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Do you believe in hell?

chessman said:
Yes. Remember it (torment) as long as there's day and night and Earth and pain:

Genesis 8:22 As long as the earth endures, seed and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night will not cease.
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But we all know these things don't last forever:

2 Peter 3:11-15 Because all these things are being destroyed in this way, what sort of people must you be in holy behavior and godliness, while waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be destroyed by being burned up and the celestial bodies will melt as they are consumed by heat! But according to his promise, we are waiting for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness resides. Therefore, dear friends, because you are waiting for these things, make every effort to be found at peace, spotless and unblemished in him. And regard the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as also our dear brother Paul wrote to you, according to the wisdom that was given to him,

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea did not exist any longer.

Revelation 21:4 And he will wipe away every tear from their eyes,and death will not exist any longer,and mourning or wailing or pain will not exist any longer.The former things have passed away.”
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Physical heavens and physical earth.

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. 11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.
2 Peter 3:10-13


JLB
 
JLB said:
Physical pain, that comes from a physical body?

NOT!
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1 Corinthians 15:42-49 (ESV) :
42 So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable; what is raised is imperishable. 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power. 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46 But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual. 47 The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is from heaven. 48 As was the man of dust, so also are those who are of the dust, and as is the man of heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. 49 Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the man of heaven.​
 
OzSpen said:
1 Corinthians 15:42-49 (ESV) :
42 So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable; what is raised is imperishable. 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power. 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46 But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual. 47 The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is from heaven. 48 As was the man of dust, so also are those who are of the dust, and as is the man of heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. 49 Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the man of heaven.​
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Thanks for sharing this scripture.

What is the point that you are making?


JLB
 
Sheol is referred to 66 times in the old testament.A temporary abode for those souls that entered in.

Jesus, being a Jew and raised on temple teachings would have known about Sheol (Hades) where the spirit of man resides. While the body, the flesh, enters the grave.Genesis 37:35 is the first time scripture refers to Sheol.
Sheol was later translated to Hell for the new testament king James version of scriptures.As well as translated to mean, grave and pit.
 
white hamster said:
Sheol is referred to 66 times in the old testament.A temporary abode for those souls that entered in.

Jesus, being a Jew and raised on temple teachings would have known about Sheol (Hades) where the spirit of man resides. While the body, the flesh, enters the grave.Genesis 37:35 is the first time scripture refers to Sheol.
Sheol was later translated to Hell for the new testament king James version of scriptures.As well as translated to mean, grave and pit.
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That's a much better hamster pic there, i like the sunlight thing going on. Awww.

Correct, sheol/hades is the grave, people without consciousness reside there..believers and nonbelievers are there now.
 
DRS81 said:
That's a much better hamster pic there, i like the sunlight thing going on. Awww.

Correct, sheol/hades is the grave, people without consciousness reside there..believers and nonbelievers are there now.
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Nope...believers are in heaven.The nonbelievers souls in hades are very conscious and aware they are there.
 
DRS81 said:
That's a much better hamster pic there, i like the sunlight thing going on. Awww.

Correct, sheol/hades is the grave, people without consciousness reside there..believers and nonbelievers are there now.
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So you believe Paul is unconscious in the Grave at this moment?
 
2 Cor 5:8~~we are of good courage, I say, and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord.

Just do a quick study of the Greek, and it is Immediately face to face with The Lord( At home)

Paul was not thinking and excited to be in the Grave.
 
in english 'immediately' is okay to say, and actually accurate in a way, (but not in the way 'normally?' thought,
but no one is raised until later as far as those of us still under the 'constraint' of time is concerned. the greek way of life over all sure messed up /confused/ a lot of what people think and believe today. as(when and if) people find out more from the Creator, the mess up gets cleaned up for them, and then not until later for all others. (pure grace, thankfully). always completely all in line with all of Scripture as Abba makes it known.
 
DRS81 said:
That's a much better hamster pic there, i like the sunlight thing going on. Awww.

Correct, sheol/hades is the grave, people without consciousness reside there..believers and nonbelievers are there now.
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This is not a correct understanding of Sheol/Hades in the OT.

This is taken from one of my articles online: ‘Torment in Old Testament hell? The meaning of Sheol in the OT’.

There are many things in the OT that are vague when compared with the clearer NT revelation, thanks to the Lord revealing more with the NT. This is what happens with God's progressive revelation from OT to NT.

Therefore, it should not surprise us that when the OT prophets stated many things about Sheol – the place to which people departed at death – they did not expound in depth on it. That was given to the NT to explain further. Sadly, the KJV translates Sheol as “hell” (31 times); “grave” (31 times) and “pit” (3 times). Because of this kind of inconsistency, this has given opportunity to various groups (JWs, Armstrongism, SDAs, etc.) to teach, wrongly, that Sheol means the grave.

However, the following examples of the use of Sheol use figurative language to explain the conditions there. These include:

  1. Sheol has “gates” to enter and “bars” to keep one in (e.g. Job 17:16; Isa. 38:10). Thus, by use of this figurative language, Sheol is described as a realm from which there is no way to escape.
  2. Sheol is described as a shadowy place, a place of darkness (Job 10:21-22; Ps 143:3).
  3. Sheol is regarded as being “down”, “beneath the earth”, in “the lower parts of the earth” (Job 11:8; Isa 44:23; 57:9; Ezek 26:20; Amos 9:2). These figures of speech are designed to tell us that Sheol has another existence – it is not part of this world that we live in. But there is another existence that has a different dimension. It is not sending the dead into non-existence or to be annihilated.
  4. It is a place for reunion with ancestors, tribe or people (e.g. Gen 15:15; 25:8; 35:29; 37:35; 49:33; Num 20:24, 28; 31:2; Deut 32:50; 34:5; 2 Sam 12:23). Sheol is the place where all human beings go at death. Jacob looked forward to his reuniting with Joseph in Sheol. These OT references confirm that death meant separation from the living, but reunion with the departed.
  5. There are indications that there could be different sections in Sheol with language such as “the lowest part” and “the highest part” (Deut 32:22).
  6. What are the conditions for a person who goes to Sheol? At death a person becomes a rephaim, i.e. a ghost, shade, disembodied spirit, according to the Hebrew lexicons and dictionaries of the OT (see Job 26:5; Ps 88:10; Prov 2:18; 9:18; 21:16; Isa 14:9; 26:14, 19). Instead of saying that human beings pass into non-existence at death, the OT states that a person becomes a disembodied spirit. Keil & Delitzsch in their OT commentary define rephaim as “those who are bodiless in the state after death” (Vol 4 on Job, p. 52).
  7. Those in Sheol converse with each other and can even make moral judgments on the lifestyle of those who arrive (Isa 14:9-20; 44:23; Ezek 32:21). So, they are conscious beings when in Sheol.
  8. Those in Sheol do not have knowledge of what is happening for those who are still alive on earth (Ps 6:5; Eccles 9:10, etc.)
  9. Some of the spirits in Sheol experience the following:
a. God’s anger (Deut 32:22). Here, Moses states of the wicked that “a fire is kindled by my anger and it burns to the depths of Sheol” (ESV).
b. Distress and anguish (Ps 116:3);
c. There is writhing with pain; they are trembling (Job 26:5). Here the Hebrew word, chool, means to twist and turn in pain like a woman giving birth to a child.

From the OT revelation, we know that the righteous and the wicked went to Sheol at death (Gen. 37:5), but the OT believers did not have a clear understanding of what to expect in Sheol. That was left for the progressive revelation of the NT to reveal more for us. Because of this principle of progressive revelation, the OT believers did not have the information that was needed to approach death with peace and joy (see Heb. 2:14-15).

Not once does Sheol in the OT mean non-existence or annihilation.
 
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