in permanent record of the conditions. This reduction in salinity could only be caused by a huge fresh water deluge.
How is this evidence of a single global flood occurring in historical times?
There is much archaeological evidence confirming the Flood of Noah. There is a tablet in Babylon on which one of the Babylonian kings mentions his enjoyment in reading the writings of those who lived before the Flood. Another Babylonian tablet gives an interesting confirmation. Noah was the tenth generation from Adam according to the Bible, and this Babylonian tablet names the ten kings of Babylon who lived before the Flood. Another tablet names all the kings of Babylon, and after the first ten there are the words: “The Deluge came up. . .”
Can you cite the source for the information on these tablets? How are these tablets evidence of a single global flood occurring in historical times rather than evidence of local floods?
Stories of the Nochian Flood have been found in almost every civilization in the world. Dr. Aaron Smith of the University of Greensboro collected a complete history of the literature on Noah’s Ark. He found 80,000 works in 72 languages about the flood. About 70,000 of them mention the wreckage of the Ark.
Can you actually reference Smith's work? As it stands, this is just anecdotal. How many of these '80,000 works', for example, show signs of cultural contamination or overlap?
 
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Here, just copy and paste it:

creationscience.com/onlinebook/


It's the guy's entire book. Lots of reading, but it's well done for an online book and so it has a lot of hyperlinks and search features.
Walter Brown puts forward a whole raft of ideas about the hydroplate mechanism that seem to require an inordinate amount of miraculous interventions to make them 'work' at all, miraculous interventions that he does not seem to acknowledge as far as I am aware. For example, I am not aware that he proposes any mechanism for dealing with the massive heat his more than idiosyncratic ideas about the legendary flood require. Amongst other things, he proposes the fountains of the deep erupting with the force of 1500 trillion (yes, trillion) 1 MT hydrogen bombs. Even simple arithmetic tells you that this amounts to the equivalent of 3000 1 MT bombs for every square kilometre of earth's surface; if the 'fountains of the deep' erupted for 40 days, that's 70+ 1 MT bomb-equivalents per square kilometre per day. On top of this Wally proposes that the fountains of the deep are responsible for comets, ejecting water into space at escape velocities (apparently paying no attention to the frictional effects of the atmosphere and orbital mechanics). Oh, and while they were busy ejecting water into space, the fountains of the deep were also busy ejecting mud and rocks which helpfully went on to form the asteroids (also without being affected by atmospheric friction and orbital mechanics). And these are just three examples of the farrago of pseudoscientific nonsense that the 'hydroplate theory' amounts to. If you can direct me to any point where Wally actually deals with the implications for Earth of the heat transfer consequent upon the eccentric ideas he puts forward, I would be happy to consider it.
For any evolutionist who has credentials in the field, the guy is offering a reward for anyone who can beat him in a neutrally moderated, academic debate. Thus far he has not lost...
As to Brown's 'debate' offer, if you read it you will see that it is hedged round by so many preconditions that one doubts he wants to debate anyone at all. If Brown is seriously interested in debating, he can present his views in one of the many online boards dealing with such issues, but he is conspicuous by his absence.
 
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Good posts, lordkalvan. It is amazing that people STILL follow these completely unsubstatiatable claims that these church speakers give to an audience LOOKING for a reason to still believe in a Noah flood. Let these guys give a lecture in front of a group of ACTUAL scientists and see how far he gets.

Here's something I would like to comment on:

Additional evidence that completely supports catastrophism and recent deposition are discoveries in the polar-regions where animals are left standing with undigested food in their stomachs.

I have heard this "...left standing with undigested food....." since the 1980's. I would ALSO like to see documentation of this. Even if it were true, it STILL would not "only be explained by a Noah flood event, ~4,400 years ago".
 
I find it slightly ironic how so many try to use a simplistic understanding of natural processes to support their chosen ideal of an unnecessarily unnatural 'magic' interpretation of scripture.
 
Millions of years ago this world was called Pangaea. Plate tectonics and such gradually caused the plates to move over millions of millions of years.
 
Interesting...

What would we expect to find in a world wide flood? Wouldn't we expect to see perfectly preserved fossils across the globe, and as the picture Lewis posted, wouldn't we see the same fossils in strategic places on each continent?

Why does the Grand Canyon have sediment that came from PA, and why does NY have sediment that came from Europe? Wouldn't we expect to see this from a global catastrophie that happened in a relative short period of time?
 

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