divorced ministers

[brujaq]

you ever studied out polygamy ? this could very well be what one of the things paul is addressing. i can not hold it against a man if he was divorced due to his wife leaving him, had he left her then imo he is disqualified once again circumstances and yes we must have proper order

Could have ezra if you're looking for a loophole, but polygamy will also apply too . I would assume if a wife left a descent man that she was an adulteress whether she got caught or not and he is free to marry. I'm not even saying I wouldn't do the same thing, my wife and I have been married 44 years but we've been on shaky ground at times to get where we are now. I'm just saying there is temptation every where but the correct protocol remains.. The biggest danger to me is it without regard to scriptural truth it sends the message '' well the preacher did '' .. Some folks understand freedom and some folks take advantage .. Some folks think they outgrow their stature and think they can ''upgrade'' instead of working and facing responsibility .. God hates adultery and divorce because of greedy/selfish folks and loving wives or husbands and their kids lives are devastated because of it .. How many loving wives or husbands and kids do you know who suffered the rest of their lives because of the tragedy of divorce because of one partner seeking a few irresponsible days of pleasure .. How many have you ministered to with broken lives and families because of it .. And we're only talking about preachers and deacons .. And I don't like to go there but brushing off the abomination of homosexuality of priests and preachers by cover up or re-assignment but remaining in office of authority, God forbid

 

[Christ_empowered]

yeah...im thinking this is probably something best dealt with at the denominational level. they have the authority structures in place to make necessary judgment calls.

 

[evenifigoalone]

I know very well that divorce can be something that's not your fault, or it can even be the best course of action in some cases.
The Bible talks about a pastor also needing to have his house in order, like not have major troubles at home, doesn't it? I guess so they can be above reproach. So, if I'm remembering the passage right, going off that vein or might just be best to retire or something.

I don't want to seem like a jerk though, pastors are human too. And I've sat under pastors who had been divorced before.

 

[Creative]

God ,not paul.

So you would Go to a single pastor who has had no kids? Is Paul God?

I said about marriage ,and kids.I doNT go to people who haven't a clue about ptsd for advice, I will go to those that have struggled.



No.

Except Paul was not a pastor was he ? I would not accept advice about relationships from a divorced person either, a divorced person FAILED at the most important human relationship in their life, many divorced people think they are fit to raise children too.

 

[brujaq]

I know very well that divorce can be something that's not your fault, or it can even be the best course of action in some cases.
The Bible talks about a pastor also needing to have his house in order, like not have major troubles at home, doesn't it? I guess so they can be above reproach. So, if I'm remembering the passage right, going off that vein or might just be best to retire or something.

I don't want to seem like a jerk though, pastors are human too. And I've sat under pastors who had been divorced before.

You're not a jerk and if any one is it's usually me, preachers need all the prayer they can get and more .. I've seen some women are attracted to men in authority and even target preachers which always makes me think of Joseph and Potifer's wife Genesis 39 .. And many times I began a conversation with witness or stating I am Christian to set a tone as a reminder to me and the one I meet ..

 

[evenifigoalone]

Except Paul was not a pastor was he ? I would not accept advice about relationships from a divorced person either, a divorced person FAILED at the most important human relationship in their life, many divorced people think they are fit to raise children too.

Well I thought my step dad did a pretty swell job

 

[reba]

Divorce hurts ..way to often we search for ways to justify our actions. When maybe we should be using that time to make sure what we plan is as God would have it be, befor we act.

The Church has failed to teach God's perspective of marriage.

IMO what a person has done before salvation is a way different ballgame then after. The only Bibical allowance for divorce is adultry

Boy do i need spell check

 

[brujaq]

Well I thought my step dad did a pretty swell job

Mine too even though I was out of the house by then, he was a good , grandfather to my sons .. The Lord allowed me to lead him , my mother and my father eventually to the Lord and believe me my father was a modern day nephillem if there ever was one

 

[Traveling teacher]

The scripture stands...the husband of one wife.........
Polugamy is not an issue in america accept among some exmormons......
I have never met a man with 2 wives in america...
Divorce is the issue.......

Reason God put this in the scripture as follows....
A pastor must deal with intense family situations on a daily basis....
It takes 5-10 years to recover from a divorce.....
It takes 5-10 years to adjust to a new marriage......

It is best for a divorced man to take time away from heavy stress of a pastoral ministry
And focus on his recovery and new family.....

Family and marriage is always more important than ministry....
Look at ministers who have put their ministry in front of their family!!!!!!!,

Its best for his family and for the church......

 

[evenifigoalone]

Mine too even though I was out of the house by then, he was a good , grandfather to my sons .. The Lord allowed me to lead him , my mother and my father eventually to the Lord and believe me my father was a modern day nephillem if there ever was one

My step dad was awesome. I don't know much about what he was like before salvation, he indicated that he had anger issues I think.
My biological father though is a piece of work, but maybe he'll find God and come around one day.

 

[Christ_empowered]

me, yet again. not to make it too personal, but a lot of my question was/is about this church leader, in particular. its odd...the church leans "conservative," but shady stuff has popped up over the years, now this. i dont want to be judgmental and such, but i dont want my dad being led astray by a self-important, money hungry, wolf in sheep's clothing.

other than that...I think it -is- important to abide by Scripture. If a minister ends up in divorce court, he should probably find a new line of work, at least for a season. "nothin' personal..." ugh, I cannot stand that phrase, lol...but, yeah: NT standards are important, especially when one has authority over others in the church.

 

[brujaq]

A funny story about my stepfather .. He had had a severe stroke, was dying on his death bed and of course every one was all sad and somber, his speech was severely impaired, he mumbled something to me and I said ''Red, I can't understand a dang word you said, let me get my wife in hear, she speaks fluent stroke'' he got so tickled and wore his self out laughing .. He was one of my best friends ever

 

[jasonc]

Except Paul was not a pastor was he ? I would not accept advice about relationships from a divorced person either, a divorced person FAILED at the most important human relationship in their life, many divorced people think they are fit to raise children too.

So a single parent should just not raise her kid ? Adopt.her son can't be a pastor if single?

Man people do make mistakes ,I guess one must have a perfect chold hood to be a parent.

I didn't .the argument here is that,Paul wouldn't have a testimoNY or an example of a good marriage.

If I want one ,I can't go to him.

 

[LovethroughDove]

Everyone knows my opinion on divorce.

If someone divorced before being born again................who cares. If you get a divorce as a born again, you are not born again and you are just blind leading the blind.

 

[Christ_empowered]

I'm hoping that pastor man's divorce will end my dad's fondness for him. my parents went thru a lot of ups and downs in their marriage, but they've always been committed both to each other and to the institution of marriage.

 

[Creative]

SO....

"Although my step-"father" was publically committing adultery with my mother and committing forniscious acts in front of everyone and children and going against everything the Lord taught in the Gospel, he did a pretty good job."

AND...

"Even though Jesus personally established a permanent sacrament of marriage it does not matter if you commit adultery just so long as you do it after you were saved."

I just love those ALTHOUGHS and EVEN THOUGHS. They make life so convenient.

 

[jasonc]

Divorce hurts ..way to often we search for ways to justify our actions. When maybe we should be using that time to make sure what we plan is as God would have it be, befor we act.

The Church has failed to teach God's perspective of marriage.

IMO what a person has done before salvation is a way different ballgame then after. The only Bibical allowance for divorce is adultry

Boy do i need spell check

I woukdnt suggest my wife remain my wife if I try to beat her or rape her.

Just saying

 

[Not_Now.Soon]

There are too many people I love and look up to that are divorced for me to comment on divorce being the standard we keep for others. Within my family I have my uncle and my grandfather, who have both always been a positive influence on our family. But they are both divorced.

Christ Empowered you could be right about the church and the pastor for any number of reasons. But if you've already found fault in the pastor, you don't need to look for new reasons. We all have many issues if someone wants to look for them.

If divorce is an issue, I have to ask. Is it an issue you hold everyone to? If so, then so be it. If not, then be careful for why you see the fault this time. Just some thoughts.

 

[reba]

I woukdnt suggest my wife remain my wife if I try to beat her or rape her.

Just saying

i dont disagree but what do the scriptures say? We need to spend more time thinking before we act...

 

[jasonc]

SO....

"Although my step-"father" was publically committing adultery with my mother and committing forniscious acts in front of everyone and children and going against everything the Lord taught in the Gospel, he did a pretty good job."

AND...

"Even though Jesus personally established a permanent sacrament of marriage it does not matter if you commit adultery just so long as you do it after you were saved."

I just love those ALTHOUGHS and EVEN THOUGHS. They make life so convenient.

So those Kids should openly call him a bad parent aND dishonor him?

I have a dad who wasn't a great Dad to me,I could easily bad mouth him but when I look at his faults and he is Got them .I see he wasn't that bad.if my dad didn't stay with my mom and its not much of a marriage even now.it would have been worse.my parents being lost imho and broken did the best they could

I'm thankful for that.I have told me dad to to f off in my angry days for not teaching me things i should have known.I got convicted of that,I had to repent.my dad also regrets that .he has also been unfaithful once and my mom forgave him I was long past 18 when he did that.I told Him about that.

Good is a matter of perspective.My childhood compared to my wife's was a cake walk.and compared to the broken childhood of my step kids.perspective is the key.I'm not implying these would be great examples,they aren't.