Do you believe in Aliens ?

[vaultzero]

What would the spiritual consequence be of finding a talking dragon living at the bottom of loch ness?

There is a much scientific evidence for that as there is for intelligent alien life forms visiting earth.

I do not feel personally the need to discuss the consequences of either.

Edited to respond:

I do not know because it has not happened today, and I do not attempt to guess God's will for tomorrow as much as I am able resist that temptation.

 

[johnny botwright]

Vaultzero, what would be the impact on the world false flag or other wise,if there was official, disclosure, that there was alien life and had been alien encounters?


Is it all about deception? demonic deception. what does it change if we believe in aliens, or an alien threat ?



The Fourth Riech world domination.


http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=122397

 

[Scootaloo]

What would the spiritual consequence be of finding a talking dragon living at the bottom of loch ness?

There is a much scientific evidence for that as there is for intelligent alien life forms visiting earth.

I do not feel personally the need to discuss the consequences of either.

Edited to respond:

I do not know because it has not happened today, and I do not attempt to guess God's will for tomorrow as much as I am able resist that temptation.

True, there is zero evidence for both, but consider this: Loch Ness is a small place, and is easily searchable. Furthermore, the probability of a monster of Nessie's description living there is very very small. But for aliens, there is a whole universe of possibility out there. It's unlikely that God created us alone; we probably have friends somewhere else in the universe, too. You can't search all of space to disprove the existence of a singular, allegedly "observed" thing. The very nature of the existence of Aliens suggests that they, at some point, will come and visit.

 

[vaultzero]

Vaultzero regarding your post below, what would be the impact on the world false flag or other wise,if there was official, disclosure, that there was alien life and had been alien encounters

Edit:
I think you are getting at an alien event being part of the end times and giving man a natural explanation for religion and causing the world to fall under some NWO. Am I correct in reading into that being what you meant?

 

[vaultzero]

True, there is zero evidence for both, but consider this: Loch Ness is a small place, and is easily searchable. Furthermore, the probability of a monster of Nessie's description living there is very very small. But for aliens, there is a whole universe of possibility out there. It's unlikely that God created us alone; we probably have friends somewhere else in the universe, too. You can't search all of space to disprove the existence of a singular, allegedly "observed" thing. The very nature of the existence of Aliens suggests that they, at some point, will come and visit.

I think there is hope for this by many, but really not evidenced. We have found nothing in science that says interstellar travel is even possible even if God did create another earth somewhere.

Just some pretty good movies and TV shows about flying around in space.

 

[Hitch]

I did for a while but menopause does not last forever.

 

[Scootaloo]

I think there is hope for this by many, but really not evidenced. We have found nothing in science that says interstellar travel is even possible even if God did create another earth somewhere.

Just some pretty good movies and TV shows about flying around in space.

What science has said that we can't go between stars, or even galaxies? There is nothing to suggest that we can't. It would just take a really really long time.

 

[vaultzero]

The energy requirements

 

[jasoncran]

when we have ample evidence of an intellegent contact asking who we are and it doesnt say dont believe in jesus. then i will believe in aliens.

warp drive, space fold and stargates and hyperdrives arent possible but things of phantasy.

 

[Pizzaguy]

What science has said that we can't go between stars, or even galaxies? There is nothing to suggest that we can't.

There is nothing to suggest we, or any other life form CAN.

You are not thinking about the distances involved.

It would just take a really really long time.

No, that is simply not correct. If we could travel at LIGHT SPEED, it would take a long time. But at the speeds we can actually travel (and this goes for the aliens, too) - you simply cant travel between stars.

Say you get to 24,000 mph (a reasonable speed with our technology). YOu are looking at 75,000 years to make it to the NEAREST star. (Just over 4.5 light years away). And once you get there, you will realize, you have wasted your time - there is nothing there but a star - no planets at all! You have almost 5 times farther to go to get to a star with a planet. And that system has no habitual planets - you have MUCH farther to go.

You need THOUSANDS of times more speed.

Want to go faster and make it more practical? Fine. So, you tell ME:

Where are you going to get the energy?

If you get to a good fraction of lightspeed, then:

How do you navigate? How do you communicate? You are traveling at a fration of lightspeed (think about the physics of that and the problems it introduces).
How do you deal with the TREMENDOUS impact that even DUST has at such speeds?

How do you deal with the g-forces of acceleration and deceleration? I mean, IF you get to, say, 1/4 light speed, you can travel to the nearest star, 4.5 light years away, in 10 years, right? WRONG. You have got to build up speed slowly and then slow down gradually at the other end, or you will kill your space cadets with the g-forces. (They are space cadets if they were stupid enough to get on your ship!)

These are not just academic questions, they are the reasons that you and I are as stranded here as any aliens are on THEIR planets.


Belief in space travel is for those who have never done the math, or for the dreamers. I like dreamers, but I don't get my science from them and that includes Carl Sagan.

 

[Potluck]

Fascinating.
Aliens must exist by probability therefore the probability of visitation.
Basing one probability on another isn't scientific. Science simply provides data, the stars are there, they are some distance away, many have planets and there are a lot of them. Science provides no conclusions. We do that with the data presented.

Science provides no data about aliens. We make the conclusion that a probability exists. Though the deduction is based on the data science provides it's up to us to make certain decisions right or wrong.

Science provides no data about aliens.
But we feel they must exist.

Science provides no data about aliens.
But we feel visitation is inevitable.

Science provides data on the physics of achieving space travel, the hard data, the facts as Pizzaguy has attempted to point out. Science provides facts, not opinion, supposition or conjecture. To support opinion it may be necessary to ignore some or most of the facts. We love our intrigue, we support imaginative thought and we love to dream. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that for through those we can attempt to develop the science to provide us with facts that may make those things possible.

We say there is a probability that aliens exist. We may say since that's probable then aliens will or have visited. What we didn't say is by what means we connect the two. Looking at point A and projecting to point C is fine but without point B there's no real way of going anywhere much less to point C.

I suppose there are two ways of looking at the universe. Personally I choose to focus on what powers the universe while another may focus on what's being powered. What powers the universe and much of how it works isn't a dream. It's based solidly on fact. I guess the dream could be that of finding out those things but basically it's all based on facts.
On the other hand much of what is being powered, other civilizations in this case, aren't based on facts but again, probabilities, opinions and conjecture. There are no facts about alien lifeforms.

Dreams are the engine of human development but all dreams do not come to reality. In an issue of Popular Mechanics back in the 60's I remember reading that we would be flying as commonly as we drive a car by the year 2000. The dream wasn't flawed for a dream wouldn't be a dream without imagination. But as some dreams go the facts aren't yet known. As the years went by the facts became apparent that flying by the year 2000 wasn't going to be a reality. Maybe someday, and the dream goes on. Who knows. Maybe, maybe not. Depends on the facts

I believe the biggest problem we face of collecting facts is the decline in graduates in the fields of physics, engineering and mathematics. We have also pretty much put our space exploration activities on the back burner due mostly to the economic woes we face on a global scale. The ever-present argument that money be spent on social issues such as entitlements appears to be winning. Whether by necessity or not, right or wrong or something in between, the fact remains we are spending much less time and money unraveling the mysteries of the last frontier. Right now is the first time in my lifetime that I can remember not having an ongoing space program. Our eyes are turning inward. I hope it's simply an effort to regroup. Again, the dream. ;)

 

[Classik]

Pizzaguy and Potluck, you guys are good. I love your thinking. You need publishing


But the answer is simple. If you want space traveling, if you want to see the United states of the Aliens, just tell an Angel of God to take you there. Perhaps we need to die first to get there. And maybe we go across there to get to heaven.


How about demon traveling? How about the demons who travel from earth to the rest of the universe? Befriend them (as we are taught never to hate demons) and they'd give you the gist, or even play you a cd.

God opens the eyes of some people, and they see demons. Isn't a demon an alien?

How about our new micro organism everyday? Some fall from the sky. Are they not aliens too?
:toofunny

what does an alien look like in the first place? Are they like:

let's go steal their technology, people. [highlight]Enjoy this Stormcrowick alien stuff!![/highlight]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zJWA3Vo6TU

 

[vaultzero]

when we have ample evidence of an intellegent contact asking who we are and it doesnt say dont believe in jesus. then i will believe in aliens.

warp drive, space fold and stargates and hyperdrives arent possible but things of phantasy.

And in the context of aliens carrying out end times, you assume they would tell you not to believe, or that it would be aliens at all?

We can not know His will until revealed to us, and attempting to use human reason is folly. I struggle enough with the daily tasks.

 

[vaultzero]

Science provides no data about aliens. We make the conclusion that a probability exists. Though the deduction is based on the data science provides it's up to us to make certain decisions right or wrong.

Science provides no data about aliens.
But we feel they must exist.

Science provides no data about aliens.
But we feel visitation is inevitable.

Yes, this conclusion in science has seemed to always out run the evidence, hasn't it?

I think we could fill a few pages of why.

 

[jasoncran]

And in the context of aliens carrying out end times, you assume they would tell you not to believe, or that it would be aliens at all?

We can not know His will until revealed to us, and attempting to use human reason is folly. I struggle enough with the daily tasks.

most of these new agers and also some of the alien encounters have stated the intellegence contacted them and said do this or that but dont believe in jesus whatever you do.

the bible says whoever confesses not the son of god has come is an antichrist.

 

[Scootaloo]

most of these new agers and also some of the alien encounters have stated the intellegence contacted them and said do this or that but dont believe in jesus whatever you do.

the bible says whoever confesses not the son of god has come is an antichrist.

So anyone who is not a Christian is the Antichrist? As a collective?

 

[jasoncran]

So anyone who is not a Christian is the Antichrist? As a collective?

in a nutshell if they deny the fact christ came. they operate in that spirit. all antichrist means is agaisnt christ.

 

[johnny botwright]

For myself the questions raised , in whose intrest would it be to create such a deception, and how is this deception being used ?

Its stated that the secret opps programes are 40 years ahead of main stream, with technology, ?

Again what of human hybrids, clones, dna engineering. super soliders, cyborgs

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyborg

if they exsist, have been created , can they also be host to spiritual forces of darkness.

if you had such technology? and such hybrids , alien in nature, just how bigger delusion could you create ?


And another question what Technology exsists out side of this Realm, in the Heavenly Realms, how many Heavenly realms are there?, i have heard it said there are three ?



Higher middle and lower, what life forms are there, for instance are demons fallen angels if not where do demons come from ?

Sodam and Gomorrah destroyed by fire and brim stone ? its said the anti christ to, can bring fire down from the heavens, ? a weapon/ technology ?



Aliens are demons thread


http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?p=1060568748&posted=1#post1060568748





A man calling him self yawah prophet sumonds a UFO live on news camera ?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNnllwGmUB8&feature=player_embedded






The army of God, a simular belief held by many ? a war fare in the heavens ?



http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=40787&page=36







ufo sightings dramaticaly increase





http://auntyilluminati.blogspot.com/2012/01/great-end-of-world-hoax-part-i.html




johnny

 

[Potluck]

So now aliens are spiritual beings? mmm, K.
Since when did any of God's angels or demons need spacecraft?
Ok, so since there seems to be a comparison being tossed out there then how do you, yourself, compare to an angel? You're physical and the thread is dealing with physical aliens.
Unless one wants to call aliens spiritual beings in which case I don't see how one can then believe in aliens if they are spiritual and not believe in angels, demons and the existence of God. Or are there angels, demons, aliens and God doesn't exist?

Aliens = spiritual beings.
I don't believe in spiritual beings such as angels and demons but I believe aliens are spiritual beings.
If I do believe in spiritual beings then there must be a spiritual realm in which they reside but I don't believe in anything religious.
How does that work?


Aliens aren't spiritual beings, they are physical but those believing in religion believe in spiritual beings.
Therefore I can compare aliens to angels and demons even though I don't believe in angels.



So, the question:
How do you compare yourself, a physical being, to an angel?
Even if you believe in angels how do you do that?
Or how do you compare yourself to an alien if aliens are spiritual even though you don't believe in spiritual things?
Physical beings must follow physical rules. It physics. How do physical aliens use spiritual attributes to get from point A to point B regardless if you believe in angels or not?


So, Christians believe God exists but people who don't believe God exists constantly confront them because they claim there is no evidence for such a belief.

But...

Those who don't believe God exists believe aliens exist even though there is no evidence for such a belief.

Again:


Therefore the two sides of the coin rely on belief. One believes in angels and the other believes in aliens both of which really have no physical evidence for either to exist.




So where do we go from here?

 

[johnny botwright]

Life is full of mystery
i dont know. is the answer, i wouldnt be suprised if there was or was not, other life in the universe, ect
i dont know all of what God has created, when where or why. ?

this all could have been created for our benefit, its written it will all pass away, heaven and earth will pass away but Gods words will not pass away,

then there will be a new heaven and a new earth.

the real mystery for me, the greatest mystery, is the Lord saying Fear Nothing, I Am with you, the hope of glory christ Jesus in our hearts, how we can be joined, conected, to the source of all life,
not just a force but a spirit, a person, a heavenly father,one who sticks closer than a brother, to each other in the same spirit.

to know the Lords presence, love, and spirit with you, within you. its the most beautiful thing, and so natural, peacefull. power full when needs must.

I look to the Hills where does my help come from, from the Lord who made the Heavens and the Earth.

johnny



What Jason would you offer as a clear perspective to this subject, phenomin, your conclusion and why ?