Divine Healing; Why some don’t get healed

[JLB]

This thread is from a post in another thread, and is for discussion of the topic of divine healing.

Surely He has borne our griefs
And carried our sorrows;
Yet we esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten by God, and afflicted.
But He was wounded for our transgressions,
He was bruised for our iniquities;
The chastisement for our peace was upon Him,
And by His stripes we are healed.
Isaiah 53:4-5

Jesus paid the price for our salvation, but this not all. The same way we receive salvation we also can receive healing, as well as peace, (freedom from torment and anxiety).

This healing also includes, healing from demonic oppression. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly. John 10:10

The abundant life includes many things, but for this discussion I wanted to focus on divine healing, and why some (me especially as I am standing on His promise for healing) don’t get healed, and some scriptural reasons why our healing is hindered.

When Jesus walked this earth, it seemed He spent much of His time healing as it were, all who were oppressed of the devil; healing and delivering His people.

We know it is God’s will for us to be healed as we see the horrific price Jesus paid for us to be healed.


My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge… Hosea 4:6

• It has everything to do with believing.
• It has everything to do with faith.

I know the problem is not with God.

That puts the issue squarely upon my shoulders.

If I start there, then I can take any confusion or wondering out of the equation.

If Jesus said, all things are possible to him who believes, then the question is;

• Am I believing the way He means for me to believe, or am I believing the way I “think” I should believe?

They way our post modern culture “believes” may very well not be the way God Himself intends for us to believe.

• Am I single minded or double minded in our believing? This is huge!

The lamp of the body is the eye. Therefore, when your eye is good, [single] your whole body also is full of light. But when your eye is bad, your body also is full of darkness. Therefore take heed that the light which is in you is not darkness. Luke 11:34-35

When my eye is single, (undivided) good, then I will be full of light.

What am I allowing into my mind and heart through my eyes?

Jesus plainly teaches us that the “light” in us can be mixed with “darkness”.

But let patience have its perfect work, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking nothing. If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him. But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for he who doubts is like a wave of the sea driven and tossed by the wind. For let not that man suppose that he will receive anything from the Lord; he is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways. James 1:4-8

Patience here is perseverance; a steadfast, unwavering persistence regardless of circumstances or suffering to achieve a goal.

Example:

Now there was a widow in that city; and she came to him, saying, ‘Get justice for me from my adversary.’ And he would not for a while; but afterward he said within himself, ‘Though I do not fear God nor regard man, yet because this widow troubles me I will avenge her, lest by her continual coming she weary me.’ ”
Then the Lord said, “Hear what the unjust judge said. And shall God not avenge His own elect who cry out day and night to Him, though He bears long with them? I tell you that He will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will He really find faith on the earth?” Luke 18:3-8


Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will He really find faith on the earth?”


Our American, gotta have it they way I want it when I want it, double minded believing isn’t going to get us anything from God.

• Am I continuing to believe, regardless of the circumstances, and not doubting?

Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain. 1 Corinthians 15:1-2


For assuredly, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, ‘Be removed and be cast into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart, but believes that those things he says will be done, he will have whatever he says. Therefore I say to you, whatever things you ask when you pray, believe that you receive them, and you will have them.
Mark 11:23-24

Does what we say each day, as we are persevering, continuing to believe, line up with what we are hoping for?

And since we have the same spirit of faith, according to what is written, “I believed and therefore I spoke,” we also believe and therefore speak, 2 Corinthians 4:13


These are just a few of the hinderances to receiving our healing or our miracle from God.

Then there is demonic hinderance, which we will discuss also.



JLB

 

[jasonc]

Tommorow isn't promised .

Why do all me die
My dad died of dementia .he was saved and plenty of saints die that way and that literally will have you forgtetting pump your heart and and even eat .my dad died from starvation .

Then there is the people born with limited brain capacity .limbs lost from war .

PTSD is a also a physical ailment as the brain changes forever .

Does God phhht remove memories to where dont remember the past?

 

[JLB]

Now He was teaching in one of the synagogues on the Sabbath. And behold, there was a woman who had a spirit of infirmity eighteen years, and was bent over and could in no way raise herself up. But when Jesus saw her, He called her to Him and said to her, “Woman, you are loosed from your infirmity.” And He laid His hands on her, and immediately she was made straight, and glorified God.
But the ruler of the synagogue answered with indignation, because Jesus had healed on the Sabbath; and he said to the crowd, “There are six days on which men ought to work; therefore come and be healed on them, and not on the Sabbath day.”
The Lord then answered him and said, “Hypocrite! Does not each one of you on the Sabbath loose his ox or donkey from the stall, and lead it away to water it? So ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan has bound—think of it—for eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the Sabbath?” Luke 13:10-16


Notice that the scripture indicates she had a “spirit” of infirmity, and furthermore states that Satan had her bound.

When Jesus laid hands on her, and spoke with authority and freed her from the spirit who had caused her to be bent over for eighteen long years, she was made straight and glorified God.

Jesus indicated that this woman was a covenant child of Abraham, having legal right to be healed.


how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, who went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him. Acts 10:38




JLB

 

[JLB]

My dad died of dementia .he was saved and plenty of saints die that way and that literally will have you forgtetting pump your heart and and even eat .my dad died from starvation .

Im so sorry to hear that.

 

[JLB]

Does God phhht remove memories to where dont remember the past?

Thankfully He says our sins and iniquities He will remember no more.

For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more. Hebrews 8:12



JLB

 

[jasonc]

Thankfully He says our sins and iniquities He will remember no more.

For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more. Hebrews 8:12



JLB

That's not what the thread is saying .here and now rape victims ,cops and vets battle this and even victims of violence .

Imagine a a war widow who watched her spouse being tortured then burned alive .

Now tell her that verse about not reliving that in her mind daily and learning to fight it .

 

[WIP]

It is true that Jesus did heal physical maladies but I often wonder if the real healing was spiritual. Quite often when Jesus healed someone he left them by saying, "Your faith has made you well" or "Your faith has made you whole."

What would Jesus see as more important - healing the body or healing the soul/spirit/heart?

Just some thoughts to ponder.

 

[JLB]

That's not what the thread is saying .here and now rape victims ,cops and vets battle this and even victims of violence .

Imagine a a war widow who watched her spouse being tortured then burned alive .

Now tell her that verse about not reliving that in her mind daily and learning to fight it .

I honestly don’t understand what your talking about.

This thread is about some hinderances to divine healing.

If you believe in divine healing then this thread is probably not for you.

Jesus is our healer, He is the Prince of peace, as well as our Savior and deliverer.

He paid the price for our salvation, peace and healing.

Because someone experienced a tragedy doesn’t mean God’s word isn’t true.



JLB

 

[JLB]

It is true that Jesus did heal physical maladies but I often wonder if the real healing was spiritual. Quite often when Jesus healed someone he left them by saying, "Your faith has made you well" or "Your faith has made you whole."

What would Jesus see as more important - healing the body or healing the soul/spirit/heart?

Just some thoughts to ponder.

I believe Jesus thought it to be important to save and heal, as well as give us peace and joy, which is part of the New Covenant.

He must have thought healing was important to suffer such agony by being tortured and beaten at the whipping post.

Ever watch the Passion of the Christ?

Isaiah says He was unrecognizable as a man.

Behold, My Servant shall deal prudently;
He shall be exalted and extolled and be very high.
Just as many were astonished at you,
So His visage was marred more than any man,
And His form more than the sons of men;
Isaiah 52:13-14 NKJV

just as many were horrified by the sight of you,
he was so disfigured he no longer looked like a man;
his form was so marred he no longer looked human.
Isaiah 52:14 NET

He was continually beaten unmercifully.

This is the price He paid for our healing, which includes spiritual healing, mental and emotional healing, physical healing and deliverance from the oppression of evil spirits.




JLB

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Jesus healed people in different ways. Some had to do something. That was fairly common.

Now it’s no good pointing to people we know or love who died from a disease and blame God because we aren’t that person and cannot possibly know why they weren’t healed, if they asked. Our business is with God and our bodies.

The chief reason I believe healing doesn’t happen is because of a lack of obedience. If one is seeking answers, Deuteronomy 28 is pretty good. In a nutshell, if you obey his commands, He will bless you. If you REFUSE to obey his commands, you will be cursed and that includes sickness.

One thing I can guarantee, if you blame God and resent Him for not honoring “your faith to believe you can be healed” (but not enough faith to obey Him,) you won’t see healing. He absolutely will not be blackmailed or threatened into action. You’d best repent because the source of that is P R I D E. God OPPOSES THE PROUD.

 

[Free]

Sometimes, maybe even often, God just doesn't heal for reasons only he knows, and it has nothing to do with faith. God most often uses these things and other adversities to deepen our faith and help us grow in humility and sanctification.

 

[jasonc]

I honestly don’t understand what your talking about.

This thread is about some hinderances to divine healing.

If you believe in divine healing then this thread is probably not for you.

Jesus is our healer, He is the Prince of peace, as well as our Savior and deliverer.

He paid the price for our salvation, peace and healing.

Because someone experienced a tragedy doesn’t mean God’s word isn’t true.



JLB

Of course not because you don't know that God doesn't heal mental health .

You told a former member that he does and you haven't a clue that now you just told me that an apology .

God can't phhht make my entire memories of Dad go happy and no pain of missing him .

War is part of that .relieving the memories of seeing men die and how they die and the smells of that plus the other five senses .

The brain simply can't handle it and it rewires itself to bypass the memories of it and we have this odd way of functioning .

Mri studies show how a brain is altered. .it's an organ and like it or not it can get sick.

But I guess I should just pray and wait and not work on those triggers.

The irony here is that I seek out a pastor who is pentacostals who has PTSD and has victory over it but admits he has bad days.nightmares,and anger issues and insomnia .he tried to kill himself and God spared him .

No he .not even he says what you say .

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Sometimes, maybe even often, God just doesn't heal for reasons only he knows, and it has nothing to do with faith. God most often uses these things and other adversities to deepen our faith and help us grow in humility and sanctification.

I hadn’t notice the sick have greater faith nor are more humble. Actually those who are healed see their faith grow, but those who aren’t don’t for obvious reasons. And Humility comes from how one behaves when their pride is confronted by man, not when they are sick.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

You know, Jesus couldn’t heal many in one place because of their lack of faith, the Bible says. It isn’t the only reason, but the author didn’t write it was because God wanted them “to grow.”

 

[Free]

I hadn’t notice the sick have greater faith nor are more humble. Actually those who are healed see their faith grow, but those who aren’t don’t for obvious reasons.

I have noticed. Those who have been through or are going through sickness, those who have dealt with the loss of a loved one, those who have been through the greatest adversities, are the deepest, most genuine Christians I know. And that matches with what I have read about such things.

A person who is healed doesn't necessarily have their faith grow in the way it needs to. A person's faith can be a mile wide and an inch deep. That is, in my opinion, most commonly seen in Word of Faith, Pentecostal, and Charismatic circles, as it is often reflected in shallow, self-centered teachings. Adversity gives the greatest depth, and depth is what matters.

And Humility comes from how one behaves when their pride is confronted by man, not when they are sick.

Humility ultimately comes from complete and utter trust and reliance on God.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I have noticed. Those who have been through or are going through sickness, those who have dealt with the loss of a loved one, those who have been through the greatest adversities, are the deepest, most genuine Christians I know.

You shouldn’t mix up adversity with illness. They aren’t the same. I work in a hospital and those people are far from humble. There are posters here who tell of their physical sufferings and are deeply proud. If we would study humility in the scripture, you won’t find it connected to illness. If it were, why in the world would Jesus heal
all of them in some places?

And that matches with what I have read about such things.

I can think of a few famous people who were deeply proud. What sources do you think match?

A person who is healed doesn't necessarily have their faith grow in the way it needs to. A person's faith can be a mile wide and an inch deep. That is, in my opinion, most commonly seen in Word of Faith, Pentecostal, and Charismatic circles. Adversity gives the greatest depth, and depth is what matters.

Adversity? It can. It also can make people jealous or resentful.

Humility ultimately comes from complete and utter trust and reliance on God.

No, humility comes from a man choosing not to take honor upon himself but makes himself take the lowest place among men. A modern “worship” leader who stands directly in the spotlight on “stage” every Sunday, hones his voice so it’s amazing and ensures his mic is the loudest, shows all the signs of deep pride but can have “complete and utter reliance on God.”

 

[Dorothy Mae]

My purpose is this. Those believers suffering sickness would do best to press into God and ask Him what you are to do. And then do it. It’s better to ask “Why” then live in suffering. Telling yourself “it’s for your edification” when it isn’t is not good. Now if God TELLS you that He wants you to endure, then this comes with grace and power. That’s difference.

Jesus rebuked a fever once. He didn’t tell the woman it’s for her personal growth. Adversity can be for growth. But I cannot recall a sickness in scripture as designated for personal growth.

 

[jasonc]

I have noticed. Those who have been through or are going through sickness, those who have dealt with the loss of a loved one, those who have been through the greatest adversities, are the deepest, most genuine Christians I know. And that matches with what I have read about such things.

A person who is healed doesn't necessarily have their faith grow in the way it needs to. A person's faith can be a mile wide and an inch deep. That is, in my opinion, most commonly seen in Word of Faith, Pentecostal, and Charismatic circles, as it is often reflected in shallow, self-centered teachings. Adversity gives the greatest depth, and depth is what matters.


Humility ultimately comes from complete and utter trust and reliance on God.

PTSD and bankruptcy had forced me to be reliant on God .

Imagine that God using our mistakes and our others sin to grow us.

 

[jasonc]

Then why does any saint die .

After all this body does die?

Why can't jlb pray to be 20 again with the reflexes and senses as they were.hearing perfect and eyes and not so easily injured .

I could run circles around myself and yet I was a immature fool.i may not be like I was but no I don't want that back .

 

[jasonc]

This poster before asthma .could easily run two miles under 12 minutes and close to 11,then at night go spar for a few rounds .

I would have to work much harder to get to that and never mind my asthma my knees would scream .