Bible Study do christians have beard? " nor mar the edges of the beard "

[jocor]

I'm assuming this is your answer, so I will say I agree with this, but your post was famed in a different manner. In any even, if this is what you meant by God's law, then I agree.

You assumed correctly. I'm glad we agree.

 

[Kenny_ms]

The Old Covenant is obsolete for believers. The law is not. According to Jer 31:33, the Torah would be written on the hearts and minds of New Covenant believers.

Then according to Jer 31:33, if we don't feel particularly guilty (or it's not written in our heart) about not wearing a beard, then we are fine not wearing one...right?

I see a problem with that already though, why would some of us have it written in our heart and some not?

 

[Kenny_ms]

Did I mention something about people going to sheol for shaving off their beards or not being able to grow one? You obviously misinterpreted me and added your own unrighteous interpretation to make my view seem unjust. Sad indeed.

I probably should reread the laws before I ask this so, just so you know, the question is serious, even if I may be stupid in asking.

Would you say the breaking of any/all of the laws would not send us to Hell? (I assume Sheol is Hell, wish you people would speak English.

 

[Eugene]

Jesus was a Nazarite and because he was perfect, he had taken the Vow of the Nazarite. During the Vow period, the Nazarite was not to cut their hair.

Dear Brother Kenny_ms, although Jesus was raised in Nazareth, where do you read that Jesus took the vow of a Nazarene? He never kept such a vow such as when He approached the dead Lazarus.
Num 6:6 All the days that he separateth himself unto the LORD he shall come at no dead body.

Joh 11:14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead. I have no idea if Jesus' calling forth Lazarus from the dead was considered coming at a dead body.

 

[Kenny_ms]

Eugene, if you will go back to the rest of the post of mine, the one you quoted/replied too, you''ll note I ask that no one quote me on that and it was "as I understood" the reason for the long hair. I apologize if I worded it in such a way I meant it as biblical, it wasn't my intention.

At the same time, I don't know for certain it is not biblical....maybe one of our verse whiz's could comment but, I'd guess we just don't know for certain and probably best to not assume it.

I think it's at least a fair guess, that "come at" would be to "touch" and to "call" Lazarus back from the dead, another fair guess anyway, that would simply mean to bring, or bring him back. We also know Jesus didn't have to touch him to bring him back. So yes, If I had to say, with no more evidence/definitions than we have now, he could have been a Nazarite and brought the dead back without violating the vow. I'm almost curious enough to look into it further now.

Are there accounts of Jesus actually drinking old wine?

 

[Eugene]

I do not know, but Jesus was accused of drinking .
Luk 7:33 For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine; and ye say, He hath a devil.
Luk 7:34 The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!

 

[jocor]

Then according to Jer 31:33, if we don't feel particularly guilty (or it's not written in our heart) about not wearing a beard, then we are fine not wearing one...right?

I see a problem with that already though, why would some of us have it written in our heart and some not?

You can't feel guilty if you believe you have not broken a law of Yahweh. It is the law that provides the knowledge of sin (Romans 3:20). James 2:10 teaches us, among other things, that guilt comes from breaking the law. Remove the law and the guilt and knowledge of sin is removed. One of the adversary's deceptive goals is to get us to sin (break the law) without us knowing it. What better way to accomplish that than to get people to believe the law has been abolished. Certain laws of Yahweh have been made void in the hearts of believers. Once our eyes are opened to the truth that those laws have not been abolished, then the guilt will come. That guilt will then drive us to seek forgiveness through Yeshua who then drives us back to the law to begin obeying it.

Would you say the breaking of any/all of the laws would not send us to Hell? (I assume Sheol is Hell, wish you people would speak English.

If we remain blinded to the law, then we won't have guilt in our own minds, but we will be guilty in the eyes of Yahweh. That guiltiness, however, will not condemn us to sheol because Yeshua's blood cleanses us from sins of ignorance. That guiltiness, however, will have a bearing on our lives in the Kingdom if I am understanding Matthew 5:19 correctly.

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.​

 

[Kenny_ms]

It is the law that provides the knowledge of sin

I thought today, unlike the past, the laws written in out hearts provide us that knowledge?

 

[Kenny_ms]

I do not know, but Jesus was accused of drinking .
Luk 7:33 For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine; and ye say, He hath a devil.
Luk 7:34 The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!

It's almost hard to imagine at some point, the way wine was used back then, he didn't drink some that had at least slightly turned, but very possible he didn't. Another...just don't know.

Yeah, not that we suffered nearly like Jesus but most of us have seen evil people get themselves in a frenzy and just act badly. I've had them steal from me, people that claimed to be Christian even and then actually find a way to blame the victim or justify their entitlement to what you have, crazy thought processes. Funny thing is when you actually confront them, they go speechless, they always know deep inside their justifications are just that, even though they can make themselves actually believe their nonsense to a certain point.

When I read your quoted post about the accusers, I was thinking to myself, I know people just like that. If it weren't so sad how they act, I can almost see them as an entertaining oddity.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Interesting read. Romans 2:13, 14, 15. There is a multitude of other if you search Google with "law written on their heart=Bible" without the quotes.

It can be difficult to perceive but one of the very best Bible Study Tools ever invented is the computer when connected to the web. For a man in the final stage of MS it is essential because all of my study is becoming useless, more and more so, with each new scar on my brain... uh... for as much of one that, ever, I had.

 

[Kenny_ms]

Interesting read. Romans 2:13, 14, 15. There is a multitude of other if you search Google with "law written on their heart=Bible" without the quotes.

It can be difficult to perceive but one of the very best Bible Study Tools ever invented is the computer when connected to the web. For a man in the final stage of MS it is essential because all of my study is becoming useless, more and more so, with each new scar on my brain... uh... for as much of one that, ever, I had.

Not at all difficult. As much as it helps you in your condition, and I'm glad you can still get the comfort of the word on your own, it streamlines things for all of us, not only in the basic study of scripture but deeper study, as in research, getting others opinions, even the pro's opinions and so much more...all at out fingertip.

If the term "this changes everything" ever did apply, it applies here.

 

[jocor]

I thought today, unlike the past, the laws written in out hearts provide us that knowledge?

It does. The law concerning beards cannot be written in your heart if you believe that law is abolished. IMHO, we need to allow that law and several others to be rewritten on our hearts.

 

[th1b.taylor]

It does. The law concerning beards cannot be written in your heart if you believe that law is abolished. IMHO, we need to allow that law and several others to be rewritten on our hearts.

There are 10 laws that God commanded we obey and those ten are written on the heart of any man I have ever sat down and spoken with. I have yet to be convinced that wearing, not wearing, trimming or not trimming the beard was anything more than a principal set for man to follow for successful living.

This is much the same as, "When in Rome, do as the Romans do." And consider this; God knew from the beginning, before man was ever created, that we would/could never live up to the Ten Commandments that, if applied correctly, give us the best illustration of Jesus anyone could ever write. The other 603 Laws of the people of Judah are, everyone of them, are covered by one or possibly more of the Ten Commandments. And Jesus narrowed the entire 613 Jewish Laws down to just two and in those two we find that every possible offense man can commit is covered.

So, why all the concern about trimming a beard? If I want to look like Santa, I let it grow. If I want to look good for my wife, I trim it. And in my best Texan, "It ain't no big deal, my number one lady, my kids, grandkids and God love me, even if I shave it off."

 

[jocor]

There are 10 laws that God commanded we obey and those ten are written on the heart of any man I have ever sat down and spoken with. I have yet to be convinced that wearing, not wearing, trimming or not trimming the beard was anything more than a principal set for man to follow for successful living.

Do those 10 include the 7th day Sabbath? Beards can be trimmed, but not destroyed.

So, why all the concern about trimming a beard? If I want to look like Santa, I let it grow. If I want to look good for my wife, I trim it. And in my best Texan, "It ain't no big deal, my number one lady, my kids, grandkids and God love me, even if I shave it off."

I have no concern about trimming a beard. Destroying it is the problem.

What about, "If I want to look like Yahweh created me to look and obey His command to not destroy my beard, then I won't shave it."
Yes, "God" still loves you, but that doesn't mean you are free to destroy your beard.

 

[Kenny_ms]

It does. The law concerning beards cannot be written in your heart if you believe that law is abolished. IMHO, we need to allow that law and several others to be rewritten on our hearts.

Then there are conditions we weren't told about when we were told the laws would be written in our heart?

Seems to me either they would be written or they wouldn't be and that he would have commented something like "That is, unless you won't let them be written or unless you think they are abolished." or mentioned something about the conditions, like, well ....you know how the bible works, with something like that we would likely see several verses that amounted to, and these are NOT verses, just examples of things we might see if what you say is true "But they wouldn't let the laws into their heart" "but they believed the law no longer existed and would not take them into their heart". See what I mean? Those are found nowhere.

Gods pretty powerful and if he says he going to do something, it'll likely be done, in spite of what I think.

I'm trying to be convinced here, but I'm not...this one doesn't nag me in the slightest. Seems to me there would be something at least telling me to let it in my heart and grow a beard or do whatever law I should be doing.

Guess we'll have to end this pretty quickly but one last question..... the sin of breaking the laws you mention some feel are abolished, is that a damnable sin in your view? I asked someone that already not too long ago just not sure it was you or not?

 

[jocor]

Then there are conditions we weren't told about when we were told the laws would be written in our heart?

Seems to me either they would be written or they wouldn't be and that he would have commented something like "That is, unless you won't let them be written or unless you think they are abolished." or mentioned something about the conditions, like, well ....you know how the bible works, with something like that we would likely see several verses that amounted to, and these are NOT verses, just examples of things we might see if what you say is true "But they wouldn't let the laws into their heart" "but they believed the law no longer existed and would not take them into their heart". See what I mean? Those are found nowhere.

Gods pretty powerful and if he says he going to do something, it'll likely be done, in spite of what I think.

If there are no conditions, then we should just accept what He said; that He would write them on the heart of New Covenant believers. He didn't say He would only write some of them or only nine of the 10 commandments. So if they are all written on our hearts, then why aren't we obeying all of them? Because we have been taught by man not to obey them because they are supposedly abolished.

He also said, "I will put my laws into their mind" Heb 8:10. If the laws are in our minds, then how can they be abolished? As I see it, Satan has raised up his false teachers and false apostles to mess with our minds by teaching the law is abolished. How can the very thing that tells us we are sinning be abolished? If true, then there can be no sin anymore. The fact that we do sin and know it is sin is because we believe whatever law we broke has not been abolished. The reason I know I sinned because I stole something is because I believe that is a law I should obey, but if we are taught that the law about not destroying our beard is abolished, then I will not know I have sinned by destroying it.

I'm trying to be convinced here, but I'm not...this one doesn't nag me in the slightest. Seems to me there would be something at least telling me to let it in my heart and grow a beard or do whatever law I should be doing.

That is why we must have our minds renewed. The world and even the church says, "Shave!", but Yahweh says, "Don't shave."

Psalm 119:126 It is time for thee, YHWH, to work: for they have made void thy law.
Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
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Some will make void the law, but we should establish (make to stand) the law.

Guess we'll have to end this pretty quickly but one last question..... the sin of breaking the laws you mention some feel are abolished, is that a damnable sin in your view? I asked someone that already not too long ago just not sure it was you or not?

It is not a damnable sin. However, that is not grounds to go our merry way and continue to break Yahweh's laws. There are consequences for doing so, but I do not believe damnation is one of them.

 

[Kenny_ms]

He didn't say He would only write some of them or only nine of the 10 commandments.

Did he actually say he would write all of them or for that matter, the same laws in every heart? I would assume so but maybe we need to prove that?

For all I know, all he has written in my heart is in my heart and you are the one that chooses to add others so you see, by that and what we have already argued, we are just going to keep going in circles here. You have not proved your point to me and I have not proved mine to you still

He also said, "I will put my laws into their mind" Heb 8:10. If the laws are in our minds, then how can they be abolished?

Don't you see what you are doing there? that is YOU choosing what he has put in my mind, not God.

How can the very thing that tells us we are sinning be abolished?

Because the commandments tell us we are sinning? That is if you still don't understand we are sinful.

That is why we must have our minds renewed.

Again, mine is but since my hearts rules don't agree with yours, you are really saying *I* need to have my mind renewed, yours already has been....right?

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

That could be taken a few ways, one of which is, We establish the law through faith and no longer need the actual law to show us we sin. But lets not argue that now and move to the following

Psalm 119:126 It is time for thee, YHWH, to work: for they have made void thy law..

We might be getting somewhere now. Pretty convincing, at least for when it was written.

But then there is:

Matthew 5:18, For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

The big question there would be, has all been fulfilled? or what exactly does that mean?...Did Jesus death and resurrection fulfill it all? And if it doesn't mean that, you tell me what it means?

 

[th1b.taylor]

Do those 10 include the 7th day Sabbath? Beards can be trimmed, but not destroyed.

? Of course it includes the Sabbath but was the trimming of the beards another rhetorical and dumb question? If you are seeking to become Legalistic edited don't do that to yourself, please. You are smart enough to know why Christians worship on the first day and you know when that happened.

 

[Stan1953]

The way I understood it was, the beard of course, is understandable and the long hair may have been assumed because Jesus was a Nazarite and because he was perfect, he had taken the Vow of the Nazarite. During the Vow period, the Nazarite was not to cut their hair.
Don't quote me on that and I'm not certain if it was even Biblical, but it could explain the assumptions of why he is usually depicted as he is.

Jesus was a Nazarene, NOT a Nazarite. This is a common misconception that I believe was started by Garner Ted Armstrong. Jesus' hair was like most men of his day as was his appearance, which is why Judas had to actually go up to Him and kiss Him on the cheek to show exactly who he was to the temple guards.

 

[Stan1953]

I have had a beard for many years. Not as glorious as Bill Taylor's though. There were cultist practices during the early Hebrew times and the cult followers would mar their beards with various designs. The Hebrew men were not to make such designs but to let them grow naturally. If I'm at fault, it's keeping mine short.

Me too Chopper....the older I get the shorter I want my beard to be, BUT....I only cut it once a month because I'm retired and never get out to see anyone.
I just bought a new Wahl beard trimmer with multiple heads for different uses.