Doctrine of reincarnation is satanic doctrine

[PetriFB]

This doctrine of reincarnation is in the background almost in all teaching of the New age movement and it is also the basic belief of the Oriental religions, in other words of Hinduism and Buddhism.

But doctrine of reincarnation is satanic doctrine:

http://koti.phnet.fi/elohim/Reincarnation

 

[AHIMSA]

Yes.yes.yes. The essence of any non-Christian religion is from satan. We all get it. Let us all take this wonderful advice and nurture deep seated Christian-Ego-Centricity.

 

[Soma-Sight]

Three Views Of Reincarnation

Perhaps that heavy nineteenth century prose should be restated, though I did want to give you the Cardinal's exact words so you would know I was not putting a forced interpretation on them. What the Cardinal indicates is this: there are three possible beliefs about reincarnation: (1) that there is an immortal soul which goes from birth to birth until it attains salvation, which ends the rebirth process, (2) that the immortal soul is reborn eternally with no ending of rebirth, and (3) that there is no immortal soul, but only a kind of force or energy which keeps creating a chain of rebirths. In A Manual of Modern Scholastic Philosophy, Cardinal Mercier again enumerates the three views on reincarnation and this time states that the first view "cannot be shown either to be impossible or even to be false" (I, 326).

A Public Teaching?

But what about reincarnation as a public teaching? Being a persecuted religion for three centuries, the Church barely salvaged the Holy Scriptures from the ravages of her persecutors. Many books referred to by early writers as being widely used by the Church have vanished. Even the book of Enoch, quoted by Saint Jude in his epistle (v. 14), is no more; nor is the book of Jasher, mentioned in Joshua (10:13) and Second Samuel (1:18).

A Jewish Belief

Reincarnation is commonly represented in the West as being an exclusively Hindu or Buddhist belief, but it is not. Reincarnation is a tenet of orthodox Judaism, wherein it is called gilgul or ha'atakah, and was so at the time of Christ, and automatically passed over into Christian theology.

Philo Judaeus

The Jewish philosopher, Philo Judaeus, whose lifespan included that of Christ, wrote in detail about reincarnation as a normal belief, but a brief quote should suffice: "The air is full of souls; those who are nearest to earth descending to be tied to mortal bodies return to other bodies, desiring to live in them."3 These words, which speak of souls returning to many earthly births from their desire to do so, are reminiscent of Solomon's words about his own ancient, cosmic past: "The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old....from the beginning, or ever the earth was....Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him; rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men."4

Josephus

The Jewish historian Flavius Josephus, nearly a contemporary of Christ, recorded that both the Essenes and the Pharisees believed in rebirth (not in the resurrection of the physical body as is presently thought). The Pharisees, he tells us, "say that all the souls are incorruptible, but the souls of good men only, are removed into other bodies, but the souls of bad men are subject to punishments lasting for ages." That is, the good quickly reincarnate to work out their destined return to God, whereas the wicked undergo great sufferings in the other world, only getting the chance to return to the earth for further spiritual hope after the lapse of ages. He himself in a speech to some Jewish soldiers, said: "Do ye not remember that all pure spirits when they depart out of this life obtain a most holy place in heaven, from whence in the revolution of ages, they are again sent into pure bodies?"5 Note that he says: "Do ye not remember?" indicating that they had been taught reincarnation previously.

Solomon And Job Speak

The above words of Josephus regarding the righteous spirits being sent into pure bodies after periods in heaven are an echo of further words of Solomon: "For I was a witty [wise] child, and had a good spirit. Yea rather, being good, I came into a body undefiled."6

And Job had said: "Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither."7 Later on, Job expressed his conviction that he would be reborn on earth to behold the days of the Messiah. "For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: and though after my skin, worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God: Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another."8> Although these words are commonly interpreted as referring to the end of the world and the resurrection of the physical body, an examination of the context of these words will show otherwise.

Rabbi Simeon ben Jochai

Rabbi Simeon ben Jochai, a contemporary of the Apostles, wrote: "All souls are subject to the trials of transmigrations; and men do not know the designs of the Most High with regard to them;...They do not know how many transformations and mysterious trials they must undergo; how many souls and spirits come to this world without returning to the palace of the divine king." These words, especially the reference about reincarnating souls not returning to "the palace of the divine king" are echoed in the Revelation of Saint John wherein the Lord Jesus says: "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out."9 But Rabbi Simeon continues: "The souls must reenter the absolute substance whence they have emerged. But to accomplish this end they must develop all the perfections, the germ of which is planted in them; and if they have not fulfilled this condition during one life, they must commence another, a third, and so forth, until they have acquired the condition which fits them for reunion with God."10 Once again, these words regarding a series of successive births for the purpose of attaining spiritual perfection are not just his own, but tie in with the inspired words of the book of Job: ""Lo, all these things worketh God oftentimes with man, to bring back his soul from the pit, to be enlightened with the light of the living."11

"Fathers" And "Sons"

Also in keeping with the above are the symbolic words spoken by God Himself-words which, when misunderstood, have caused many to call them unjust: "The Lord is longsuffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression, and by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation."12

In the most basic meaning, a "father" is a physical body which engenders other bodies. Thus, according to the mystical interpretation, "fathers" means our previous lives and bodies, the failures of which necessitate our being reborn in further bodies, which thereby are the "children" of those prior bodies. For they are engendered by the necessity for the workings of divine justice, which visits on these subsequent body "children" the iniquities of the original, "father" bodies. The prophet Ezekiel spoke of this phenomenon in this way: "The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge."13 We will consider the "how" of this later on in the explanation which Saint Paul gives in the New Testament.

This verse also gives a right perspective on karma and rebirth. They are never intended as punishment. We are plainly told that "the Lord is longsuffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression." Therefore there can be no question of God being angry or holding a grudge against us for any actions, however negative. Rather, as a loving and merciful Father He "forgives" us without our even asking for it. But there is a law whose execution is necessary for our spiritual development: the law of karma and rebirth. And we are not exempted (cleared) from its fulfillment, for that would not be mercy or forgiveness but harmful indulgence. The abrogation of a law that benefits us would be detrimental to us. God loves us too much for that.

Rabbi Manaseh ben Israel

Our final witness to the stand of orthodox Judaism is the great Rabbi Manaseh ben Israel, who in the seventeenth century single-handedly obtained the repeal of the banning of Jews from England. In his book, Nishmath Hayem, he writes: "The belief of the doctrine of the transmigration of souls is a firm and infallible dogma accepted by the whole assemblage of our church with one accord, so that there is none to be found who would dare to deny it....Indeed, there are a great number of sages in Israel who hold firm to this doctrine so that they made it a dogma, a fundamental point of our religion. We are therefore in duty bound to obey and accept this dogma with acclamation...as the truth of it has been demonstrated by the Zohar, and all books of the Kabalists."

A Jewish Prayer

Today, after a private recitation of the Song of Songs, an orthodox Jew recites the following in a prayer: "...May we attain to that place from which all spirits and souls have come forth, and may we be credited with having fulfilled all that we have been charged to accomplish, whether in this incarnation or in another incarnation, and to be among those who ascend and merit the world to come together with the other saints and righteous...."14

Elijah...Reincarnated!

Right away, in the New Testament, we encounter the subject of reincarnation. The Apostles believed that Jesus was the Messiah, but they had one doubt. In the book of Malachi there was the prophecy: "Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord."15 If Jesus was the Messiah, Elijah should have preceded Him. So "his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias [Elijah] must first come? And Jesus answered and said unto them,...I say unto you, that Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed....Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist."16 Previously, speaking to a crowd about John the Baptist, Jesus told them: "This is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee....And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come."17 Words could hardly be clearer, yet how many Christians today "are willing to receive it"? And they are the words of Christ Himself, in Whom we place all our hope. As the modern philosopher-writer Robert Graves has commented about this passage: "No honest theologian can therefore deny that his acceptance of Jesus as Christ [Messiah] logically binds every Christian to a belief in reincarnation-in Elijah's case, at least."

The Common Belief Of The People

That the Jewish people believed in reincarnation is shown by the following interchange of Jesus and the disciples. "When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets."18 Some believed that John the Baptist had secretly escaped from prison and was preaching under an alias. But many more believed that one of the ancient prophets had been reborn as Jesus. This was because belief in reincarnation was the norm at that time. And nowhere in the Scriptures is it said that the Jews were in doctrinal error at the time of Christ, or that He came to free them from false beliefs-He Himself saying that He had only come to fulfil.19

Belief Of The Apostles

The Apostles also believed in reincarnation, for: "As Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth. And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him."20 Jesus, the Light of the World, would certainly have rebuked the Apostles for wrong belief if reincarnation was not true. Although the man's blindness was for the glory of God, the Lord said, "neither this man nor his parents sinned," implying that the man had certainly existed-and been capable of sinning-before his birth in which he was blind.

Non-Belief in Reincarnation Rebuked By Jesus

When the Pharisee, Nicodemus, expressed his doubts as to a man being able to enter the womb and be born again, physically, saying: "How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?" the Lord Jesus reproved him, saying: "Art thou a master [teacher] of Israel, and knowest not these things?...If I have told you earthly things [about physical rebirth], and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things [about the spiritual rebirth]?"21 especially when every educated Jew was familiar with the already-cited words of Job: "Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither."22 Moreover, every Jew had heard these words of Moses scores of times: "Even from everlasting to everlasting, Thou art God. Thou turnest man to destruction; and sayest, Return, ye children of men....Thou carriest them away like a flood; they are as a sleep: in the morning they are like grass which groweth up [again]....in the evening it is [again] cut down."23

This same idea was also to be found in the prayer of Tobit: "Blessed be God that liveth for ever, and blessed be his kingdom. For he doth scourge, and hath mercy: he leadeth down to hell [hades], and bringeth up again: neither is there any that can avoid his hand."24

Also familiar would have been the direct reference to reincarnation in Ecclesiasticus: "Woe be unto you, ungodly men, which have forsaken the law of the most high God! For when you are born, you shall be born to a curse: and when you die, a curse shall be your portion. All that are of the earth shall return to the earth again: so the ungodly shall go from a curse to destruction."25

God's Law Behind Reincarnation

But why? Saint Paul tells us: "Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap."26 In other words, if we lie, we shall be lied to; if we steal, we shall be stolen from; if we cheat, we shall be cheated; if we injure, we shall be injured; if we kill, we shall be killed. Is this law inexorable? In the verse from Numbers, previously quoted, it is flatly stated that the Lord by no means clears the guilty. This supports Saint Paul's contention that "God is not mocked."

This principle is not new to either of the Testaments, for when Noah had come forth from the Ark, God enunciated the law: "Surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast I will require it, and at the hand of man....Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed."27 Notice that this is not a social law, such as those given to Moses. Noah is not being instructed to take the life of murderers; the Lord says, "I will require it." Yet, how many murderers go undetected and unpunished? Think of the murderers that die natural deaths-even in prisons. Yet God, Who "is not mocked" has said that their life shall be taken by man. And this is in keeping with the next verse in Saint Paul's Galatians exposition: "For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap"-that is, we shall reap in our bodies exactly what we sow in our bodies. And if we die before so doing? Rebirth is the law.

Jewish Writings From The Time Of Jesus And The Apostles

Here are some quotations from Jewish writings that would have been studied by Saint Paul28 and known to Jesus and the Twelve.

"Most souls being at present in the state of transmigrations, God requites a man now for what his soul merited in a bypast time in another body, by having broken some of the 613 precepts....He who neglects to observe any of the 613 precepts, such as were possible for him to observe, is doomed to undergo transmigration once or more than once till he has actually observed all he had neglected to do in a former state of being."29

"The sages of truth remark that Adam contains the initial letters of Adam, David, and Messiah; for after Adam sinned his soul passed into David, and the latter having also sinned, it passed into the Messiah."30

Regarding this, Gershom Scholem says in his book, On the Mystical Shape of the Godhead: "The consonants in Adam's name are read as an acronym for the names of the three bearers of this one soul:Adam, David, Messiah. Kabbalistic literature is filled with discussions of this transmigration chain. At times this chain also includes Moses, the redeemer of Israel from its first Exile." This latter statement is most significant in view of the fact that for many centuries on Good Friday during the exposition of Christ Crucified the choir sings a hymn beginning: "My people, what have I done to you? In what have I offended you, answer me?" in which Jesus speaks to the people most explicitly of His life as Moses, contrasting it with His crucifixion. "Becaue I led thee through the desert forty years: and fed thee with mann, and brought thee into a land exceedingly good, thou hast prepared a cross for thy Savior....I opened the sea before thee: and thou with a spear hast opened My side...I gave thee the water of salvation from the rock to drink: and thou hast given Me gall and vinegar...."

Scholem further says: "The Kabbalists focus quite intensely on Adam's fall. Adam's transgression at the beginning of Creation is repaired by Moses, the lawgiver, by David, who established a throne for the Shekhinah, and will ultimately be perfected by the Messiah. The complementary relationship between the Fall and the Redemption, a notion first expressed by St. Paul and which also occupied the talmudic aggadah, is now given a Kabbalistic formulation in the doctrine of the transmigration of the Messiah's soul: the man who missed humanity's great chance in Paradise is the same one who will ultimately bring about its realization. The situation of Adam, Eve, and the serpent reappears in various guises throughout these transmigrations, each time needing to be overcome. An important Kabbalist of the late Middle Ages offered a highly dramatic retelling of the story of David, Bathsheba, and Uriah from this perspective. Paradoxically, David comes off a great deal better in this esoteric explanation than one might expect from the biblical tale: King David, of blessed memory, was a great sage and recognized transmigrations. When he saw Uriah the Hittite, he knew that he was the Serpent who had seduced Eve, and when he saw Bathsheba he knew that she was Eve, and he knew that he himself was Adam. Thus, he wished to take Bathsheba from Uriah, because she was [destined to be] David's mate....And the reason Nathan the prophet chastised him was because he hastened, and did not wait....For his haste caused him to go to her without performing tikkun (restoration), for he first needed to remove from her the contamination of the Serpent, and thereafter to go to her, and he did not do so. Therefore, his first son from Bathsheba died, for he was from the impurity of the Serpent, but from there on there was no Satan and no bad effect. In Tikkunei ha-Zohar (end of ß61), Adam's reincarnation in Moses is clearly alluded to, albeit in the context of transferring Abel's sin onto Adam, and without any relation to the transmigrations of the Redeemer and of the Messiah: '"And Moses hid his face"-for he remembered what had happened to him before; he remembered his sin and covered himself in shame' similar to Adam's behavior after the sin."



http://www.atmajyoti.org/sw_xtian_believe_reinc.asp

 

[Solo]

27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: 28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. Hebrews 9:27-28

 

[antitox]

Reincarnation is commonly represented in the West as being an exclusively Hindu or Buddhist belief, but it is not. Reincarnation is a tenet of orthodox Judaism, wherein it is called gilgul or ha'atakah, and was so at the time of Christ, and automatically passed over into Christian theology.

Sounds pretty twisted there, Soma. The Elijah thing was a real winner (heard that one before, though)

The artcle claiming that it's in Christian theology is just further confusion in the world of error. This is restating the same atheist points of contention with no intent of realizing truth because it has been covered many times and it gets so old.

If anyone really wanted to know, they could find out instead of wasting time trying to interpret false doctrine into Christian beliefs.

 

[Soma-Sight]

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen05.html

Reincarnation and Israel


Reincarnation has been a belief for thousands of years for orthodox Jews. The Zohar is a book of great authority among Kabbalistic Jews. It states the following:
"All souls are subject to revolutions."

"Men do not know the way they have been judged in all time." (Zohar II, 199b)


That is, in their "revolutions" they lose all memory of the actions that led to their being judged.

Another Kabbalistic book, the Kether Malkuth states:


"If she, the soul, be pure, then she shall obtain favor ... but if she has been defiled, then she shall wander for a time in pain and despair... until the days of her purification." (Kether Malkuth)

 

[Soma-Sight]

Judaism

See main article: Jewish eschatology.

One of Maimonides' 13 Principles of Faith teaches the importance of techiyat hameitim, the "revival of the dead" after the Jewish Messiah arrives. As well, Kabbalah supports the belief in gilgul, or transmigration of souls. Several of the Baal Shem Tov's stories recorded by Martin Buber refer directly to past lives of various people, making it clear that the great spiritual leader and founder of Chassidism could himself perceive the previous lives of others. Before the 20th century, reincarnation was almost universally held to be true in Judaism, and Orthodox Judaism today still supports the belief. Other movements generally do not take a formal position on it. Regardless, no Jewish denominations make reincarnation a central focus of their teaching.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_and_ ... on#Judaism

 

[Soma-Sight]

Supporting passages from a Christian point of view

There are several verses that some claim support reincarnation:


Jeremiah 1:4–5

The 'Word' came to Jeremiah, and said "Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations." This verse has been used by Traditional Christians as evidence that God has foreknowledge of persons and events  that is not limited by time and space. Christians who believe in reincarnation may see this verse as evidence ability to "know" a person throughout a variety of reincarnated lifetimes.

Elijah became John the Baptist


Jewish priests were sent to ask John the Baptist, "Art thou Elijah?" (John, 1:21), which is seen as supporting the conception that Jewish priests believed in the theory of reincarnation. Christ spoke words concerning John the Baptist which are unambiguous and unequivocal: he said, "this IS Elijah." (Matthew 11:14). Later on, upon the Mount of Transfiguration, the Christ said, "Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed… Then the disciples understood that He spake unto them of John the Baptist." (Matthew 17:12,13).


Matthew 11:14

Jesus is recorded as saying: "And if you are willing to receive and accept it, John (the Baptist) himself is Elijah who was to come1". Most traditional Christians prefer to interpret this verse only in a loose fashion to mean that John was only like Elijah. For those Christians who advocate a belief in reincarnation, this verse is interpreted more strictly as meaning exactly what it says, namely that John the Baptist is/was Elijah the prophet himself, which in this strictly interpreted context could only mean that John the Baptist was the reincarnation of Elijah. One related consideration that Christian advocates of reincarnation address concerning the fact that John 1:19–21 appears to contravene Matthew 11:14, denying that John the Baptist is/was Elijah reincarnated, this view ignoring the idea that John the Baptist did not know that he was Elijah. Christian advocates of reincarnation propose that this apparent Biblical contravention in John of what is stated in Matthew may have been a later editorial insertion by doctrinal purists. These types of corrective insertions in John, contravening the first three Gospels, appear to them to have also been added in many other instances within John as well, the gospel of John generally being agreed by Liberals adherent to Higher Criticism to have been written several years after Matthew.


Matthew 17:11–13

Another reference by Jesus that equates John the Baptist with Elijah.


John 9:1-3

The disciples observe a man who was born blind, and inquire of Jesus whether the man himself or his parents sinned, that he was born blind. Some interpret this question to imply that the man would have had some opportunity to sin prior to birth, which at least presupposes the pre-existence of the soul in a situation where there was free will and the ability to commit sin. Jesus replies that in this case neither the man nor his parents sinned, but he does not rebuke the disciples in any way for their belief that it would have been possible for the man to sin prior to birth. This can be and has been interpreted in many ways.


Galatians 6:7

"Whatever one sows, that he will also reap". Some feel that this agrees with the idea of enforced karma, a basic tenet of some other religions that hold the belief in reincarnation; however it also agrees with the concept of divine justice, and of each person being judged fairly, a central tenet of Christianity. The subsequent verses seem to imply that a certain amount of time may pass before a just person reaps their true reward: "at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up". However there is no indication that this time might span more than one lifetime. In any case, those who attempt to use this verse to prove that the Bible endorses the concept of karma suffer the same burden as those who attempt to use Hebrews 9:27 to disprove reincarnation. It is problematic because, by itself, it does not prove reincarnation and is only a single verse. The fact that it was written by the Apostle Paul, and not a saying of Jesus, may also influence Christians who give more weight to Jesus' teachings than to Paul's.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_and_ ... on#Judaism

 

[Solo]

Well, they didn't get the "Jesus is the son of God" thing right, I don't expect them to get the "die once and then the judgment" thing right either. :angel:

 

[Soma-Sight]

Well, they didn't get the "Jesus is the son of God" thing right, I don't expect them to get the "die once and then the judgment" thing right either.

Well no one really got that one, gentile included...

It seems people like to lump "all correct" doctrine in one religious camp....

Could the Jews have doctrine which is correct and the Protestant denoms be mistaken on certain points?

 

[Solo]

There is no purpose for reincarnation.

 

[Solo]

Well, they didn't get the "Jesus is the son of God" thing right, I don't expect them to get the "die once and then the judgment" thing right either.

Well no one really got that one, gentile included...

It seems people like to lump "all correct" doctrine in one religious camp....

Could the Jews have doctrine which is correct and the Protestant denoms be mistaken on certain points?

Oh but you are in error. Thousands upon thousands of Jews and Gentiles believed in the Son of God as he taught the truths of God the Father, but the consensus of those leading the Jews were and are against Jesus Christ.

 

[Soma-Sight]

There is no purpose for reincarnation.

OK, let me be quite honest here...

I honestly hope reincarnation is FALSE!

To be born again in this world of insanity to have a go at it again is almost too mindnumbingly hard for me to take...

But as far as purpose goes for this doctrine it has to do with the evolution and growth of the spirit.

OK, we can all kiss the butt of Jesus and be off on our merry way to the Heavenly cosmos.... But did we really DO anything ourselves? Did we actually grow?

Reincarnation allows one to PAY and REAP for what you performed in your life.

It is an exact judgement.

For every penny stolen I pay back one.

For every life saved I gain.

ETC

So reincarnation is the ultimate "fair scale" doctrine in my estimation.

It is a doctrine that favors active work in the spiritual life and careful consideration before doing stupid things instead of just falling back on the "Grace" card / get out of jail free via Jesus.....

 

[Solo]

There is no purpose for reincarnation.

OK, let me be quite honest here...

I honestly hope reincarnation is FALSE!

To be born again in this world of insanity to have a go at it again is almost too mindnumbingly hard for me to take...

But as far as purpose goes for this doctrine it has to do with the evolution and growth of the spirit.

OK, we can all kiss the butt of Jesus and be off on our merry way to the Heavenly cosmos.... But did we really DO anything ourselves? Did we actually grow?

Reincarnation allows one to PAY and REAP for what you performed in your life.

It is an exact judgement.

For every penny stolen I pay back one.

For every life saved I gain.

ETC

So reincarnation is the ultimate "fair scale" doctrine in my estimation.

It is a doctrine that favors active work in the spiritual life and careful consideration before doing stupid things instead of just falling back on the "Grace" card / get out of jail free via Jesus.....

Then deny the work that Jesus did on the cross and get busy earning your spiritual way into perfectness. Hint: You don't have the ability.

Reincarnation is a lie from the devil himself. It is interesting that you would rather kiss his butt.

 

[Soma-Sight]

Then deny the work that Jesus did on the cross and get busy earning your spiritual way into perfectness. Hint: You don't have the ability.

Reincarnation is a lie from the devil himself. It is interesting that you would rather kiss his butt.

Well Solo believe it or not all the Gospel really boils down to is cheerleading for Jesus....

I am so worthless!!!

But I dont have to worry!!!

Why?!?!?!

Because.....

Give me a J
Give me a E
Give me a S
Give me a U
Give me a S

What does that spell????

JESUS!!!

He is God!

We are not!

We suck!

He rocks!

We sin!

He is Perfect!

He is Alive!

We will die from various malignancies!

He is the Son of God!

We are the sons of Satan!!

We make mistakes!

He couldnt make a mistake if He tried!

Hooray!

So believe He is better, stronger, and just plain GOD and you get saved!!!! Not from your own worthless tries to do good but because God's Son rocks and you dont!!!!




Also I say unto you, whosoever shall confess me before men....

him shall the Son of Man also confess before the Angels of God....

But he that denieth me before men....

shall be denied before the Angels of God.....

So what are you waiting for!

Proclaim that Jesus is the man...

And that you are the spam!!!!

 

[Solo]

Just as I said....Reincarnation has no purpose. Jesus has done all that is necessary to give us a righteous life forever.

 

[Soma-Sight]

Just as I said....Reincarnation has no purpose. Jesus has done all that is necessary to give us a righteous life forever.

lol,

Fair Enough!

 

[Featherbop]

Reincarnation is no more satanic than the doctrine of immoratal human souls. Many christians seem to hold a mild belief in reincarnation anyway.

Go figure...

 

[Soma-Sight]

Reincarnation is no more satanic than the doctrine of immoratal human souls. Many christians seem to hold a mild belief in reincarnation anyway.

Go figure...

You mean the old eternal life in hell for sinners doctrine?

 

[Featherbop]

Reincarnation is no more satanic than the doctrine of immoratal human souls. Many christians seem to hold a mild belief in reincarnation anyway.

Go figure...

You mean the old eternal life in hell for sinners doctrine?

Yeah, that's essentially a mainstay of the IS doctrine, which I would also call just as satanic as well.