Do I need to accept Christ as my Lord & Savior? Why?

[Novum]

I can show people many infallable proofs about the Bible but they won't believe.

Then they're hardly infallible now, aren't they?

I'm trying to say this politely but if someone has dark colored sunglasses on then what exactly are they going to see?

Something dark. That still doesn't mean you can call your proof "infallible", because if it were infallible, it wouldn't matter what kind of glasses I'm wearing. I think you need a better word.

 

[Novum]

Nice cut and paste, you should have taken a few more moments to read the rest of that paragraph before writing a contradicting reply. (I've underlined it for you :wink: )

No cut and paste involved, and you may kindly stop assuming as such. I read your entire post before I began my reply, and I stand by what I said.

BTW, you have an opinion to share; as you have been sharing. Just because that's a part of your agenda, doesn't mean it's bad and I dont' think I've ever said or emplied that it was.

You sure like claiming that I have an agenda, yet you have been completely unable to articulate what you believe it is. How odd.

I don't need to discuss my differences with you just so I can understand your point of view.

How, StoveBolts, do you intend to learn about my point of view if you don't discuss with me?

You said that you like to learn about Christians, well, I'm a Christian and I hope you've learned something about me and my nature.

I sure have, and I honestly don't understand how you function in the real world; what with your belief you can understand people's points of view without talking to them.

Would you like to talk about cars? I've got a 1968 Camaro. If I get home tomorrow I'm going to put the headers back on, do a few other things and take her for a spin (knock on wood). Hopefully next week I can take it to the dyno as I'm looking for about 500 ponies! Ya know, that car sat on blocks for almost two years. I built the engine myself, would you like to see some pictures?
The block is a 350 4 bolt main. I'm running a set of forged .030 pistons, 7 quart oil pan with baffle, Dart heads (2.02 1.60 stainless valves) Wiend single plane high rise with an 850 double pump holly. I've got .540 lift with solid lifters, custom push rods with a set of ProMagnum Roller rockers. The entire ignition system is MSD from the 7AL to the distributor. Power is transfered through a turbo 350 with a coen rebuild kit including a manual valve body, reverse shift pattern, 10 inch 2800 stahl and applied to a set of 372 posi rear end.

Would you like to talk about cars some more? I don't think you should restrict your life to just an aspect of a Christians life. Yes, I'm a Christian, but I am also a father, a son, a friend and an aquantence depending on who you are and how you view me.

I'm happy that you enjoy talking about cars. I have a number of cousins who have the same hobby and I can certainly understand where you're coming from.

I fail to understand, however, how your car analogy applies to this discussion. The two bolded sentences above appear to be a complete non-sequitur.

 

[DivineNames]

The difference is that a criminal could have entered Noah's ark and could have been saved. No one kept criminals or unbelievers out of the ark.

How is that a difference? Are you saying that people don't have a choice when it comes to stealing?

No one is forced to steal unless their friends force them to and a person can still disobey.

So what is the difference then?

 

[Sothenes]

Whomsoever wills may come.

John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

A lot of people teach that you can lose your salvation but Jesus says,'him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out".

 

[DivineNames]

I can show people many infallable proofs about the Bible but they won't believe.

I hope you have something better than (a) the "science" of the Bible, or (b) all the prophecies that Jesus supposedly fulfilled.

If you do, then what exactly?

 

[DivineNames]

Whomsoever wills may come.

What? What is the freaking difference? Please explain yourself.

John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

A lot of people teach that you can lose your salvation but Jesus says,'him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out".

But that doesn't necessarily mean that you can't lose your salvation. It may be that although Jesus will not "cast out" someone, a person could still "cast out" themselves.

 

[Sothenes]

Whomsoever wills may come.

What? What is the freaking difference? Please explain yourself.

John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

You either come to Jesus or you don't come.

Here are definition of the word "come" from:

http://www.wordreference.com/definition/come

1 come

come to pass; arrive, as in due course

2 come

be found or available


5 come

have a certain priority; "My family comes first"
Category Tree:

8 come, come up

move toward, travel toward something or somebody or approach something or somebody; "He came singing down the road"; "Come with me to the Casbah"; "come down here!"; "come out of the closet!"; "come into the room"

 

[DivineNames]

Whomsoever wills may come.

What? What is the freaking difference? Please explain yourself.

John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

You either come to Jesus or you don't come.

Here are definition of the word "come" from:

http://www.wordreference.com/definition/come

1 come

come to pass; arrive, as in due course

2 come

be found or available


5 come

have a certain priority; "My family comes first"
Category Tree:

8 come, come up

move toward, travel toward something or somebody or approach something or somebody; "He came singing down the road"; "Come with me to the Casbah"; "come down here!"; "come out of the closet!"; "come into the room"

OK, I have come to the conclusion that you don't have an answer.

 

[Slydell]

Here are definition of the word "come":

I understand very well the definition of the word "come". But obviously we can't physically move closer to him - his body is no longer on this Earth. Therefore, it must be a spiritual movement, and I think that isn't as one-dimensional (meaning you're either closer or you're farther away - no gray areas) as you'd like to think.

 

[Sothenes]

OK, I have come to the conclusion that you don't have an answer.

I need you to define what your question is. Difference between what? You didn't communicate what it is.

What is the difference between choosing not to go become a Christian and landing in hell verses never making a decision.

The difference is that you get to choose. There are only two places which are heaven and hell. If you don't want God but you want heaven then there is a problem because God will be there. If you don't want heaven then you have to accept hell. God doesn't choose hell or heaven for you but gives you the choice. The difference is that you get to choose where you want to go.

God can give you happiness, love, peace, joy, health, incorruption, and world without end or you can keep the slop in this world.

If God offered to trade my car with a Rolls Royce, I would be sick not to take it but so many people want to hold on to their junker.