Does anyone keep the Sabbath?

[handy]

Here is probably the key passage in the Bible concerning Christians and our true Sabbath:


Hebrews 4

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

The Believer’s Rest

4 Therefore, let us fear if, while a promise remains of entering His rest, any one of you may seem to have come short of it. <sup class="versenum">2 </sup>For indeed we have had good news preached to us, just as they also; but the word they heard did not profit them, because it was not united by faith in those who heard. <sup class="versenum">3 </sup>For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said,
“ As I swore in My wrath,
They shall not enter My rest,â€

although His works were finished from the foundation of the world. <sup class="versenum">4 </sup>For He has said somewhere concerning the seventh day: “ And God rested on the seventh day from all His worksâ€; <sup class="versenum">5 </sup>and again in this passage, “ They shall not enter My rest.†<sup class="versenum">6 </sup>Therefore, since it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly had good news preached to them failed to enter because of disobedience, <sup class="versenum">7 </sup>He again fixes a certain day, “Today,†saying through David after so long a time just as has been said before,
“ Today if you hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.â€

<sup class="versenum">8 </sup>For if Joshua had given them rest, He would not have spoken of another day after that. <sup class="versenum">9 </sup>So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. <sup class="versenum">10 </sup>For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His. <sup class="versenum">11 </sup>Therefore let us be diligent to enter that rest, so that no one will fall, through following the same example of disobedience.


We who have believed enter that rest....

 

[DavidThompson]

You all ought to be concerned when the Bible says that only a few will be saved, and your religion is 1.3 billion strong.

You should all check out Pastor Dowell on youtube for the good of your souls.

The Law is not done away with - you just pick and choose which Laws you need to obey. Take note - you choose not to do the Sabbath, maybe next you will choose to steal or murder. Aren't you a debtor to do the whole Law if you keep one of them? By your logic, the molesting, murdering thief is a better Christian than you are, because he practices not keeping any of the Law.

While you easily dismiss the Sabbath, you so religiously hold onto Sunday. Is it because you have converted to worshiping the sun? Why are our days of the week named after other gods anyway?

 

[Elijah674]

OK... if you want to live by the Law.. go ahead. I hope you do realize that you need to live by each and every letter of the Law... not just the Sabbath law, but each and every single one... watch which materials you mix together... and if your kid disrespects you, be sure to stone him to death... and keep up on which women are having their "time of the month", you won't be able to touch anything they touch.

Myself, I'd rather trust in Jesus' finished work on the cross, rather than in my own efforts to save myself. I know for a fact, I couldn't do it. Praise God that He sent His Son to fulfill righteousness for my sake. I'd never, ever make it otherwise.

I'll take being a Christian over being anything else, any day of the week, no matter what the Romans named them.

Hey are you not keeping the ten Commandments?? you are a killer & adultary 'c'hristian??? Naw, just thre 4th one is what you mean, huh? See James 2:10 along with 8-[12 for Christ's finished work.]

It is interesting how Christ came to do His Fathers will, and stated that [IF] you love ME keep my Commandments and what do we read??

 

[stovebolts]

I'm actually thinking it would be nice to keep the sabbath! Sometimes I get so tired of always doing, doing doing I feel like I need something that forces me to slow down and just enjoy what's around me... Don't get me wrong, I like to do stuff.. it's kinda who I am, but it can become a problem once in awhile.

It's supposed to be 90 this weekend... Sitting around the lake all day sounds like a really good idea... Maybe that's what Jesus meant by the Sabbath is for man? Just a thought.

 

[handy]

Hey are you not keeping the ten Commandments?? you are a killer & adultary 'c'hristian??? Naw, just thre 4th one is what you mean, huh? See James 2:10 along with 8-[12 for Christ's finished work.]

It is interesting how Christ came to do His Fathers will, and stated that [IF] you love ME keep my Commandments and what do we read??

Sure I keep the commandments.. I love the Lord with all my heart, mind and soul and I love my neighbor as myself.

I already know I'm guilty of breaking the whole Law... so are you, so is David Thompson and so is Pastor Dowell. Only Jesus kept the whole Law. I seek His mercy and His grace and follow His commandment to love Him and my neighbor.

DavidThompson said, "Bible says that only a few will be saved, and your religion is 1.3 billion strong"...


Hmmm,

After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands; and they cry out with a loud voice, saying,“ Salvation to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb.†And all the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures; and they fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, saying, “ Amen, blessing and glory and wisdom and thanksgiving and honor and power and might, be to our God forever and ever. Amen.†Revelation 7:9-12





The Bible does not say "only a few will be saved".

 

[Elijah674]

Sure I keep the commandments.. I love the Lord with all my heart, mind and soul and I love my neighbor as myself.

I already know I'm guilty of breaking the whole Law... so are you, so is David Thompson and so is Pastor Dowell. Only Jesus kept the whole Law. I seek His mercy and His grace and follow His commandment to love Him and my neighbor.

DavidThompson said, "Bible says that only a few will be saved, and your religion is 1.3 billion strong"...


Hmmm,

After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands; and they cry out with a loud voice, saying,“ Salvation to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb.†And all the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures; and they fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, saying, “ Amen, blessing and glory and wisdom and thanksgiving and honor and power and might, be to our God forever and ever. Amen.†Revelation 7:9-12





The Bible does not say "only a few will be saved".

Perhaps I missed your first & second point. Every ones sins, so why not just have fun at it huh???

 

[Danus]

As Christians our Sabbath rest is in Jesus Christ.
Why do we want to go back to types and shadows of what has already come?

It perplexes me how we so often fail to see the bible in it's chronological order; falling back on old testament civil and ceremonial law, and the old covenant. There is the "NEW" TESTAMENT...a "NEW" COVENANT to which we should be basing our Christian faith.

If anyone is "keeping" the Sabbath in a civil and ceremonial law fashion as described in the OT, then make sure your not working or cooking anything on the Sabbath, just to name a few things.

Mosaic Law was concerned with the old covenant.

If you check Leviticus you will discover that the old
covenant was between God and Israel.

Gentiles (us) were not included in the old covenant.

We Gentiles were included only within the new covenant.

So the Ten Commandments are not applicable to the
Gentiles.

:yes

Yes they are. the 10 commandments are absolutely applicable to the gentiles, as for the Sabbath, that is in Jesus Christ. We are held to the "Moral" aspect of the law, that did not change, but for redemption.

 

[Elijah674]

As Christians our Sabbath rest is in Jesus Christ.
Why do we want to go back to types and shadows of what has already come?

It perplexes me how we so often fail to see the bible in it's chronological order; falling back on old testament civil and ceremonial law, and the old covenant. There is the "NEW" TESTAMENT...a "NEW" COVENANT to which we should be basing our Christian faith.

If anyone is "keeping" the Sabbath in a civil and ceremonial law fashion as described in the OT, then make sure your not working or cooking anything on the Sabbath, just to name a few things.



Yes they are. the 10 commandments are absolutely applicable to the gentiles, as for the Sabbath, that is in Jesus Christ. We are held to the "Moral" aspect of the law, that did not change, but for redemption.

Rest in Christ?? By breaking His Law? not hardly. Disobedience in any form of James 2:10 by breaking His law finds one in condemnation, not peace! 1 John 3:4 is talking of the Ten Commandment that are our standard to be judged by to see if our professed faith is genuine! Read on in James above to verse 12.

 

[Danus]

Rest in Christ?? By breaking His Law? not hardly. Disobedience in any form of James 2:10 by breaking His law finds one in condemnation, not peace! 1 John 3:4 is talking of the Ten Commandment that are our standard to be judged by to see if our professed faith is genuine! Read on in James above to verse 12.

:biglol.......if you want to be judged perfect on your own merit, by all means go right ahead. As for me I place my trust in Christ and his ability, not mine; and by doing that I am conformed to him and not myself.

Good luck in the Judgment. You'll need to score a 100% by the way. Good luck.

 

[handy]

Perhaps I missed your first & second point. Every ones sins, so why not just have fun at it huh???

Come on, Elijah... I didn't say anything that can be remotely construed as that. There is absolutely nothing in my post that would suggest that I take a light view of what nailed our Lord to the cross. Come on, brother... that kind of sarcasm is beneath a man of your biblical knowledge.

You violate James 2:10 as well, Elijah... maybe not as far as a Sabbath Day... but somehow, in someway, you violate the Old Testament laws...

We all do...

There is no one righteous, not even one. All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. But, God demonstrates His own love for us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, <sup class="versenum"></sup>so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
(Gospel in a nutshell: Romans 3:10, 3:23, 5:8, 8:1-4)

 

[Fedusenko]

You violate James 2:10 as well, Elijah... maybe not as far as a Sabbath Day... but somehow, in someway, you violate the Old Testament laws...

We all do...

There is no one righteous, not even one. All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. But, God demonstrates His own love for us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
(Gospel in a nutshell: Romans 3:10, 3:23, 5:8, 8:1-4)

Violate and violated are not the same thing. A plumber plumbs, but if becomes an electrician and gives up his poopy ways, is he still a plumber?

God demonstrates His own love for us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

is the same as

God demonstrates His own love for us, even when we WERE just sinners...

 

[handy]

James 2:10 has been brought up many times... if someone violates even one part of the law, he is guilty of all of it....

Is anyone willing to stand here and testify that, even after you were born again, you have kept the entire law, perfectly and at all times?

Is anyone really willing to do that?

I know of some who claim to do so... I've yet to see it actually pan out in their lives.

You may keep the Sabbath perfectly... you may cease all your labor at sundown on Friday night and do everything perfectly until sundown on Saturday night.... and if that blesses you, then that's wonderful.

But, if you've stumbled on even one point of any of the other laws then you are guilty of the whole of it.

Far, far better to do exactly as James tells us to do... <sup class="versenum"></sup>"So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty. For judgment will be merciless to one who has shown no mercy; mercy triumphs over judgment." James 2:12-13

 

[Danus]

James 2:10 has been brought up many times... if someone violates even one part of the law, he is guilty of all of it....

Is anyone willing to stand here and testify that, even after you were born again, you have kept the entire law, perfectly and at all times?

Is anyone really willing to do that?

I know of some who claim to do so... I've yet to see it actually pan out in their lives.

You may keep the Sabbath perfectly... you may cease all your labor at sundown on Friday night and do everything perfectly until sundown on Saturday night.... and if that blesses you, then that's wonderful.

But, if you've stumbled on even one point of any of the other laws then you are guilty of the whole of it.

Far, far better to do exactly as James tells us to do... <sup class="versenum"></sup>"So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty. For judgment will be merciless to one who has shown no mercy; mercy triumphs over judgment." James 2:12-13

Agree Handy.

We are not saved to a club for "Good People"; we are saved from the wrath and Judgment of God; in it's place, mercy and grace upon a people who know full well they can not save themselves because of their own guilt.

We are not criminals trying to "beat a wrap", we are criminals pleading guilty with tears. Acknowledging our who and what we are, asking for mercy from the only one who can grant it. The law; the sabbath is in him, not us.

 

[Elijah674]

I'm actually thinking it would be nice to keep the sabbath! Sometimes I get so tired of always doing, doing doing I feel like I need something that forces me to slow down and just enjoy what's around me... Don't get me wrong, I like to do stuff.. it's kinda who I am, but it can become a problem once in awhile.

It's supposed to be 90 this weekend... Sitting around the lake all day sounds like a really good idea... Maybe that's what Jesus meant by the Sabbath is for man? Just a thought.

It is amazing how some read the 4th Commandment & then find that it has something to do with 'feast days'??

But if they will re/read it, it also has several other objects mentioned there for required 7th Day Sabbath rest. And Isa. 58 finds duties that are 7th Day Sabbath duties & those that are not.

Isa. 58
[12] And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.
[13] If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
[14] Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

 

[Elijah674]

It is amazing how some read the 4th Commandment & then find that it has something to do with 'feast days'??

But if they will re/read it, it also has several other objects mentioned there for required 7th Day Sabbath rest. And Isa. 58 finds duties that are 7th Day Sabbath duties & those that are not.

Isa. 58
[12] And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.
[13] If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
[14] Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

Me again Bolts. I reread your post & that time around it came back to me that you might be poking some kind of fun at the thread?? (if so, see Eze. 8:17 with some who .. 'put the branch to their nose.' And verse 16 had these same ones '.. with their backs toward the temple of the Lord, and their faces toward the east; and they worshiped the sun toward the east.'

Perhaps 'i' am kind of slow or dense, surely you did not mean to do that, huh?
But, according to James 2:10, actually 8-12 we will be judged by what is called the Law of Liberty. Any way killing & adultery is found in the ten Commands in those verses. And verse ten find all ten broken when one breaks one of them.

And in Christ's Own Words of John 14 we can find ourselves on one side or the other as He tell us.

[21] He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
[22] Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?

[23] Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
[24] He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

Hope that you are keeping cool!

--Elijah

 

[reba]

I might ask Tim for some understanding here...

The Hebrews had a couple calenders... I think they followed the moon cycles. What i am getting at how do we know today which day is the Sabbath? I am sending A PM to tim.... I could be totally off base

 

[handy]

But, according to James 2:10, actually 8-12 we will be judged by what is called the Law of Liberty. Any way killing & adultery is found in the ten Commands in those verses. And verse ten find all ten broken when one breaks one of them.

So the key question becomes "What is the law of liberty and how does it differ from the Law of the Old Covenant?"

 

[Elijah674]

So the key question becomes "What is the law of liberty and how does it differ from the Law of the Old Covenant?"

I see it that way. Rom.8:1 has some IN CHRIST & verse 14 finds these ALL LED! If not??? We are at [[LIBERTY TO NOT FOLLOW]] or not to do so. And then 1 John 3:3-4 finds us right back where we started from if we will not follow.
[3] And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
[4] Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.


--Elijah

 

[tim-from-pa]

I might ask Tim for some understanding here...

The Hebrews had a couple calenders... I think they followed the moon cycles. What i am getting at how do we know today which day is the Sabbath? I am sending A PM to tim.... I could be totally off base

While you are correct about the lunar cycles, and following the feasts, the Sabbath was a cyclical 7 days and did not depend on the calendar but merely numbering the days.

To all:

The Sabbath is the Sabbath. It is from Friday sundown until Saturday Sundown, and I find no scripture where that has been changed, nor can anyone supply me with any.

To Sabbath Keepers: That's great and is a start, but there's more. Do you keep the Sabbatical years and the year of Jubilee every 49 years?

The Sabbath and feasts were "shadows of things to come" in which the substance is in Christ. Keeping a literal Sabbath is merely the outward sign of resting in Christ (of faith). The same with the Law. The 10 commandments for example were summarized by Jesus as loving God and your fellow man. I know of no one who loves God and worships and idol, or one who loves his neighbor and neighs after his wife to commit adultery. If one loves God and man, the 10 commandments will follow. Likewise, if one rests in faith in Christ, Sabbath will follow.

The debate gets weary after awhile. I think I need another Sabbath.

 

[Danus]

............The Sabbath is the Sabbath. It is from Friday sundown until Saturday Sundown, and I find no scripture where that has been changed, nor can anyone supply me with any.

To Sabbath Keepers: That's great and is a start, but there's more. Do you keep the Sabbatical years and the year of Jubilee every 49 years?

The Sabbath and feasts were "shadows of things to come" in which the substance is in Christ. Keeping a literal Sabbath is merely the outward sign of resting in Christ (of faith). The same with the Law. The 10 commandments for example were summarized by Jesus as loving God and your fellow man. I know of no one who loves God and worships and idol, or one who loves his neighbor and neighs after his wife to commit adultery. If one loves God and man, the 10 commandments will follow. Likewise, if one rests in faith in Christ, Sabbath will follow.

The debate gets weary after awhile. I think I need another Sabbath.

We do have another Sabbath, Jesus; and you pointed it out. Here are a few good articles on the topic of our Sabbath rest in Christ Jesus. How it is and why it is.

http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-Sabbath.html

http://www.ldolphin.org/sabbathrest.html

I like the second one best, but the first one is a solid overview.