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Divine Healing; Why some don’t get healed
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Gotta love those who assume you and I teach we can't ask for healing.
I quoted a man dying of cancer who prayed for healing but also if God sees fit to call m home I'm ready .he died s week later .he was at peace with God in control
I know several pentacostals that teach James 5 as that .trust God to either heal or call you home or a lesson
Illness is a specific type of adversity.
Are they believers?
And other think they're not proud but continually call others out on it, which means they are actually just as deeply proud.
That humility may not be "connected to illness" in Scripture is not relevant. Scripture doesn't say a number of things relevant to life in a fallen world.
2Co 12:7 So to keep me from becoming conceited because of the surpassing greatness of the revelations, a thorn was given me in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to harass me, to keep me from becoming conceited.
2Co 12:8 Three times I pleaded with the Lord about this, that it should leave me.
2Co 12:9 But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly of my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may rest upon me. (ESV)
Of course, we don't know exactly what that thorn was and some speculate it was a physical ailment. Regardless, God uses illness to bring us to complete dependence on him, leading to deeper and greater humility.
To prove the truth of his claims about who he was and his message.
I've read many books that speak of it, but I cannot think of any in particular.
It can, if one doesn't turn to God.
That can also be a sign of false humility.
If a worship leader is doing that, then, no, they do not have complete and utter reliance on God. Humility is the end and death of self.
Btw, I highly recommend Humility, by Andrew Murray.
In one form or another, it will come down to obedience.
This is true, and also points to problems in our family line.
In my family it was affiliation with the Masonic Lodge.
I repented of this on behalf of my father and grandfather, both being policeman.
Anyway, the curse associated with idolatry was then broken over myself and family, however my children were already born.
The issues (iniquities) associated with the Masonic Lodge tend to be sexual immortality and drugs and alcohol.
JLB
Dorothy Mae
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Then I guess those who embrace this view will also be embracing their illness instead of asking for His stripes to rid them of this adversity.
Some.
No, one can understand pride when they see it and not be proud. To follow your thinking, one had better not notice any vice at all. Because to you, if one sees a vice, well then one has it. Silencing of the truth on a different level.
Wow, it does talk about humility. Is that connected to reality? Can you answer why scripture says, "by his stripes we are healed" which is clearly physical healing, the only kind recorded in the Bible? Why is sickness not considered merely adversity and accepted?
I know what it was and it was not illness. That does not humble a person. Paul mentions it elsewhere in his letters.
wow, not because he loved people but merely loved himself and wanted to show how great he was, I assume. He said he had compassion on them. It did not say he wanted to show them how great he was.
Ok, we can dismiss that one.
Yes, I agree on that one.
Not if the man saying nothing to anyone about what he just did. There is no false humility that is not boasting of its humility. Any move that is lowly taken whereby only God knows one has done so makes a man humble. It is called humbling yourself and that is the way a man becomes humble. He just humble himself. The "relying solely on God" claim can be very proud.
That is what so many of them say. They weep when they say it. The church watches the show and believes them. Sounds good to them.
OK, when I have time. I work 38 hours a week and have over an hour commute. I mostly just manage the Bible as a book. But I am glad to hear recommendations. Thank you.
Dorothy Mae
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That is a very strong demonic curse that is passed down many generations if not broken. Everyone I ever heard who dealt with deliverance and breaking generational curses seems to think that is the worst in the west. I suppose out and out devil worship might be worse but that is more open. They all have great respect for the Masonic curse that is passed down to generations. I have no dealings with this but they do and it's a big one. I am glad you were freed from it and the curses it brings.
Funny I took a photo of a masonic lodge that is old.
Let see Vero has one ,Gifford one meets in Vero. Wabasso did ,Oslo didn't fellsemere and Roseland idk.
The ones that did stand in Gifford and wabasso are in black communities and the wabasso one is in a high crime area .the Gifford one is as well but that is razed .
I need to photo them
Dorothy Mae
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Some illnesses are because of such a family curse. They are more common than known. Of course if one assumes all illnesses are sent by God to teach us and such, then one accepts the Devil's affliction with resignation. And it goes from generation to generation. It is sad and unnecessary.
God allows it.
Uhm so about mental retardation.
My aunt saved and not able to work .
Did Jesus cover that ,she is born that way not not fully able to live on her own .
My younger sister ,much less functional couldn't write a sentence let alone talk .born that way .
See I know this doctrine .I have a friend who was much like my aunt .prayed and died and went to heaven but never fully made whole.
I can post many stories about that church .I should go make a video on world on fire revivals and the tent revivals and how only they had mixed culture services in the 60s and 70s.
How one family lost a kid .one due to a wreck ,the other soared because God said I came for both and I spared your daughter ,both had lungs filled with mud and brain dead .one lived and the other died.how they lost a grandson due to hashinotos disease.how they lost income and the father had a heart attack and out of a job .the mother who has not much of cervical section. And surgery shows the before with no spinal bones and they made a support and neck brace wasn't worn until after a surgery.
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This man had a fire consume him from an incidenary grenade .he wanted to die and tried to kill himself and said that he tried to hold the Holy Ghost hostage.God said only that you think I can't heal you ? You gonna just stay alive or die .I decide that .now go and do as I say .I will use you .
He was in pain .there was no respite and no cure .he wanted to end his life . Imagine your body on fire and itching and you are in a cast and can't move to relieve it. Death would be preferable .
His life of misery is helping this vet .
amazing JLB you posted scripture but when asked questions why loved ones was not healed you never answered. i have known good Christians Full of faith trusted the Lord all the way to the last breath. they passed away facts are God choses not to heel some. the healing is there no doubt it can happen. i had good preacher friend pass away from cancer was his faith weak if your going to make a claim plz have answers . your claims are way of bases
For even if I wish to boast, I will not be a fool, for I would be telling the truth, but I refrain from this so that no one may regard me beyond what he sees in me or what he hears from me, even because of the extraordinary character of the revelations. Therefore, so that I would not become arrogant, a thorn in the flesh was given to me, a messenger of Satan to trouble me—so that I would not become arrogant. I asked the Lord three times about this, that it would depart from me. But he said to me, “My grace is enough for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” So then, I will boast most gladly about my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may reside in me. Therefore I am content with weaknesses, with insults, with troubles, with persecutions and difficulties for the sake of Christ, for whenever I am weak, then I am strong. 2 Corinthians 12:6-10
“Thorn in the flesh” is a Hebraic idiomatic expression for a source of irritation; something bothersome.
In America we would call it a “pain in the a#&%”.
The messenger of Satan was a Pharisaical Rabbi who was a “false apostle” that would come behind Paul to try and convince the churches he raised up, that they have to become circumcised and keep the law of Moses in order to be saved.
This was done because of the abundance of his revelations that he would not become arrogant and would stay true to the message of Christ.
Christ crucified, and the demonstration of the Spirit and power.
JLB
I would buy that if that was not one of many explanations ..
Look you aren't the only one .
I grew up in this .I mentioned my old church. If I go to the local fb pages and say herman stalvey .old timers will know him.
The tent days,where he preached .how he died. The hippies .
He literally was dying if lung cancer abs people came to see him and pray to be healed.
Yet he still died .his faith healed others.
How can God then say or You say he was weak ?
His widow for a decade was my pastor .his elders ,one a boss of mine ,the other a coworker ,one other I mentioned about his children .
It simply was his time to die.this man prophecied his church location .and much more .
Several in that old photo of the tent days I met .one has been dead for r two decades come January
Christ_empowered
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Sickness does not equal humility or even necessarily a humbling experience. Can it? Of course. But it’s not 100 percent always. Personally….
In my own situation I wonder if my healing and overall transformation wasn’t about my obedience so much as a boost to my faith and also because life is so much healthy and normal than patched up and close to state hospital material. God willed to make me healthy and of sound mind and now I love Jesus more and am also making more morally sound decisions. And…
I think healing is one way of God speaking and it isn’t necessarily just about the individual healed. As I write this some neighbor is taunting me about my f so I called poor life choices and saying I had a laser peel. No really. I’m healthy normal mostly dependent upon my loving and long suffering parents for a modest but nice lifestyle…
And The Lords mercy towards me is being explained away as some probably expensive procedure. Ok
and…
God’s work in This world is always met with opposition.
My parents have been blessed with more resources. They have the degrees and such but because of ridiculous work place and community hostility them being upper class…not rich…
Is something of a miracle too. Another example of hostility just in my situation…
People openly talk about their income. They don’t deserve to make xyz that kind of thing. Truth?
If they weren’t upper class I’d probably be put in some place if confinement or otherwise kept under control probably by the shrinks. Not really that sick but the world is that wicked.
Maybe that sort of opposition explains why miracles seem more frequent in 3rd world nations? And less common perhaps than in times past? I dunno
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In my own situation I wonder if my healing and overall transformation wasn’t about my obedience so much as a boost to my faith and also because life is so much healthy and normal than patched up and close to state hospital material. God willed to make me healthy and of sound mind and now I love Jesus more and am also making more morally sound decisions. And…
I think healing is one way of God speaking and it isn’t necessarily just about the individual healed. As I write this some neighbor is taunting me about my f so I called poor life choices and saying I had a laser peel. No really. I’m healthy normal mostly dependent upon my loving and long suffering parents for a modest but nice lifestyle…
And The Lords mercy towards me is being explained away as some probably expensive procedure. Ok
and…God’s work in This world is always met with opposition.
My parents have been blessed with more resources. They have the degrees and such but because of ridiculous work place and community hostility them being upper class…not rich…
Is something of a miracle too. Another example of hostility just in my situation…
People openly talk about their income. They don’t deserve to make xyz that kind of thing. Truth?
If they weren’t upper class I’d probably be put in some place if confinement or otherwise kept under control probably by the shrinks. Not really that sick but the world is that wicked.
Maybe that sort of opposition explains why miracles seem more frequent in 3rd world nations? And less common perhaps than in times past? I dunno
thanks Dorothy Mae
Member
Jesus couldn’t heal many at times and the author didn’t say it was because God just chose not to do so for no perceived reason.
Yes, several great healing evangelists died of health problems because they were getting old, after seeing many thousands or even millions healed through their ministry.
Paul was the exception, not the rule.
I gonna disagree .
Reread your own statement.
Several prominent healing evangelist died from health problems at old age .
Who ordained that men would due dur adams sin ?
That would be God .for it is appointed all for men to die then unto the judgment .
All die from something no one lives in this earthly body .
Even if you count the rapture which is actually a death of the saints in that the body is put off and the new immortal one out on.
So no .
Herman stalvey died at age 50 of lung cancer abs he was used by God to heal a few who has what he had .
God took him home .
I will then take this to it's next conclusion.
Since Satan comes to steal ,kill and destroy . But I came to give life and life more abundantly.why do pentacostals sing ?!
I went to the enemies camp and took back what he stole from me.?
Health ,oh finances ,marriage issues ,lost children .
Like I said I was raised in the faith in this .
Speak the word .
Healing ,call the blessing into being .
I degree a better job ,that apt etc .yup heard it .that is why free mentioned the name and claim it and also Jerry .
I attended more then one type of pentacostal church .church of Andersonvilke ,in .that local branch pastor believed in the healing power but rebuked many pastors for the unscriptural ways.touch the alter for you healing .run around the church x times for your blessing.no,it's come before the elders to pray ,not recieve handkerchiefs to be .James 5 says being him before the elders to be healed.
Said man Also would prophecy that death would come to one who needed to repent in a week and didn't know .that boys marker is a route start of mine .he died from speeding.he came forward to be saved at that word .the pastor didn't know who it was.
Now I await your response .if that pastor doesn't teaching healing like that .what gives ?
Like I said I have been in these circles before .nothing you post I havent heard .