Do You Understand the Mystery of God's Appearance?

[DiscipleDave]

This certainly DOES NOT correspond to Scripture. Indeed, the New Jerusalem descends from Heaven a long time after the Second Coming (at least 1,000 years, if not more). And it does not descend to earth but remains a heavenly body, giving light to the earth. The sequence of events between the Second Coming and the New Heavens and the New Earth is spelled out in Revelation chapters 19-22.

It's easy to say it DOES NOT correspond to Scriptures, yet you have not given one Scripture to prove it incorrect. Show me the Scripture that proves it to be incorrect, so that i may believe it. But a million people, based on their own interpretations, can say it DOES NOT correspond to Scriptures and i will not believe them, until they can show the very Scriptures they say it does not correspond to.

If you disagree that the Holy City Jerusalem comes down with Jesus at the Rapture, the 7th Trumpet, then show relevant Scriptures that proves it wrong, so that we all can believe it is wrong, else is it not just your opinion that what i said is wrong?

 

[DiscipleDave]

Scriptures plainly teach the Holy City Jerusalem will come down during a Time that is called New Heaven and New Earth. The problem is most people believe a doctrine that the New Heaven and New Earth is AFTER the 1,000 year reign of Christ on Earth, NO Scriptures supports that teaching, from where did that teaching come from then?

New Heaven and New Earth is created during the 7 year Tribulation Period. What do you think. God of the Universe is going to reign on this Earth for a thousand years as it is NOW ? Or will He reign over this Earth for a Thousand Years, when the Earth is like a Garden of Eden? lol. As if God would want to reign over an Earth polluted by humans. During the 7 year Tribulation Period there will not remain one road that is whole.

For a thousand Years Jesus and us Saints will reign over a New Earth a New Atmosphere, where many of the 144,000 humans will live to be a thousand years old, All this is done on a Earth that God reigns over, and it will most certainly be like that Garden of Eden.

 

[DiscipleDave]

This certainly DOES NOT correspond to Scripture. Indeed, the New Jerusalem descends from Heaven a long time after the Second Coming (at least 1,000 years, if not more). And it does not descend to earth but remains a heavenly body, giving light to the earth. The sequence of events between the Second Coming and the New Heavens and the New Earth is spelled out in Revelation chapters 19-22.

Who told you the Holy City gives light to the Earth? The Holy City only gives light to those who live INSIDE it. Do you not believe Scriptures?

Gen_8:22 While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and DAY and NIGHT shall not cease.

Ecc_1:4 One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.

The Holy City does not give light to the Earth, the Sun will do that forever, which gives the Earth its Days. Those who live in the Holy City Jerusalem will have no need of Night, because they are not HUMAN, they are Saints, like the Angels of God, and do not require sleep like humans do. Jesus is the light of it. INSIDE of the Holy City.

 

[Nathan12]

Who told you the Holy City gives light to the Earth? The Holy City only gives light to those who live INSIDE it. Do you not believe Scriptures?

I said that the Holy City gives light to the earth as a heavenly body because I do believe the Scriptures. Now please note:
And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

1. The nations which are saved will remain on earth.
2. The sun, moon, and stars will all be absent.
3. God and the Lamb are the Light of that city.
4. The nations on earth walk in the light of that city.

Just as the sun presently provides light to the earth, the New Jerusalem will be the source of Light for eternity (after the New Heavens and the New Earth have been established).

 

[for_his_glory]

When the Lord Jesus Returns to the Earth, during the 7th Trumpet sounding, He is bringing with Him the HOLY CITY JERUSALEM. This City will indeed be so Tall that it is above the clouds. The 7 seals and the 6 Trumpets create a New Earth and a New Heaven (Atmosphere)

I can not agree with this as in order for the New Jerusalem to be ushered down from heaven by God this present heaven and present earth has to pass away in order for the heaven and earth to be made new again. All abominations unto God will be judged and cast into the lake of fire prepared for Satan, the beast and its false prophet and all those who have followed after the beast and have taken its mark rejecting Christ as their Lord and Savior.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

 

[for_his_glory]

Scriptures plainly teach the Holy City Jerusalem will come down during a Time that is called New Heaven and New Earth. The problem is most people believe a doctrine that the New Heaven and New Earth is AFTER the 1,000 year reign of Christ on Earth, NO Scriptures supports that teaching, from where did that teaching come from then?

New Heaven and New Earth is created during the 7 year Tribulation Period. What do you think. God of the Universe is going to reign on this Earth for a thousand years as it is NOW ? Or will He reign over this Earth for a Thousand Years, when the Earth is like a Garden of Eden? lol. As if God would want to reign over an Earth polluted by humans. During the 7 year Tribulation Period there will not remain one road that is whole.

For a thousand Years Jesus and us Saints will reign over a New Earth a New Atmosphere, where many of the 144,000 humans will live to be a thousand years old, All this is done on a Earth that God reigns over, and it will most certainly be like that Garden of Eden.

When Christ returns in the air with His army we are then caught up to meet Him in the air and so shall we ever be with the Lord as He has made us unto our God kings and priests and we shall reign on the earth as we rule with Him over the nations as His enemies have become His footstool, Rev 19:11-21; Matthew 24:29-31; 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18; Rev 5:10; Psalms 110:1-4; Hebrews 10:12, 13.

Matthew 24:29-31; Rev 19:11-21 Jesus descends down from heaven with His army of the host of heaven as He sends His angels out to the four corners of the earth to gather His own to Him. He will destroy the beast and false prophet casting them into the lake of fire, Rev 19:15, 16. The remnant in Rev 19:21 are the kings (Rulers of every nation) on the earth and their armies that followed after the beast and his false prophet that go out to the battle of Armageddon as this army is sent out to kill Christ when they see Him and the saints with Him return and plants His feet on the mount of Olives, Zechariah 14:1-4.

The remnant, like the beast and false prophet, will be slain by the very words Jesus speaks of their demise and at that time Satan will be chained and bound so he can not interfere with those ungodly that are still alive on earth that become the footstool of Christ. Then the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord and of his Christ and He shall reign for ever and ever and the saints will then begin to rule over the nations here on earth, Rev 11:15; 5:10; 20:1-3; Matthew 5:5.

Rev 20:7-10 Those that have rejected Christ that still remain on earth after the beast, false prophet and all the kings/rulers from every nation are destroyed are those who are the numbering as the sand of the sea. These are the enemy of God that Satan uses to battle against the saints that are camped upon the breadth of the earth. Psalms 2:7-10; 110; Ezekiel 36; 37; Rev 20:7-9 the saints are camped not only in Jerusalem the beloved city of God, but also throughout the breadth of the earth. It's only the 144,000 generational Jews that believe in Christ that have returned to Jerusalem. After the 1000 years are fulfilled Satan is set loosed for a season and goes out to deceive the nations as he gathers the enemies of Christ to battle against the saints as the numbering of unbelievers is like the sand of the sea. As the enemy surrounds the camp of the saints God sends fire down from heaven and destroys the enemy and Satan is cast onto the lake of fire.

John 5:28, 29; Rev 20:11-15, now comes the Great White throne judgment as the books are opened with one of them being the Lamb's book of life where all the saints of God have their names written as they have part of the first resurrection of eternal life on such the second death hath no power, Rev 20:6; 1 Corinthians 15:54-57. The other book is opened being the book of damnation where the enemies of God that were killed while trying to destroy the camp of the saints are now condemned and cast into the lake of fire. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. While the saints on on the earth it will be made new again and the New Jerusalem is ushered down from heaven.

 

[DiscipleDave]

As far as the gathering, yes, this takes place, but some folks timing is off.
I believe it to be at the last trump, the 7th.
After the tribulation.
.. .. .. . . .

The last Trumpet sounding is not the end of the Tribulation Period. After the 7th Trumpet sounds, the Temple in Heaven is opened, and out of that Temple comes 7 Angels ready to pour out the last 7 vials, which is still a part of the tribulation Period. So the Tribulation Period does not end with the 7th Trumpet blowing if there are still 7 vials to be poured out AFTER the 7th Trumpet is blown.

 

[JohnDB]

The last Trumpet sounding is not the end of the Tribulation Period. After the 7th Trumpet sounds, the Temple in Heaven is opened, and out of that Temple comes 7 Angels ready to pour out the last 7 vials, which is still a part of the tribulation Period. So the Tribulation Period does not end with the 7th Trumpet blowing if there are still 7 vials to be poured out AFTER the 7th Trumpet is blown.

This thread is 12 months old...a whole year ago. And you resurrect it because?......

 

[dianegcook]

The last Trumpet sounding is not the end of the Tribulation Period. After the 7th Trumpet sounds, the Temple in Heaven is opened, and out of that Temple comes 7 Angels ready to pour out the last 7 vials, which is still a part of the tribulation Period. So the Tribulation Period does not end with the 7th Trumpet blowing if there are still 7 vials to be poured out AFTER the 7th Trumpet is blown.

I was referring to the "gathering", rapture...
Matt.24:29-31
Immediately AFTER the Tribulation...
Gather His Elect.....
Mark 13:24-27
AFTER that Tribulation...
Shall gather His Elect, from the uttermost part of the earth, to the uttermost part of Heaven.....

Again, the vials are the wrath being poured...correct?

Rev.6:17
For the great day of His wrath is come.....
This is one of the last seals.....a vial being poured...

Rev.11:15-19
The last trump
The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of Our Lord and His Christ...
Thy wrath is come, ...vial being poured...

The tribulation is the reign of the so called Antichrist.
This will end when Christ comes and destroys it with the vials...

Again,
The seals are the knowledge of the trumps and vials, that are sealed in one's forehead, mind..so one will recognize which trump is being sounded, so that we will wait on the True Christ, so one will not be deceived by the False One.

The trumpets are the action of the seals...

The vials are being poured out on your action of the trumps.
If you were deceived or not and take Satan's Mark.

There are
7 seals
7 trumps
7 vials
Each one connected to each other...

666
6th seal, 6th trump, 6th vial = Satan
777
7th seal, 7th trump, 7th vial= Christ

Wait and watch for the 777....

 

[dianegcook]

This thread is 12 months old...a whole year ago. And you resurrect it because?......

Lol
That's ok.
I just had to re-read the whole thread.