Divine Healing; Why some don’t get healed

[Free]

Then I guess those who embrace this view will also be embracing their illness instead of asking for His stripes to rid them of this adversity.

Now why wouldn't they pray for healing? That doesn't make sense. We pray for healing but we also trust God regardless of what happens.

The main problem I've seen, is that when people believe that it's all about faith, then when they aren't healed, their faith suffers drastically.

No, one can understand pride when they see it and not be proud. To follow your thinking, one had better not notice any vice at all. Because to you, if one sees a vice, well then one has it. Silencing of the truth on a different level.

You didn't understand what I was saying.

Wow, it does talk about humility. Is that connected to reality? Can you answer why scripture says, "by his stripes we are healed" which is clearly physical healing, the only kind recorded in the Bible? Why is sickness not considered merely adversity and accepted?

Your condescending tone is noted. God does heal but he doesn't heal everyone in the timing that they want, and some won't get healed in this life. Why do you think that Paul told Timothy to start drinking wine for his stomach? Why didn't Timothy just get healed? Do you think he didn't have enough faith, as one who was a spiritual son of Paul?

Isaiah 53:5 isn't necessarily speaking of physical healing, especially considering the context:

Isa 53:4 Surely he has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed him stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted.
Isa 53:5 But he was pierced for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his wounds we are healed.
Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned—every one—to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all. (ESV)

Notice that in verse 4, the servant "has borne our griefs and sorrows." Then, it is said "he was pierced for our transgressions" and "he was crushed for our iniquities." Those are both spiritual, as is the third, "the chastisement that brought us peace." The "peace" is salvation. It makes sense then that the healing spoken of is spiritual, being healed from the death and decay that sin, as a disease, brings on us. Or, to think of it another way, to be forgiven is to be healed of the disease of sin.

There simply is reason to believe that verse 5 is not speaking of "clearly physical healing."

I know what it was and it was not illness. That does not humble a person. Paul mentions it elsewhere in his letters.

No, you don't know what it was because he never says what it was. All he says it that it was a messenger from Satan, but what that means has been debated for centuries.

wow, not because he loved people but merely loved himself and wanted to show how great he was, I assume. He said he had compassion on them. It did not say he wanted to show them how great he was.

Your patronizing is unnecessary. You need to read what people are actually writing. That it was to prove the truth of his claims about who he was and his message has nothing to do with wanting "to show how great he was."

Ok, we can dismiss that one.

Figures.

The "relying solely on God" claim can be very proud.

Wow. You seem to have little idea of what true humility is.

That is what so many of them say. They weep when they say it. The church watches the show and believes them. Sounds good to them.

I have no idea what your point is here.

 

[Free]

The messenger of Satan was a Pharisaical Rabbi who was a “false apostle” that would come behind Paul to try and convince the churches he raised up, that they have to become circumcised and keep the law of Moses in order to be saved.

Where does Paul say this?

 

[jasonc]

Uhm most that I have heard say they prayed for healing .

They accept that God may either let them die or be healed .

I recall a bald man who was healed from brain cancer .he said I was always busy .lying in that hospital bed and my house for a year .I had all the time to pray and read the Bible where as I was healthy and too busy to be with God .I learned more about Jesus on my back then in church .

He wasn't anti church just honest and said it made him a better Christian .

But well imagine if God just poofed that cancer in one day and didn't let the person see God for who he was.its possible that the man might have just went about his prior life without taking more time to pray and read .

I would say God wanted him to pray and I bet in that church he is the go to guy for prayer .my church has a jewess that has cancer and is a prayer warrior .

Gift of faith contes by trials.

 

[Christ_empowered]

I dunno

Pentecostalism once appealed to me. I obviously believe in healing and divine intervention but….

I’m beginning to think aspects of it are not of God. Some practices struck me as folk magic more than Christianity.

But the big problem for me is this encouragement to retreat from thinking and even observing into some emo zone. That and the dread I felt once I saw how some true Pentecostal believers really truly hated poor people gays immigrants all that.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Now why wouldn't they pray for healing? That doesn't make sense. We pray for healing but we also trust God regardless of what happens.

He wants them to trust Him enough to obey, not trust Him enough for Him to obey them.

The main problem I've seen, is that when people believe that it's all about faith, then when they aren't healed, their faith suffers drastically.

It wasn’t faith at all likely, it was presumption. Faith comes by hearing, not by imaging or assuming. Now that’s easily said, but physical healing is not a one answer fits all. In some cases, for example, no healing will come until the sufferer has forgiven all others or performed a step of obedience.

That being said, if the sufferer never learned to hear (and obey) the Holy Spirit, that will be more difficult. And, of course, there are illnesses unto death. All of us die at some point.

You didn't understand what I was saying.

Please say it differently then or explain.

Your condescending tone is noted.

You are wrong, but I remember that you like to personally insult people.

God does heal but he doesn't heal everyone in the timing that they want, and some won't get healed in this life. Why do you think that Paul told Timothy to start drinking wine for his stomach? Why didn't Timothy just get healed? Do you think he didn't have enough faith, as one who was a spiritual son of Paul?

Faith and medicine aren’t opposites. You assume healed by God means one never suffers illness and doctors aren’t needed. This is false picture of how it works.

Isaiah 53:5 isn't necessarily speaking of physical healing, especially considering the context:

Isa 53:4 Surely he has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed him stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted.
Isa 53:5 But he was pierced for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his wounds we are healed.
Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned—every one—to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all. (ESV)

Iniquity and illness are often linked. Nevertheless we can receive healing by his stripes.

Notice that in verse 4, the servant "has borne our griefs and sorrows." Then, it is said "he was pierced for our transgressions" and "he was crushed for our iniquities." Those are both spiritual, as is the third, "the chastisement that brought us peace."

Inquiries are crimes or wrong we most often do to others in physical reality. That is not mainly spiritual. Steal a man’s baby and while you can ask God for forgiveness and get spiritually cleansed, you had better return the baby.

The "peace" is salvation. It makes sense then that the healing spoken of is spiritual, being healed from the death and decay that sin, as a disease, brings on us. Or, to think of it another way, to be forgiven is to be healed of the disease of sin.

Sin isn’t a disease. That’s insulting to diseases. Sin is rebellion against God and often man thinking solely of himself in real choices. It is evil. Diseases are not evil.

There simply is reason to believe that verse 5 is not speaking of "clearly physical healing."

Then you cannot claim it for physical healing. Those who think it speaks of diseases can and have been.

No, you don't know what it was because he never says what it was. All he says it that it was a messenger from Satan, but what that means has been debated for centuries.

JLB knows too. He explained it quite well.

Your patronizing is unnecessary.

It’s not even there.

You need to read what people are actually writing. That it was to prove the truth of his claims about who he was and his message has nothing to do with wanting "to show how great he was."

The Bible says he had compassion on them.

Figures.

How condescending!!

Wow. You seem to have little idea of what true humility is.

How insulting! I recall that’s a favorite attack of yours.

I have no idea what your point is here.

Shall I explain?

For even if I wish to boast, I will not be a fool, for I would be telling the truth, but I refrain from this so that no one may regard me beyond what he sees in me or what he hears from me, even because of the extraordinary character of the revelations. Therefore, so that I would not become arrogant, a thorn in the flesh was given to me, a messenger of Satan to trouble me—so that I would not become arrogant. I asked the Lord three times about this, that it would depart from me. But he said to me, “My grace is enough for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” So then, I will boast most gladly about my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may reside in me. Therefore I am content with weaknesses, with insults, with troubles, with persecutions and difficulties for the sake of Christ, for whenever I am weak, then I am strong. 2 Corinthians 12:6-10

“Thorn in the flesh” is a Hebraic idiomatic expression for a source of irritation; something bothersome.

In America we would call it a “pain in the a#&%”.

The messenger of Satan was a Pharisaical Rabbi who was a “false apostle” that would come behind Paul to try and convince the churches he raised up, that they have to become circumcised and keep the law of Moses in order to be saved.

This was done because of the abundance of his revelations that he would not become arrogant and would stay true to the message of Christ.

Christ crucified, and the demonstration of the Spirit and power.



JLB

You nailed it. You KNOW.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

There’s a difference between faith and presumption. It’s probably worth understanding. Presumption gets an idea, looks for a reason or even scripture why this is what God should do, and prays in great confidence that this formula will yield results. Many a faith has shipwrecked when God didn’t comply.

Faith is hearing from God what He wants you to do, perhaps with a promise of what He will do if you comply. So you make yourself step out in faith enough to do. It does not require the feeling or confidence it will be, but actions (obedience) is more powerful than feelings.

“Faith comes by hearing…”

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Where does Paul say this?

He would not have been allowed by the Holy Spirit to name his opponent in writing for the whole world to know, but it’s mentioned in general elsewhere.

 

[jerry63935]

Jesus couldn’t heal many at times and the author didn’t say it was because God just chose not to do so for no perceived reason.

then you explain why my pastor friend died of cancer in his mid 60,s ...it was not God will if it aint the Good Lord will they will not be healed

 

[jerry63935]

I dunno

Pentecostalism once appealed to me. I obviously believe in healing and divine intervention but….

I’m beginning to think aspects of it are not of God. Some practices struck me as folk magic more than Christianity.

But the big problem for me is this encouragement to retreat from thinking and even observing into some emo zone. That and the dread I felt once I saw how some true Pentecostal believers really truly hated poor people gays immigrants all that.

many not all put on a big show claiming healing

 

[JLB]

Where does Paul say this?

You ever read Galatians, or the context of the text I quoted?


For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works. 2 Corinthians 11:13-15


Yes, this topic has been debated, as yes, there was most likely a high ranking Satanic angel that oversaw and stimulated the opposition to Paul and the Gospel.


My main point is Paul was the exception, not the rule.

IOW, if you try to use Paul as an example of why some don’t healed, and specifically the incident I quoted, it’s not applicable, because the situation with Paul was unique, in that Paul was allowed to be put in that unique situation… “because of the abundance of his revelations“.


How many people wrote most of the New Testament, and were caught up to the third heaven and saw things they couldn’t speak about, and were sent to virgin Gentile territory to raise up Churches where no person had ever been with the Gospel?





JLB

 

[JLB]

The main problem I've seen, is that when people believe that it's all about faith, then when they aren't healed, their faith suffers drastically.

True, which is why we should explore all these things I have mentioned and also the things I will continue to mention in this thread.

Let’s have an attitude of working together, and exploring all the possibilities from the scriptures, as you may see a part that I don’t see, and visa versa, because “I” see in part, but “we” have the mind of Christ.

I want want to see people get healed, myself included and I know the problem is not with God, it’s most likely with my “believing” and lack of perseverance; the continuing to believe even though I haven’t seen the manifestation immediately or even the next day or week or month.


If I believe, then therefore I will speak, and continue to speak, calling things that be not as though they were, with continual persistence just like the widow woman and the unjust Judge.


Jesus associated this persistence with faith.


Then the Lord said, “Hear what the unjust judge said. And shall God not avenge His own elect who cry out day and night to Him, though He bears long with them? I tell you that He will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will He really find faith on the earth?” Luke 18:6-8


Example —


Now they came to Jericho. As He went out of Jericho with His disciples and a great multitude, blind Bartimaeus, the son of Timaeus, sat by the road begging. And when he heard that it was Jesus of Nazareth, he began to cry out and say, “Jesus, Son of David, have mercy on me!”
Then many warned him to be quiet; but he cried out all the more, “Son of David, have mercy on me!”
So Jesus stood still and commanded him to be called.
Then they called the blind man, saying to him, “Be of good cheer. Rise, He is calling you.”
And throwing aside his garment, he rose and came to Jesus.
So Jesus answered and said to him, “What do you want Me to do for you?” The blind man said to Him, “Rabboni, that I may receive my sight.” Then Jesus said to him, “Go your way; your faith has made you well.” And immediately he received his sight and followed Jesus on the road. Matthew 10:46-52

• Then many warned him to be quiet; but he cried out all the more, “Son of David, have mercy on me!”

Even though many tried to make him stop crying out to the Lord for his healing, he persisted and wouldn’t quit until he got the attention of Jesus, and when he got the attention of Jesus… it was a done deal!






JLB

 

[JLB]

The next thing I would like to discuss about the topic of why some don’t get healed is unforgiveness.


I’m sure everyone knows the story so I won’t quote the whole thing, but here is the crux of the matter —


Then his master, after he had called him, said to him, ‘You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt because you begged me. Should you not also have had compassion on your fellow servant, just as I had pity on you?’ And his master was angry, and delivered him to the torturers until he should pay all that was due to him.
“So My heavenly Father also will do to you if each of you, from his heart, does not forgive his brother his trespasses.”
Matthew 18:32-35

• And his master was angry, and delivered him to the torturers until he should pay all that was due to him. “So My heavenly Father also will do to you if each of you, from his heart, does not forgive his brother his trespasses.

My own unforgiveness could very well hinder my prayer for healing to be answered.


just sayin…






JLB

 

[Randy]

What was the thorn in Paul's side that God wouldn't remove it ?

As I read "a messenger of Satan to trouble me"

 

[Randy]

This thread is from a post in another thread, and is for discussion of the topic of divine healing.

Surely He has borne our griefs
And carried our sorrows;
Yet we esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten by God, and afflicted.
But He was wounded for our transgressions,
He was bruised for our iniquities;
The chastisement for our peace was upon Him,
And by His stripes we are healed.
Isaiah 53:4-5

Jesus paid the price for our salvation, but this not all. The same way we receive salvation we also can receive healing, as well as peace, (freedom from torment and anxiety).

This healing also includes, healing from demonic oppression. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly. John 10:10

The abundant life includes many things, but for this discussion I wanted to focus on divine healing, and why some (me especially as I am standing on His promise for healing) don’t get healed, and some scriptural reasons why our healing is hindered.

When Jesus walked this earth, it seemed He spent much of His time healing as it were, all who were oppressed of the devil; healing and delivering His people.

We know it is God’s will for us to be healed as we see the horrific price Jesus paid for us to be healed.


My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge… Hosea 4:6

• It has everything to do with believing.
• It has everything to do with faith.

I know the problem is not with God.

That puts the issue squarely upon my shoulders.

If I start there, then I can take any confusion or wondering out of the equation.

If Jesus said, all things are possible to him who believes, then the question is;

• Am I believing the way He means for me to believe, or am I believing the way I “think” I should believe?

They way our post modern culture “believes” may very well not be the way God Himself intends for us to believe.

• Am I single minded or double minded in our believing? This is huge!

The lamp of the body is the eye. Therefore, when your eye is good, [single] your whole body also is full of light. But when your eye is bad, your body also is full of darkness. Therefore take heed that the light which is in you is not darkness. Luke 11:34-35

When my eye is single, (undivided) good, then I will be full of light.

What am I allowing into my mind and heart through my eyes?

Jesus plainly teaches us that the “light” in us can be mixed with “darkness”.

But let patience have its perfect work, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking nothing. If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him. But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for he who doubts is like a wave of the sea driven and tossed by the wind. For let not that man suppose that he will receive anything from the Lord; he is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways. James 1:4-8

Patience here is perseverance; a steadfast, unwavering persistence regardless of circumstances or suffering to achieve a goal.

Example:

Now there was a widow in that city; and she came to him, saying, ‘Get justice for me from my adversary.’ And he would not for a while; but afterward he said within himself, ‘Though I do not fear God nor regard man, yet because this widow troubles me I will avenge her, lest by her continual coming she weary me.’ ”
Then the Lord said, “Hear what the unjust judge said. And shall God not avenge His own elect who cry out day and night to Him, though He bears long with them? I tell you that He will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will He really find faith on the earth?” Luke 18:3-8


Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will He really find faith on the earth?”


Our American, gotta have it they way I want it when I want it, double minded believing isn’t going to get us anything from God.

• Am I continuing to believe, regardless of the circumstances, and not doubting?

Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain. 1 Corinthians 15:1-2


For assuredly, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, ‘Be removed and be cast into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart, but believes that those things he says will be done, he will have whatever he says. Therefore I say to you, whatever things you ask when you pray, believe that you receive them, and you will have them.
Mark 11:23-24

Does what we say each day, as we are persevering, continuing to believe, line up with what we are hoping for?

And since we have the same spirit of faith, according to what is written, “I believed and therefore I spoke,” we also believe and therefore speak, 2 Corinthians 4:13


These are just a few of the hinderances to receiving our healing or our miracle from God.

Then there is demonic hinderance, which we will discuss also.



JLB

I know of a Godly man one who was a Pastor and responsible for starting several churches during his life in the flesh. He preached Christs love constantly and the gospel message accurately. He got cancer with a grim diagnosis. Word got out and prayer chains sent prayers to the Lord for his healing. Peoples from several churches. He approached his end in the flesh with faith and the loving grace of God was on him.. He finished the race, he kept the faith and was waiting for his crown of righteousness. His flesh was not healed. I have confidence he is alive and well with the Lord and will never die and will rise again at the resurrection of us all on the last day. In the end flesh dies. When you ask for a healing of this kind you are asking for a extension in the life of mortal flesh for those in the Lord never die.

 

[Christ_empowered]

Randy makes a good point. All of God a work on our behalf in this world pales in comparison to Heaven. Also it’s ephemeral like life itself.

 

[GodsGrace]

This thread is from a post in another thread, and is for discussion of the topic of divine healing.

Surely He has borne our griefs
And carried our sorrows;
Yet we esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten by God, and afflicted.
But He was wounded for our transgressions,
He was bruised for our iniquities;
The chastisement for our peace was upon Him,
And by His stripes we are healed.
Isaiah 53:4-5

Jesus paid the price for our salvation, but this not all. The same way we receive salvation we also can receive healing, as well as peace, (freedom from torment and anxiety).

This healing also includes, healing from demonic oppression. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly. John 10:10

The abundant life includes many things, but for this discussion I wanted to focus on divine healing, and why some (me especially as I am standing on His promise for healing) don’t get healed, and some scriptural reasons why our healing is hindered.

When Jesus walked this earth, it seemed He spent much of His time healing as it were, all who were oppressed of the devil; healing and delivering His people.

We know it is God’s will for us to be healed as we see the horrific price Jesus paid for us to be healed.


My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge… Hosea 4:6

• It has everything to do with believing.
• It has everything to do with faith.

I know the problem is not with God.

That puts the issue squarely upon my shoulders.

If I start there, then I can take any confusion or wondering out of the equation.

If Jesus said, all things are possible to him who believes, then the question is;

• Am I believing the way He means for me to believe, or am I believing the way I “think” I should believe?

They way our post modern culture “believes” may very well not be the way God Himself intends for us to believe.

• Am I single minded or double minded in our believing? This is huge!

The lamp of the body is the eye. Therefore, when your eye is good, [single] your whole body also is full of light. But when your eye is bad, your body also is full of darkness. Therefore take heed that the light which is in you is not darkness. Luke 11:34-35

When my eye is single, (undivided) good, then I will be full of light.

What am I allowing into my mind and heart through my eyes?

Jesus plainly teaches us that the “light” in us can be mixed with “darkness”.

But let patience have its perfect work, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking nothing. If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him. But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for he who doubts is like a wave of the sea driven and tossed by the wind. For let not that man suppose that he will receive anything from the Lord; he is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways. James 1:4-8

Patience here is perseverance; a steadfast, unwavering persistence regardless of circumstances or suffering to achieve a goal.

Example:

Now there was a widow in that city; and she came to him, saying, ‘Get justice for me from my adversary.’ And he would not for a while; but afterward he said within himself, ‘Though I do not fear God nor regard man, yet because this widow troubles me I will avenge her, lest by her continual coming she weary me.’ ”
Then the Lord said, “Hear what the unjust judge said. And shall God not avenge His own elect who cry out day and night to Him, though He bears long with them? I tell you that He will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will He really find faith on the earth?” Luke 18:3-8


Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will He really find faith on the earth?”


Our American, gotta have it they way I want it when I want it, double minded believing isn’t going to get us anything from God.

• Am I continuing to believe, regardless of the circumstances, and not doubting?

Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain. 1 Corinthians 15:1-2


For assuredly, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, ‘Be removed and be cast into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart, but believes that those things he says will be done, he will have whatever he says. Therefore I say to you, whatever things you ask when you pray, believe that you receive them, and you will have them.
Mark 11:23-24

Does what we say each day, as we are persevering, continuing to believe, line up with what we are hoping for?

And since we have the same spirit of faith, according to what is written, “I believed and therefore I spoke,” we also believe and therefore speak, 2 Corinthians 4:13


These are just a few of the hinderances to receiving our healing or our miracle from God.

Then there is demonic hinderance, which we will discuss also.



JLB

I'm not going to be on this thread long.
It sounds like you're of the word of faith movement.
I don't agree with this movement.
God is God, He is not Santa where one sends a letter and expects to receive a gift.
One is not healed if he's sneezing and coughing or worse.
What we THINK in our heads is not what is happening in our body.
If we're sick, we're sick.

I also believe it's improper to blame the believer for not having enough faith,
or the wrong kind of faith. Jesus said we only need faith as big as a mustard seed.

So here are two questions for you.

1. Have you been healed every time you've been sick? We all have. If we're still alive and well.
2. Do you plan on living forever? When we're not healed, we will eventually die.

 

[eddif]

It is true that Jesus did heal physical maladies but I often wonder if the real healing was spiritual. Quite often when Jesus healed someone he left them by saying, "Your faith has made you well" or "Your faith has made you whole."

What would Jesus see as more important - healing the body or healing the soul/spirit/heart?

Just some thoughts to ponder.

Good post.
Let us see if the concept can be expanded.

When Jesus told a man his sins were forgiven, the religious said it was God alone that could forgive sins.

How did Jesus handle the situation? Not through a long theological discussion.

Disease is situation where body health has been attacked by ?:
Bacteria
Bad genes
Deficient diet
Virus
Spirit of sickness
Physical accident
Metabolic issue
etc.

There were some things that the religious leaders could help, but there was nothing that Jesus could not heal.
So
Jesus healed everything. That was an indicator that if Jesus had power over those born blind, lame, deaf - there is a good chance he could forgive sin.

It was no longer just a theological argument, but the physical facts showed His power.

Isaiah said (we are healed) looking forward to Jesus.

Now the statement is ( by his stripes we were healed. Plus. Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father ever making intercession for us.

Each poster can add to the extremely complex issue of healing.

Even the chastening for good issue.

Way more than enough. I will be quiet.

eddif

 

[GodsGrace]

Good post.
Let us see if the concept can be expanded.

When Jesus told a man his sins were forgiven, the religious said it was God alone that could forgive sins.

How did Jesus handle the situation? Not through a long theological discussion.

Disease is situation where body health has been attacked by ?:
Bacteria
Bad genes
Deficient diet
Virus
Spirit of sickness
Physical accident
Metabolic issue
etc.

There were some things that the religious leaders could help, but there was nothing that Jesus could not heal.
So
Jesus healed everything. That was an indicator that if Jesus had power over those born blind, lame, deaf - there is a good chance he could forgive sin.

It was no longer just a theological argument, but the physical facts showed His power.

Isaiah said (we are healed) looking forward to Jesus.

Now the statement is ( by his stripes we were healed. Plus. Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father ever making intercession for us.

Each poster can add to the extremely complex issue of healing.

Even the chastening for good issue.

Way more than enough. I will be quiet.

eddif

It's not so extremely complex.
Or every believer would be immediately healed of every sickness....
which does not happen.

Isaiah was speaking about being healed from sin, the guilt of sin, the consequences of sin.
Nowhere in those verses does it speak to physical healing.

I think this idea is very damaging to Christianity.
About physical healing, I mean.

Miracles DO happen.
But they are MIRACLES, not every day occurrances.

 

[JLB]

I know of a Godly man one who was a Pastor and responsible for starting several churches during his life in the flesh. He preached Christs love constantly and the gospel message accurately. He got cancer with a grim diagnosis. Word got out and prayer chains sent prayers to the Lord for his healing. Peoples from several churches. He approached his end in the flesh with faith and the loving grace of God was on him.. He finished the race, he kept the faith and was waiting for his crown of righteousness. His flesh was not healed. I have confidence he is alive and well with the Lord and will never die and will rise again at the resurrection of us all on the last day. In the end flesh dies. When you ask for a healing of this kind you are asking for a extension in the life of mortal flesh for those in the Lord never die.

I have no doubt this man was a mighty man of God and went to be with the Lord.

Amen, many great men and women who do many wonderful things for the Lord, may not necessarily understand why they weren’t healed.

We are discussing some biblical reasons why some don’t get healed.

Thanks for sharing.




JLB

 

[Randy]

I have no doubt this man was a mighty man of God and went to be with the Lord.

Amen, many great men and women who do many wonderful things for the Lord, may not necessarily understand why they weren’t healed.

We are discussing some biblical reasons why some don’t get healed.

Thanks for sharing.




JLB

One was given. "Gods love and grace are sufficient for us". God does love us and is not indifferent to our suffering and it is written God works for the good of those who love Him. That man I spoke of was in peace even as his flesh was dying. Outwardly he was wasting away. Inwardly he was renewed and God who does care was their making Himself known as "I love you and care for you". I am with you.