Dishonest Gain

[Corn Pop]

Do you think when someone puts a price tag on an item that is more than what its really worth is dishonest gain?

Like if you wanted to sell your car and knew it was worth about 2000 and put 3000 on it and sold it, thats dishonest gain? As you know in your heart you made more off someone that knew less, and ripped them off. Or is that fair deal?

And like food and clothes and everything every product says quality, but its not, dishonest gain. I mean, you dont see a product that says crap quality we use cheap stuff, no honest gain, you can probably buy dog food that says quality on the label. lol.

Im just interested to know how far to the point what people would call 'dishonest gain'.

 

[Eugene]

Good morning, at least here Brother kiwidan. Conscience plays a big part of our spiritual makeup, and we know in our heart what is right, or at least we should. Your words betray you as being a good guy wanting to please God, else the thought would not have come to mind.

1 Cor 6:12 All things are lawful unto me (We are seen by our Father in the new nature of Christ), but all things are not expedient (Good for me): all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

Heb 13:18 Pray for us: for we trust we have a good conscience, in all things willing to live honestly.

 

[Cygnus]

Doesn't fully answer the question..but has something to say about it:

Prov 11:1 A false balance is an abomination to the LORD, but a just weight is his delight.

 

[JohnDB]

Selling a $300 generator for $1,000 because the city has been hit by a natural disaster.... That's dishonest gain.

Selling a car which is barely going to make it off the lot before the transmission falls out but telling the buyer that there's nothing wrong with it is dishonest gain.

It's not selling anything for a high price that you got for a low price...
Otherwise we would have to put all the Patriarchs of the faith in jail...and God would have a lousy choice for friends.

 

[reba]

Some place in this discussion we need to understand the buyers responsibility.

 

[Eugene]

Some place in this discussion we need to understand the buyers responsibility.

Have you taken up the profession of a "Used Car Salesperson?"
Will that be your defence in court when sued? Good luck.

 

[Obadiah]

Quoted to preserve the Original Post;

Do you think when someone puts a price tag on an item that is more than what its really worth is dishonest gain?

Like if you wanted to sell your car and knew it was worth about 2000 and put 3000 on it and sold it, thats dishonest gain? As you know in your heart you made more off someone that knew less, and ripped them off. Or is that fair deal?

And like food and clothes and everything every product says quality, but its not, dishonest gain. I mean, you dont see a product that says crap quality we use cheap stuff, no honest gain, you can probably buy dog food that says quality on the label. lol.

Im just interested to know how far to the point what people would call 'dishonest gain'.

It seems like we had a similar thread to this maybe a year or so back. It's probably a good time to re-hash it so we can have a refreshing break from the flood of some of the other threads all discussing the same couple of topics into the thousands of posts!

Do you think when someone puts a price tag on an item that is more than what its really worth is dishonest gain?...

I think not if it's reasonably within the ball park of what others are charging for something the same or similar.

...Like if you wanted to sell your car and knew it was worth about 2000 and put 3000 on it and sold it, thats dishonest gain? As you know in your heart you made more off someone that knew less, and ripped them off. Or is that fair deal?...

I don't think that's always a dishonest gain. A well established principal of economy is that something is worth what people are willing to pay for it, no more, no less. The true value of a used car is something that is so subjective on so many levels that it's hard to know what a fair price really is. Just because I THINK the fair price is $2000 doesn't make it so. Since it's a common practice to put a higher price on something than you think it's worth and then negotiate with a buyer (talking about private sales, of course. You probably aren't going to try to negotiate the price of apples with the manager of a supermarket! At least this isn't the custom where I live) the buyer needs to be aware of this and have some idea of what the item is worth to them before just paying any old price for it. But still, value is only what we as individuals make it. Perhaps the seller believed the true value of the used car was only $2000 (to him), but to the buyer it really was worth $3000 or maybe even more for some reason that we can't know. The concept of ripping someone off in this example would only apply if the seller lied or purposely concealed important information. Did he change the odometer to show a much lower mileage than was true? Did he represent it as a newer model in hopes to find a buyer that didn't know better? Did he see that the person inquiring was very ignorant about cars so he raised the price just for that person thinking he would be able to get away with it? Those are just a few examples of what would be ripping someone off, but just putting a high price on something without misrepresenting any of the details about the thing being sold isn't ripping anyone off. The buyer has a responsibility to decide how much something is worth to them and has to be responsible to walk away if they consider the price to be too high.

The same thing applies to the buyer. If I find someone selling something overly cheap do I have a responsibility to pay them more because to me the item is worth more? Absolutely not. The seller had total freedom to put whatever price they wanted to put on it and there is nothing wrong with me buying it at that price.

...And like food and clothes and everything every product says quality, but its not, dishonest gain. I mean, you dont see a product that says crap quality we use cheap stuff, no honest gain, you can probably buy dog food that says quality on the label. lol...

Words like "quality" are completely subjective to the writers idea of what "quality" means. Every buyer has a responsibility to use the brain God gave them to know and understand this. To go back to your car example, if I grew up and live in a poor 3rd world country I might consider a brand new economy car built by Ford to be extremely high quality in my subjective opinion. But if I'm Donald Trump's daughter, raised in decadent luxury, quality is going to mean something more along the lines of a Rolls Royce. It's all relative and it's the responsibility of the buyer to realize this. You know boats. Saying the bow railing I'm selling you is a quality railing isn't ripping you off. Saying it is made out of quality stainless steel when it is actually normal steel is ripping you off.

 

[for_his_glory]

"Let the buyer beware"......................make your decision of what others are selling you as you check out that which you are about to buy. Never take someones word even if they seem honest as even Satan can appear as an angel of light!!!

 

[Wrg1405]

As Obadiah states it's a principle of economics. A willing seller and a willing buyer.
A seller will want to get as much as they can. Mind you a buyer will want to buy it for as little as possible.
So the reverse can apply from a buyers view point in that they may take advantage of the sellers situation.

Therefore the reverse can apply as has been my experience. My house was repossessed as a result of me not being able make payments for about three months, the bank were not willing to help so they threw me out. The house went to auction and it was sold for way way less than I paid for it and it left me with a debt of £40,000.

There are people who will take advantage of a sellers situation. I know of Christians who would do what happened to me.

That being said over here the saying is "Buyer beware" the only time dishonest gain can be challenged is when it is deemed to be a criminal event.

We are talking about dishonest gain in the terms of finances but it can be other things.

What about times when we sneak an extra 10 minutes for lunch when we are at work, or turn up late yet don't make that time up. Or when we are given too much change and keep it. I'm sure if we looked deeper we could find other areas where we gain as a result of not being totally honest.

 

[Not_Now.Soon]

Just before Jesus sent out his disciples to preach the Kingdom is near, in Mathew 10, Jesus gave them instructions, and warnings. Mathew 10:16 stands out to me with dishonest gain. In fact it seems to be the instruction for the disciples while warning them of far worse then dishonest gain. That they will be perscuted by being taken to the courts, flogged, dragged to governors and kings. But Jesus says in verse 16, "Behold, I am sending you out as sheep in the midst of wolves, so be wise as serpents and innocent as doves."

I think it's our duty to try and be fair in all ways, but even if we don't recieve the same, we are to be good. Treat others the way we would like to be treated, and don't return evil for evil, but conquor by doing good.

 

[Corn Pop]

I cannot dishonest gain. A few years ago I had my car for sale and I refused to sell it to two people because I knew it was not for them. They had the cash there and then but I i am sure the Spirit said dont sell it to these people, a man who wanted it for his daughter and her child, and another. So I ended up keeping it and it broke down on me 2 months later and the whole motor was stuffed, blown gasket and trans. Better to break down on me than a woman and her new born baby.

 

[JohnDB]

But then comes the times that there is no fixing the issue.

I buy groceries... Usually a lot of them as I cook most meals at home.

Once I was looking over a receipt and seen where I had bought a frozen pie. Usually the pie is $7-$9.
This time it was $2.
And we are weeks out from when I purchased it. The store is a big box store... All computerized.

Now how do I make this right?
I can't... Nor can the employees.

There's nothing anyone can do to fix it.

I intended to pay full price,
Their employees made the mistake in an office somewhere or the programming got messed up in transmission or reception...
Who knows.

So.
Nothing can be done.
Is that dishonest gain?

 

[Corn Pop]

But then comes the times that there is no fixing the issue.

I buy groceries... Usually a lot of them as I cook most meals at home.

Once I was looking over a receipt and seen where I had bought a frozen pie. Usually the pie is $7-$9.
This time it was $2.
And we are weeks out from when I purchased it. The store is a big box store... All computerized.

Now how do I make this right?
I can't... Nor can the employees.

There's nothing anyone can do to fix it.

I intended to pay full price,
Their employees made the mistake in an office somewhere or the programming got messed up in transmission or reception...
Who knows.

So.
Nothing can be done.
Is that dishonest gain?

You probably didnt see the special sign. Down from 7 to 2.

Its not dishonest gain because the pie is only worth 2 dolla anyhow, they the ones who dishonest gain monopoly and ban people from growing and selling there own food so peoole must rely on big corps.

Thats why I cant sell my legal quota of fish and people must buy through the corporate chain.

Free trade and freedom. Yea right. Everyones a corporate slave.

 

[Angel]

Do you think when someone puts a price tag on an item that is more than what its really worth is dishonest gain?

Like if you wanted to sell your car and knew it was worth about 2000 and put 3000 on it and sold it, thats dishonest gain? As you know in your heart you made more off someone that knew less, and ripped them off. Or is that fair deal?

And like food and clothes and everything every product says quality, but its not, dishonest gain. I mean, you dont see a product that says crap quality we use cheap stuff, no honest gain, you can probably buy dog food that says quality on the label. lol.

Im just interested to know how far to the point what people would call 'dishonest gain'.

I can say this:

The price of a gallon of milk, and the price eggs and butter, seem to me to be dishonest gain.

 

[Corn Pop]

I can say this:

The price of a gallon of milk, and the price eggs and butter, seem to me to be dishonest gain.

If I fly to the otherside of the world I can buy better quality dairy and meat for cheaper than I can the farmer whos it is down the road.

We pay the highest price for meat and dairy, and its the lowest grade, and its our biggest industry. lol.

Thats globalism and export.

 

[Angel]

I love how they pump water into meat and make it more costly because it makes it weight more

 

[Obadiah]

But then comes the times that there is no fixing the issue.

I buy groceries... Usually a lot of them as I cook most meals at home.

Once I was looking over a receipt and seen where I had bought a frozen pie. Usually the pie is $7-$9.
This time it was $2.
And we are weeks out from when I purchased it. The store is a big box store... All computerized.

Now how do I make this right?
I can't... Nor can the employees.

There's nothing anyone can do to fix it.

I intended to pay full price,
Their employees made the mistake in an office somewhere or the programming got messed up in transmission or reception...
Who knows.

So.
Nothing can be done.
Is that dishonest gain?

No, that's not dishonest gain unless you are the one who programmed their computer system to do that and you did it on purpose so you could buy pies for $2. The hassle and employee time that it will cause for you to try to pay them the extra money now will cost them more than the difference in price, so by insisting that yo pay that difference you would actually be causing them to lose more money! Sometimes things just turn out that we get good deals, and sometimes we get bad deals. I like to think in the end it all evens out.

 

[Obadiah]

Everything is dishonest gain, the whole currency system was set up for dishonest gain. The privately owned federal reserve is the mother of all dishonest gains.

You give us your gold that keeps value and we will give you a worthless piece of paper with a debt attached in exchange that says its worth 1 dolla.

They can print currency but they cannot print gold.

 

[Corn Pop]

No comment just quote another member?. Thats dishonest quoting.

 

[Obadiah]

No comment just quote another member?. Thats dishonest quoting.

How so? Did I lie? Did I change your words? If so, report me.