Army of Angels Return with Christ

[RandyK]

When I read clean and I can only think they were soiled at one time . IMO I think it is impossible for and angel's clothing to get soiled in our earthly realm . If the armies were angels we would need no description of them as clean .

Exactly , this is why I believe the armies are the saints and not angels .

For the most part we agree. It's just that the Scriptures do show angelic armies following God. And they do show angels dressed in white. I had hoped to show that in my post.

Matt 28.2 There was a violent earthquake, for an angel of the Lord came down from heaven and, going to the tomb, rolled back the stone and sat on it. 3 His appearance was like lightning, and his clothes were white as snow.
Jude 1.14 Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones."

It may be debatable who these "holy ones" are, whether angels or redeemed saints. But what is not debatable is the fact God surrounds Himself and His throne with a multitude of angels, which we may call "holy ones."

Rev 5.11 Then I looked and heard the voice of many angels, numbering thousands upon thousands, and ten thousand times ten thousand. They encircled the throne and the living creatures and the elders. 12 in a loud voice they were saying:
“Worthy is the Lamb, who was slain,
to receive power and wealth and wisdom and strength
and honor and glory and praise!”

Deut 33.2 and Zech 14.5 indicate that the Law came by angels and that God will complete His program of redemption for Israel with angels. Some, however, see this myriad as "saints," as well.

Deut 33.1 This is the blessing that Moses the man of God pronounced on the Israelites before his death. 2 He said:
“The Lord came from Sinai
and dawned over them from Seir;
he shone forth from Mount Paran.
He came with myriads of holy ones
from the south, from his mountain slopes.

Zech 14.5 You will flee by my mountain valley, for it will extend to Azel. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the Lord my God will come, and all the holy ones with him.

The Law was said to have been dispensed by angels. So, the myriads of angels accompanying God's coming to Sinai may reflect that...

Gal 3.19 Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was given through angels and entrusted to a mediator.

Angels, since Eden, have guarded sin-contaminated men from entering fully into the presence of God. And as long as the Law remained in place, and Christian redemption remained unfulfilled, angels ensured that God's grace displayed to Israel would be limited and would not yet allow them to overcome death.

Heb 12.12 But you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly,

To be clear, we agree that saints are portrayed in white clothes accompanying Christ in his Return. And their clothes are viewed as "cleansed" via Christ's redemption.

The role angels play in this is something that has to be studied out. As the book of Hebrews points out, angels are not the focus, but rather, Christ and his redemption of Man. But angels do play a role, and we should recognize that, I should think?

 

[for_his_glory]

One thing for you to think about . How would an angel's garment get dirty and the angel's garment would need to be described as "clean " ?

14And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

The angels will be wearing a supernaturally manifested garment as all angels clothing would be I think and there would be NO reason to describe it as clean or dirty . The dirt of this world would not apply to the angels and their garments of the heavenly realm .

Once again, it is not real cloth material clothing, but only being made pure and having the righteousness of God upon us as this corruptible will have put on incorruptible and this mortal will be changed to being immortal before we are caught up to meet Jesus in the air, 1Corinthians 15:50-58. As for the angels they are spirit form as a spirit does not have flesh and blood. The angels in Rev 19:14 that come with Jesus being an angelic army from heaven are angels who are pure and righteous before God.

 

[hawkman]

Fine linen, white and clean means we are clothed in God's righteousness, not actual clothes, as such are the host of heaven that are God's army of angels being pure and spotless. This only happens when Christ returns and we are then changed, 1Corinthians 15:50-58.

It may be debatable who these "holy ones" are, whether angels or redeemed saints. But what is not debatable is the fact God surrounds Himself and His throne with a multitude of angels, which we may call "holy ones."

I had a thought of something I had not considered when the verse said " armies in heaven " the armies could be a combination of angels and the saints !
Something to think about , at least for me .

14And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

15To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

 

[RandyK]

Once again, it is not real cloth material clothing, but only being made pure and having the righteousness of God upon us as this corruptible will have put on incorruptible and this mortal will be changed to being immortal before we are caught up to meet Jesus in the air, 1Corinthians 15:50-58. As for the angels they are spirit form as a spirit does not have flesh and blood. The angels in Rev 19:14 that come with Jesus being an angelic army from heaven are angels who are pure and righteous before God.

Though I agree with what you say, I hope you'll permit me to speculate on some of this, looking at it a little differently?

I think Christians will be changed *at* the Rapture to Heaven, and not "before." This is a technicality, but I say it because I think the whole idea of our *going to Heaven* is for the purpose of transitioning to the glory that Christ has at the moment he is to descend from Heaven.

So the "Rapture" is instantaneous, but is viewed, technically, as *going to Heaven* for the express purpose of joining Christ's glory in his descent. Therefore, I don't think I can say that we are changed *before* we meet Christ in the air.

Also, in describing the angels in "spirit-form" I prefer "spirit-bodies," because I believe unlike deceased spirits who now live bodiless in just their spirits we will be "resurrected," and receive new physical bodies, though different than what we have now.

In other words, "spirit-bodies" are not the opposite of *physical bodies.* We will have physical bodies with spiritual capacities.

I think Jesus was recognized after his resurrection because he had not yet received his glorified body. He was healed in his old body, and did not want to be detained by Mary until he had ascended into heaven to receive his new body.

And so, we must rise to Heaven to obtain our new physical bodies as well. But they are called "spirit-bodies" only because they will be perfectly aligned with spiritual capacities, allowing us to live in perfect alignment with the word of God.

This is purely for the purpose of speculation, because we are not given explicit theology that majors on these points. Thanks for bearing with me!

 

[for_his_glory]

Though I agree with what you say, I hope you'll permit me to speculate on some of this, looking at it a little differently?

I think Christians will be changed *at* the Rapture to Heaven, and not "before." This is a technicality, but I say it because I think the whole idea of our *going to Heaven* is for the purpose of transitioning to the glory that Christ has at the moment he is to descend from Heaven.

So the "Rapture" is instantaneous, but is viewed, technically, as *going to Heaven* for the express purpose of joining Christ's glory in his descent. Therefore, I don't think I can say that we are changed *before* we meet Christ in the air.

Also, in describing the angels in "spirit-form" I prefer "spirit-bodies," because I believe unlike deceased spirits who now live bodiless in just their spirits we will be "resurrected," and receive new physical bodies, though different than what we have now.

In other words, "spirit-bodies" are not the opposite of *physical bodies.* We will have physical bodies with spiritual capacities.

I think Jesus was recognized after his resurrection because he had not yet received his glorified body. He was healed in his old body, and did not want to be detained by Mary until he had ascended into heaven to receive his new body.

And so, we must rise to Heaven to obtain our new physical bodies as well. But they are called "spirit-bodies" only because they will be perfectly aligned with spiritual capacities, allowing us to live in perfect alignment with the word of God.

This is purely for the purpose of speculation, because we are not given explicit theology that majors on these points. Thanks for bearing with me!

If one is only speculating then they have no truth, but are only understanding with a carnal mind that makes logic to their understanding. The scriptures have already told us about where we are caught up to and what we will look like and no one has ever gone up to heaven where God sits on His throne, John 3:13; 1Corinthians 15:50-58; 1Thessalonians 4:13-18.

Angels have no gender (Matthew 22:30) and are innumerable (Hebrews 12:22). They are incarnate in human form at times (Genesis 18:2-8) for the purpose of God's ministry.

 

[for_his_glory]

I had a thought of something I had not considered when the verse said " armies in heaven " the armies could be a combination of angels and the saints !
Something to think about , at least for me .

14And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

15To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

Where does this leave what was written in 1Thessalonians 4:16-17 compared to Rev 19:14, especially in what is written in John 3:13.

Jesus does return with ten thousand (figurative numbering) of His saints after we are caught up to Him to meet Him in the air.

Christ returns on the last day at the seventh trumpet and on that day His Bride being the collective body of believers through faith in Christ and sealed by the Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption will be caught up to Him. Both asleep in their grave and those who are alive at His coming will then be kept safe on that day while Christ fights the final battle casting the beast and false prophet into the lake of fire and slaying all those nations (people) who come out to fight against Him.
(John 5:25-30; 6:40; Ephesians 1:3-14;1 Corinthians 15:51-57; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; Rev 19; Zechariah 14:1-6; Luke 21:20-22)

 

[hawkman]

Where does this leave what was written in 1Thessalonians 4:16-17 compared to Rev 19:14, especially in what is written in John 3:13.

There is a difference between ascend and taken . Ascend is your movement by your own power , taken is your movement by someone or something else's power .

You can ascend the stairs through your own power or you can be taken by an elevator . God can take you to heaven , but you can not ascend on your own power .

And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:

24And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

And it came to pass, when the LORD would take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind, that Elijah went with Elisha from Gilgal.

And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

 

[for_his_glory]

There is a difference between ascend and taken . Ascend is your movement by your own power , taken is your movement by someone or something else's power .

You can ascend the stairs through your own power or you can be taken by an elevator . God can take you to heaven , but you can not ascend on your own power .

And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:

24And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

And it came to pass, when the LORD would take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind, that Elijah went with Elisha from Gilgal.

And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

Once again, John 3:13 Jesus says that no one has ever ascended up to heaven. Not even Enoch nor Elijah.

Enoch, Moses, Abraham and Elijah were not taken up to the third Heaven as some teach as when they were seen (not Enoch or Abraham) of Peter, James and John in Matthew 17:1-9 it was only a transfiguration like a vision that they saw Jesus transfigured as was Moses and Elijah. There is no one in the third heaven except God, Jesus and the angels, John 3:13. Everyone that has ever died is asleep in their grave and when Christ returns they will hear His voice as He calls all of them to come forth, they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation, John 5:28, 29. It is only our spirit/breath/soul that goes back to God who gave it, Genesis 2:7; Ecc 12:7.

Gen 5:24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

Does not say Enoch was taken up to heaven, but that he was only translated that he should not see death at that particular time being he was 365 years old. Should not see death means since Enoch walked with God he would not see the second death, Rev 20:6, but only that of the first death, Hebrews 9:27, as all his days were three hundred and sixty as he died, but no one knows where.

Genesis 49: 30 In the cave that is in the field of Machpelah, which is before Mamre, in the land of Canaan, which Abraham bought with the field of Ephron the Hittite for a possession of a burying place. 31There they buried Abraham and Sarah his wife; there they buried Isaac and Rebekah his wife; and there I buried Leah.

Deuteronomy 34:5 So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD. 6 and he buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Beth-peor: but no man knoweth of his sepulcher unto this day.

2 Kings 2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. (Heaven here means atmosphere, first heaven)

Elijah, having ascended into the air by a whirlwind was carried away out of sight beyond the horizon. Several years after he was taken away King Jehoram received a letter from him. How long after? There are some difficulties in figuring the exact chronology as it varies from 2 to 10 years or more. A note in Josephus (a Jewish historian of the first century A.D.) says 4 years, while the JEWISH ENCYCLOPEDIA figures it at 7 years.

Regardless of the exact number of years there came writing to Jehoram from Elijah the prophet, saying..." (2Chron 21:12). Now the wickedness of Jehoram, for which he was being rebuked in the letter, took place after Elijah was taken away, yet the letter speaks of these things as past events, and the punishment to come upon him as yet future. So the idea of some, that Elijah wrote the letter before he was removed by the whirlwind, is proved wrong.

Elijah was taken up by the whirlwind into the first heaven and transported to another location on Earth. God did not see fit in His purpose to reveal his whereabouts. Chariot of fire is used at times figuratively for host (angels) like in 2 Kings 2:11, 12: 6:17; Psalms 68:17; 104:1-4. Elijah, by his prayers and his counsel was the "chariot of Israel and the horseman thereof", meaning Elijah was the stronghold of Israel, the driving force of God. The Israelites never used chariots till the time of David.

When you compare 2 Kings 2:11-15 with 2 Kings 6:17 you see that God sent the host/angels down to Elijah who caught him up in a whirlwind and translated him to parts unknown. Several years after he was taken away King Jehoram received a letter from him.

 

[hawkman]

Elijah was taken up by the whirlwind into the first heaven and transported to another location on Earth.

The location will need a name , let me know when you have it , I will wait .

Chariot of fire is used at times figuratively for host (angels) like in 2 Kings 2:11, 12: 6:17; Psalms 68:17; 104:1-4. Elijah, by his prayers and his counsel was the "chariot of Israel and the horseman thereof", meaning Elijah was the stronghold of Israel, the driving force of God. The Israelites never used chariots till the time of David.

So you doubt what Elisha saw happen , that is sad . Do you doubt the whirlwind also ?

Regardless of the exact number of years there came writing to Jehoram from Elijah the prophet, saying..." (2Chron 21:12). Now the wickedness of Jehoram, for which he was being rebuked in the letter, took place after Elijah was taken away, yet the letter speaks of these things as past events, and the punishment to come upon him as yet future. So the idea of some, that Elijah wrote the letter before he was removed by the whirlwind, is proved wrong.

One more time . Elijah is a prophet of God , God gave Elijah every word for the letter before Elijah was TAKEN ( not ascended ) to heaven and Elisha delivered the letter at a time appointed by God or Elijah . God knows the future or do you disagree ?

Once again, John 3:13 Jesus says that no one has ever ascended up to heaven. Not even Enoch nor Elijah.

You need to read John Chapter 3 and understand who Jesus is talking to and what he is telling them . No one has ascended to heaven and come back down .
Proof texting is not a good idea .

 

[Tim Broom]

I think hawkman is right that the "armies in Heaven" from Revelation 19 most likely include a combination of saints and angels. I mean, the chapter says these people are celebrating the marriage supper of the lamb, it calls them saints, it says they are clothed in clean linen, etc. That's something that happens after the return of Jesus for his saints, commonly called the rapture, which Jesus himself said would happen with the sound of a trumpet immediately after the great tribulation.

Paul says Jesus returns at the last trumpet, where all his saints are caught up to him in the twinkling of an eye. The common sense reading of this verse, in the context of other verses, is that this heavenly host is the raptured saints celebrating the marriage supper of the lamb up in the "New Jerusalem come down from Heaven" which is hovering over the land, while the vials of wrath are being poured out on a spiritually desolate world below (there are some calculations from Daniel which suggest this will be a 45 day period).

The last vial of wrath is the battle of Armageddon where both the chapter on the vials of wrath and chapter 19 both describe the same event; this army in heaven, immediately after finishing the marriage supper of the lamb, rides down with Jesus to the battle of Armageddon, where they are victorious.

 

[for_his_glory]

The location will need a name , let me know when you have it , I will wait .

So you doubt what Elisha saw happen , that is sad . Do you doubt the whirlwind also ?

One more time . Elijah is a prophet of God , God gave Elijah every word for the letter before Elijah was TAKEN ( not ascended ) to heaven and Elisha delivered the letter at a time appointed by God or Elijah . God knows the future or do you disagree ?

You need to read John Chapter 3 and understand who Jesus is talking to and what he is telling them . No one has ascended to heaven and come back down .
Proof texting is not a good idea .

I use to believe all those teachings about Elijah taken up to the third heaven until I started studying deeper into this.

God did not see fit to tell us in scripture where Elijah was transferred to. It's like that of God transferring Philip to another location, Acts 8:39-40.

Around 853BC Elijah was caught up in the whirlwind and seen no more as he and Elisha went to visit the prophets leaving Gilgal and going to Bethel and Jericho. The letter sent by Elijah to Jehoram was delivered by Elisha around 849BC after Elijah was taken up in the whirlwind and transferred to another location here on earth when he wrote that letter to King Jehoram. This shows that Elijah was not taken up to the third heaven, but only the first heaven being the atmosphere, 2Chronicles 21:12-15. Jehoram reigned from 849BC - 842BC.

I do not doubt that Elisha saw Elijah taken up in a whirlwind as that is recorded in 2Kings 2:1-8.

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

When Jesus said that no one has ever ascended up to the third heaven, you added to scripture saying that Jesus said "and come back down".

 

[hawkman]

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

When Jesus said that no one has ever ascended up to the third heaven, you added to scripture saying that Jesus said "and come back down".

Speaking of studying deeper , Jesus is speaking to Nicodemus and explaining how that He being Jesus who came down from heaven knows of heavenly things and no one else has both ascended and come back down to tell of heavenly things .

Does John 3:13 mean that no one went to heaven before Jesus?

From the link .

Jesus was not teaching that no one had ever gone to heaven before. Obviously, the Old Testament saints had gone to heaven (or paradise) when they died (Mark 12:26-27), and Enoch and Elijah had been taken there without dying (Genesis 5:24; Hebrews 11:5; 2 Kings 2:11). Rather, He was teaching that, of all rabbis, He had the best credentials. Jesus has direct contact with heaven; He is an expert on the subject.

 

[for_his_glory]

Speaking of studying deeper , Jesus is speaking to Nicodemus and explaining how that He being Jesus who came down from heaven knows of heavenly things and no one else has both ascended and come back down to tell of heavenly things .

Does John 3:13 mean that no one went to heaven before Jesus?

From the link .

Jesus was not teaching that no one had ever gone to heaven before. Obviously, the Old Testament saints had gone to heaven (or paradise) when they died (Mark 12:26-27), and Enoch and Elijah had been taken there without dying (Genesis 5:24; Hebrews 11:5; 2 Kings 2:11). Rather, He was teaching that, of all rabbis, He had the best credentials. Jesus has direct contact with heaven; He is an expert on the subject.

Scripture states in John 3:13 that no one has ever ascended up to heaven other than Jesus. The only thing that goes back to God when we die is the very breath He breathed in us.

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Ecc 12:7 then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

You do realize there are three heavens don't you?

There are three heavens:
First heaven - The firmament, Earths Atmosphere -which is the immediate sky, where the “fowls of the heaven” (Genesis 2:19; 7:3,23; Psalms 8:8, etc.), “the eagles of heaven” (Lamentations 4:19), it is our atmosphere that surrounds the earth.

Second Heaven - Outer Space, the starry heavens (Deuteronomy 17:3; Jeremiah 8:2; Matthew 24:29).
The second heaven is the starry heavens, where our atmosphere ends. It is the heavens in which the sun, moon, and stars are fixed in orbit.

Third Heaven - This is where God, Jesus and the holy angels dwell plus the very breath of just men dwell as when we die it is that breath that returns back to God. It is called “The heaven of heavens,” (Deuteronomy 10:14; 1 Kings 8:27; Psalms 115:16; 148:4). (1Kings 8:27) - “The heavens, even the highest heaven, cannot contain you. The third heaven is beyond the space and stars. Where no man has seen by telescope. This heaven is the dwelling-place of God (John 3:13).

 

[hawkman]

Scripture states in John 3:13 that no one has ever ascended up to heaven other than Jesus.

When Jesus was talking to Nicodemus in John 3:13 Jesus did not state He , Jesus had ascended to heaven . He is telling Nicodemus that HE , Jesus came from heaven . for_his_glory this is a conversation between Nicodemus and Jesus , don't loose sight of that fact .

Does this make it any clearer ?
New Living Translation
No one has ever gone to heaven and returned. But the Son of Man has come down from heaven.

 

[for_his_glory]

When Jesus was talking to Nicodemus in John 3:13 Jesus did not state He , Jesus had ascended to heaven . He is telling Nicodemus that HE , Jesus came from heaven . for_his_glory this is a conversation between Nicodemus and Jesus , don't loose sight of that fact .

Does this make it any clearer ?
New Living Translation
No one has ever gone to heaven and returned. But the Son of Man has come down from heaven.

I realize this was a conversation between Nicodemus and Jesus, but it does not change the fact with other scriptures I gave you that anyone has ever ascended up to heaven. Plus I am not talking about anyone returning from heaven other than Jesus, but only ascending up to heaven.

 

[hawkman]

Plus I am not talking about anyone returning from heaven other than Jesus, but only ascending up to heaven.

Jesus is not returning from heaven in John 3:13 . He tells Nicodemus that He , Jesus came from heaven with heavenly knowledge . Jesus tells Nicodemus no one has ascended to heaven and came back to earth with heavenly knowledge , but the Son of Man has come down from heaven with heavenly knowledge .

9Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?

10Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?

11Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.

12If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

13And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

New Living Translation
No one has ever gone to heaven and returned. But the Son of Man has come down from heaven.

No reply necessary to my post .

 

[Oseas]

Paul says Jesus returns at the last trumpet, where all his saints are caught up to him in the twinkling of an eye. The common sense reading of this verse, in the context of other verses, is that this heavenly host is the raptured saints celebrating the marriage supper of the lamb up in the "New Jerusalem come down from Heaven" which is hovering over the land, while the vials of wrath are being poured out on a spiritually desolate world below (there are some calculations from Daniel which suggest this will be a 45 day period).

Yes, brother Tim Broom, "Paul says Jesus returns at the last trumpet" (1Corinthians 15:52 combined with 1Thessalonians 4:16 and Daniel 12:1-3, among many other biblical references.

===============The glory which shall be revealed-->IN US - SONS OF GOD=============
Romans 8:18-21:
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of GOD.-->John 1:12.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same IN HOPE,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of GOD.

Philippians 3:20-21:
20 For our conversation is in heaven(heaven?Ephesians 1:3-8, take a look); from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
21 Who shall CHANGE our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto His glorious body, according to the working whereby He is able even to subdue all things unto himself.-->Matthew 28:18

NOTE: The work above to be make by our Lord JESUS from now on, it is not a magic, but a process, understand? This present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed IN US us from now on, "for unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance"->Matthew 25:29 combined with 1 Corinthians 15:51-55:

51 ... We shall not all sleep, but WE shall all be CHANGED,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye->(within the last 7 years-Daniel 12:10-12), at the last trump (1Thessalonian 4:16 combined with Revelation 11:15-18): for the Trumpet shall sound (the Power of own Scriptures-the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, the Old and New Testaments-Revelation 11:3), and the dead shall be raised incorruptible (Isaiah 26:19-21,take a look, please), and WE shall be CHANGED.

53 For this corruptible MUST PUT on incorruption, and this MORTAL MUST PUT on immortality.-->Luke 20:35-36, take a look, combined with 1Thessalonians 4:15-17,
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. -Halellujah!-

55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

Matthew 28:18-JESUS said: All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. And more: Whosoever liveth and believeth in me as the Scripture hath said, shall NEVER die. Believest thou this?
John 5:39-40: -> 39 Search the Scriptures; for in them ye think ye have ETERNAL life: and they are they which testify of me.
40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

1Thessalonians 4:14-17:-> 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.-> (The Word is GOD, GOD Himself, self-executing, understand?)

15 For this we say unto you by the Word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord with the trump of GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds(in the environment of the 3rd heaven -2Corinthians 12:1-4, take a look - which will be established from now on-Luke 20:35-36), to meet the Lord in the AIR(in the NEW HEAVEN, higher than the current heaven (according to the Luke 20:35-36 combined with 1Corinthians 15:24-27 and Revelation 11:15-18, take a look) within of the which we are living for now-Ephesians 1:3-8, take a look): and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Job 22:21-30
21 Acquaint now thyself with Him, and be at peace: thereby good shall come unto thee.
22 Receive, I pray thee, the law from his mouth(Matthew 4:4), and lay up His words in thine heart.

23 If thou return to the Almighty, thou shalt be built up, thou shalt put away iniquity far from thy tabernacles.
24 Then shalt thou lay up gold as dust, and the gold of Ophir(Genesis 2:11and 10 combined with 1Kings 18:40-46) as the stones of the brooks.
25 Yea, the Almighty shall be thy defence, and thou shalt have plenty of silver.
26 For then shalt thou have thy delight in the Almighty, and shalt lift up thy face unto GOD.

27 Thou shalt make thy prayer unto Him, and he shall hear thee, and thou shalt pay thy vows.
28Thou shalt also decree a thing, and it shall be established unto thee: and the light shall shine upon thy ways.-> Matthew 25:6-7.
29 When men are cast down, then thou shalt say, There is lifting up; and he shall save the humble person.

30 He shall deliver the island of the innocent("shall deliver one who is not innocent"Torah): and it is delivered by the pureness of thine hands("and he will be delivered because of the purity of your hands."Torah)

May our Lord GOD BLESS us and keep us, and give us His protection
Amen

 

[for_his_glory]

Jesus is not returning from heaven in John 3:13 . He tells Nicodemus that He , Jesus came from heaven with heavenly knowledge . Jesus tells Nicodemus no one has ascended to heaven and came back to earth with heavenly knowledge , but the Son of Man has come down from heaven with heavenly knowledge .

9Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?

10Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?

11Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.

12If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

13And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

New Living Translation
No one has ever gone to heaven and returned. But the Son of Man has come down from heaven.

No reply necessary to my post .

Will just say that we see it differently, but it's all good between us