Do you believe in ONE Gospel ???

[dan p]

Hi to all , and I believe in one gospel , but which one is it ???

In Gal 2: 7 , But contrariwise , when they saw that the Gospel of the Uncircumcision was committed unto to me ( Paul ) , as the Circumcision was unto Peter .

1) The Context here , inverse 9 , with James , and Peter .

2) In verse 2 , Paul is preaching to Gentiles , and not Jews .

3) Eph 2:12 , tells who the Uncircumcision is , and they are Gentiles .

4) The Circumcision , per Eph 2:12 is talking about Jews , and the Gentiles , by Eph 2:12 were NEVER under a covenant nor under the New Covenant either and Eph 2:12 is proof of my premise .

5) You can not help but notice that in Gal 2:7 , Paul is called the " gospel of the circumcision " but that the KJV adds in verse 7 , THE GOSPEL of the circumcision . The words " THE GOSPEL " are not in the Greek Text when it talks about Peter because they are in ITALITICS .

6) So we see that there are 2 gospels mentioned in Gal 2:7 .

7) But wait , in Gal 3:8 we see another one , where Abram had a Gospel preached to him , and know we have 3 gospels , but with a different timeline .

8) But there is one MORE , in Rev 14:6 , and is called " the everlastng gospel " and verse 7 which a is " a bad News Gospel " of Judgment .

9) Then in Matt 24: 14 , we have the " gospel of the kingdom " that will be preached during the Great Tribulation and is for those BELIEVERS that want to go through the GT , but you have ENDURE , Matt 24:13 , until the END OF THE TRIBULATION .

 

[Nick]

Ok, that was VERY confusing.

But from what I think I understood, my thoughts are that these two gospels that are being talked about, one is the gospel of man and the other is the gospel of God. I don't think they're talking about the individual gospels that are Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

 

[dan p]

Ok, that was VERY confusing.

But from what I think I understood, my thoughts are that these two gospels that are being talked about, one is the gospel of man and the other is the gospel of God. I don't think they're talking about the individual gospels that are Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

Hi Nick 29 , The Holy Spirit says that there is the Gospel of the Uncircumcision , by Paul that Paul preached to Gentiles .

Then there is the Gospel to the Circumcision , that Peter preached to Jews only .

Gospel , just means " good news " , but the Good news that Paul preached was different than what Peter preached .

 

[Nick]

[quote="Nick_29":140aovw3]Ok, that was VERY confusing.

But from what I think I understood, my thoughts are that these two gospels that are being talked about, one is the gospel of man and the other is the gospel of God. I don't think they're talking about the individual gospels that are Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

Hi Nick 29 , The Holy Spirit says that there is the Gospel of the Uncircumcision , by Paul that Paul preached to Gentiles .

Then there is the Gospel to the Circumcision , that Peter preached to Jews only .

Gospel , just means " good news " , but the Good news that Paul preached was different than what Peter preached .[/quote:140aovw3]
Can you please explain this further?

 

[dan p]

[quote="dan p":1xgskj65][quote="Nick_29":1xgskj65]Ok, that was VERY confusing.

But from what I think I understood, my thoughts are that these two gospels that are being talked about, one is the gospel of man and the other is the gospel of God. I don't think they're talking about the individual gospels that are Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

Hi Nick 29 , The Holy Spirit says that there is the Gospel of the Uncircumcision , by Paul that Paul preached to Gentiles .

Then there is the Gospel to the Circumcision , that Peter preached to Jews only .

Gospel , just means " good news " , but the Good news that Paul preached was different than what Peter preached .[/quote:1xgskj65]
Can you please explain this further?[/quote:1xgskj65]

Hi , and in Eph 2:11 we shall know that the Un-circumcision are Gentiles and are called the Un-circumcision.

In the same verse the Jews are called the Circumcision .

These that definition are 2 different groups of People and these message by Paul and Peter are 2 different messages , but we always have those that say , that it is the same message , BUT 2 different people .

Notice also that the Gentiles are NOT CONNECTED to the Covenant given to Israel in verse 12 or to the commonwealth of Israel , and those that belive in ONLY one Gospel put the Body of Christ under the New Covenant , and Eph 1:12 is NOT believed by the One Gospel believer .

 

[cyberjosh]

Well, I was actually surprised to discover that the KJV has a more accurate translation of the Greek than the modern versions I usually use in Galatians 2:7 with the genitive "gospel of the" rather than "gospel to", but I still take reservation to believing that Paul would say there are two Gospels (implying Jesus as the subject matter - if not then gospel [Greek: euangellion) is not being used as a theological term here, because Paul earlier affirmed that there really is only one Gospel, the "Gospel of Christ" Gal 1:7). I recently purchased a Galatians commentary by Timothy George, dean of Beeson Divinity School, and I will consult it to see if there is any commentary on this verse when I get home.

 

[Nick]

Hmmm....well there are two covenants, and the Jews were under the first and the Gentiles not, but now with the new convenant, anyone can be under it. That's how I understand it.

I'm pretty sure only one gospel message was preached.

 

[veteran]

That idea is called Dispensationalism. It began in the 1800's along with the pre-trib "secret rapture" theory. The Dispensationalist idea of two separate Gospels is against Holy Writ, and it's easy to settle.


Gal 1:11-12
11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
(KJV)

Apostle Paul said The Gospel he preached was given him directly by our Lord Jesus Christ.

Gal 2:2
2 And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.
(KJV)

Paul went up to Jerusalem and declared to Christ's disciples there of what Gospel he preached.

Gal 2:7-8
7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
8 (For He That wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles
(KJV)

Both Paul and Peter were given to preach The Gospel to both Jews and Gentiles. All those Gal.2 verses are showing is that Peter's administration of The Gospel was especially among his Jewish brethren, while Paul had a special commission of taking The Gospel to the Gentiles. Yet as the Book of Acts reveals, Paul preached to both Jews and Gentiles, the same Gospel to both together among the Churches in Acts. It's not about two DIFFERENT GOSPELS. It's about the ONE GOSPEL to different branches. It's about two 'stewardships' in the one Gospel.

Acts 9:15-20
15 But the Lord said unto him, "Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto Me, to bear My name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
16 For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for My name's sake."
17 And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, That appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.
18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.
19 And when he had received meat, he was strengthened. Then was Saul certain days with the disciples which were at Damascus.
20 And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that He is the Son of God.
(KJV)

Christ said He chose Paul (Saul) to preach The Gospel to Gentiles, to kings, and to the children of Israel. He then dwelt with disciples at Damascus, and then immediately went and preached The Gospel where? In the synagogues!

And per Acts 10 and 15, God's Word shows Peter was also sent to preach The Gospel to Gentiles.

The 'mystery' was that until the time of Paul's conversion, and Peter being sent to preach The Gospel to Gentiles per Acts 10, The LORD revealed The Gospel of Jesus Christ, and thus His Salvation, was also to go to the Gentiles. Up until that time, the Apostles and disciples did not know The Gospel would also go to the Gentiles as a whole. The Old Testament prophets had actually prophesied that would happen, like in the Book of Isaiah, but they didn't understand it then either (1 Pet.1:9-12; Rom.16:25-26; Ephesians). In Ephesians 2, Paul speaks of believing Gentiles no longer being strangers away from the covenants of promise and the commonwealth of Israel, as it was before Christ died on the cross, but now are made nigh by the Blood of Jesus Christ.

In ALL cases of those NT Scriptures from Acts forward, Christ's Church, His Body, together make up ALL believers regardless of nationality. It means no difference between believing Jews and Gentiles, as both now make up one body of the "commonwealth of Israel", and through Christ are in the covenants of promise given by God.

But what that newer take from Dispensationalism supposes, which is what dan p is preaching, is a separation still between believing Jews and believing Gentiles. That's why they wrongly treat Galatians 2:7-8 like two actual separate Gospels. And that's a heresy.

 

[dan p]

Hi Veteren , How do you see it , Gentiles are saved by Jewish PREACHING ???

Or , do you see Jews being saved by Gentile PREACHING ????

Which is it ????

 

[dan p]

Hmmm....well there are two covenants, and the Jews were under the first and the Gentiles not, but now with the new convenant, anyone can be under it. That's how I understand it.

I'm pretty sure only one gospel message was preached.

Hi Nick_29 , the problem with the Old Covenant , is when DID it actually WAS put aside ????

Then when does the New Covenant actually begin , the timeline is important and how Gentiles are saved under the New Covenant ????

 

[Vic C.]

[quote="Nick_29":3spwl54m]Hmmm....well there are two covenants, and the Jews were under the first and the Gentiles not, but now with the new convenant, anyone can be under it. That's how I understand it.

I'm pretty sure only one gospel message was preached.

Hi Nick_29 , the problem with the Old Covenant , is when DID it actually WAS put aside ????

Then when does the New Covenant actually begin , the timeline is important and how Gentiles are saved under the New Covenant ????[/quote:3spwl54m]
This is where a proper understanding of Daniel 9:24-27 is oh so important.

The event at The Cross changed everything!

Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

... and one Gospel. :yes

 

[Bick]

By "gospel" it is obvious you must mean the gospel that Paul preached, namely, that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures, that he was buried, raised, and is at the right hand of God the Father making intersession for us.

It is unique in that Paul declares that believers by grace and through faith in Christ are justified, reconciled and will be glorified,

Absolutely, there is only one "gospel" that was revealed to Paul from Christ; and one he referred to as "my gospel" simply to differentiate it from any other.

As for "gospel": we know it means "well message" from Greek "euaggelion", sometimes translated "good news". So, it is only logical that there are a number of "good news" messages recorded in the Bible.
Some which have been discussed in another post.

 

[cyberjosh]

Hi Dan. I DO believe in one gospel. If you would respond to my post here maybe we could discuss it further. Thanks.

 

[dan p]

Hi Dan. I DO believe in one gospel. If you would respond to my post here maybe we could discuss it further. Thanks.

Hi Josh , and I also believe in one gospel in Acts 20:24 , so where do you hang your gospel on ????

 

[cyberjosh]

Hi Dan. I DO believe in one gospel. If you would respond to my post here maybe we could discuss it further. Thanks.

Hi Josh , and I also believe in one gospel in Acts 20:24 , so where do you hang your gospel on ????

Well, I want to (and will) answer your question - and I'm not trying to be annoying (promise :D) - but it would help me if you answered the 4 questions I had for you about Paul in that post, and once I understand your stance on that I feel that I will be better equipped to discuss this with you. I don't care which thread you answer those 4 points/questions in - but I would like to see your responses. I will then explain my stance on the Gospel.

Would you mind doing that? Does that seem reasonable to you?

Thanks,

~Josh

 

[Nick]

[quote="Nick_29":3py04uhf]Hmmm....well there are two covenants, and the Jews were under the first and the Gentiles not, but now with the new convenant, anyone can be under it. That's how I understand it.

I'm pretty sure only one gospel message was preached.

Hi Nick_29 , the problem with the Old Covenant , is when DID it actually WAS put aside ????

Then when does the New Covenant actually begin , the timeline is important and how Gentiles are saved under the New Covenant ????[/quote:3py04uhf]
Well Vic really answered that question well .

But it is Jesus - His death and resurrection marks the beginning of a new convenant with God. And one gospel.
I think the key to there only being one gospel (or one of the keys) is in the lanugage/grammar itself. I don't beleive anywhere in the Bible it says "a gospel", or psosibly just "gospel", but rather it is always referred to as "the gospel". "The" always means there's either only one of them, or that there is only one which is being preached.

 

[dan p]

By "gospel" it is obvious you must mean the gospel that Paul preached, namely, that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures, that he was buried, raised, and is at the right hand of God the Father making intersession for us.

It is unique in that Paul declares that believers by grace and through faith in Christ are justified, reconciled and will be glorified,

Absolutely, there is only one "gospel" that was revealed to Paul from Christ; and one he referred to as "my gospel" simply to differentiate it from any other.

As for "gospel": we know it means "well message" from Greek "euaggelion", sometimes translated "good news". So, it is only logical that there are a number of "good news" messages recorded in the Bible.
Some which have been discussed in another post.

Hi Bick , I guess someone undersrands what I am trying to write , thanks , dan p

 

[dan p]

Hi Josh , and not offended at all and want to answer what you want , but now I am lost as to which post you are talking about, so lets start again with one question at a time ????

 

[cyberjosh]

Hi Josh , and not offended at all and want to answer what you want , but now I am lost as to which post you are talking about, so lets start again with one question at a time ????

Hi Dan, I'll put them below and seperate each question with a line:

Note: Would you like me to put each question (only 4 questions) in a seperate post or is this okay? I will repost if necessary.

-------------------------------------------------------------

#1 Are you suggesting that Jesus and Paul preached different gospels? (I think you answered yes to this)

-------------------------------------------------------------

#2 If so does this mean that Paul cursed Christ in Galatians 1:9 when he said, "As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed"? (This is my most important question)

-------------------------------------------------------------


#3 This also begs the question, which Gospel did Paul receive? He was a Jew and he most certainly was met by Jesus in person on the road to Damascus and taught the Gospel by Christ while in Arabia. So then, according to your approach, it would seem that Paul received a different Gospel (the one from Jesus given to the Jews) than the one he himself preached!

-------------------------------------------------------------

#4 Also realize that Paul was Apostle not only to the Gentiles but also the Jews (cf. "he is a chosen vessel of Mine to bear My name before Gentiles, kings, and the children of Israel" Acts 9:15), and he preached the Gospel equally, the same and only gospel (Galatians 1:9; Ephesians 2:13-18) to all, both Jew and Greek. Therefore his Gospel that was given to the Jews cannot be different from Jesus' Gospel to the Jews lest he contradict Jesus' Gospel to Israel!

-------------------------------------------------------------

I just wanted to know how you would answer these questions and points. I hope you can understand what I'm saying. Thanks!

Josh

 

[dan p]

Hi Josh , and not offended at all and want to answer what you want , but now I am lost as to which post you are talking about, so lets start again with one question at a time ????

Hi Dan, I'll put them below and seperate each question with a line:

Note: Would you like me to put each question (only 4 questions) in a seperate post or is this okay? I will repost if necessary.

-------------------------------------------------------------

#1 Are you suggesting that Jesus and Paul preached different gospels? (I think you answered yes to this)

-------------------------------------------------------------

#2 If so does this mean that Paul cursed Christ in Galatians 1:9 when he said, "As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed"? (This is my most important question)

-------------------------------------------------------------


#3 This also begs the question, which Gospel did Paul receive? He was a Jew and he most certainly was met by Jesus in person on the road to Damascus and taught the Gospel by Christ while in Arabia. So then, according to your approach, it would seem that Paul received a different Gospel (the one from Jesus given to the Jews) than the one he himself preached!

-------------------------------------------------------------

#4 Also realize that Paul was Apostle not only to the Gentiles but also the Jews (cf. "he is a chosen vessel of Mine to bear My name before Gentiles, kings, and the children of Israel" Acts 9:15), and he preached the Gospel equally, the same and only gospel (Galatians 1:9; Ephesians 2:13-18) to all, both Jew and Greek. Therefore his Gospel that was given to the Jews cannot be different from Jesus' Gospel to the Jews lest he contradict Jesus' Gospel to Israel!

-------------------------------------------------------------

I just wanted to know how you would answer these questions and points. I hope you can understand what I'm saying. Thanks!

Josh

Hi JOSH , answer to #1 , you know , YES .
#2 , Acts 21:21 we see that Paul preached anginst what Peter and Jesus taught . And YES, Paul's commission was different than what Jesus commissioned the 12 in Matt 19 , and teach the Gentiles , and where do you see Jews , TODAY , teaching the Gentiles and Baptizing them ?????

#3 , Acts 20:24 and 1 Cor 9:17 show that his message is different .

#4 , I believe that I already have a post on Gal 1:9 and will check an if not will post it .