Does God give up on people?

[WalterandDebbie]

This is from an observation of a preacher, and what they see. It has to be looked at it that way, through those eyes.

What do we Pastors see? We see a whole bunch of people we want to help, and certainly they call all hours of the night wanting help.
Thing is, I can't help all them, and neither can God. It may look to me, they have crossed that line in what they don't feel bad about. That is not what is really going on though.

People coming to you wanting help and answers, want God. It's not like they have turned from God, to follow something else. In their minds they are still looking to Jesus, but they can't figure out why their life is such a mess and why things go south all the time.

As Pastors, that is what we see all the time.

What causes this? violation of light they where given, and a conscience they have ignored to the point it's no longer on their conscience. In other words, they have self deceived themselves right out of the will of God, and into the hands of Mr. Devil.

Example:
One girl, who had lots of faith, and loved God sat and explained to me all the problems she was having. Being sick, then not being able to pay the bills, and on and on, and on. She could not figure out why God was not helping her. This had been going on for a few years.
She told me how God always use to bless her, and told me of this amazing relationship she had with God, but now.... Nothing.

The Lord prompted me to ask how her boyfriend was doing. She said fine, they had been getting along better, He works more around the apartment with dishes and things. She said he is very supportive.

Not a thing in the World I can do. Not a thing in the World God can do. The conversation is over.

What I know is, the Lord told her to leave this guy alone a few years back, and not to shack up with him. She made excuses about how God knows they love each other, and God knows they will be married someday anyway. Well, 3 years later they are not married.

She violated her own conscience years back, and walked right out of the plan of God.

I have a person right now like that, she called me up saying, I know you have a Word for me Brother Mike. I do, but she won't accept it, I already know. She wants things fixed, but things don't get fixed when you have reasoned your way out of what God told you to do from the start.

God don't give up, and we can talk about judgement and death also as that is in scripture. Once down the path of being self deceived where you believe your own lie to yourself, there is nothing God can say that He has not already said. What he did say to your heart, you have over ridden to the point that God did not really mean or say that. Nothing else for God to say at this point.

I'am in an agreement with the above statement, but as far as the scriptures goes: if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, II Chronicles 7:14, Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. Acts 2:38, Marriage is honorable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge, Hebrews 13:4.

The above is all I can think of at this time, but I would also say that as one would start a better relationship with God first of all things. And my answer is: God don't give up, and we can talk about judgement and death also as that is in scripture.

Can two walk together except they are agreed: Webster's Bible Do two walk together, unless they have agreed? ... for Amos 3:3. 3:3 Agreed - Can you have God's presence while you walk so contrary to him?

 

[JoJoe]

I propose that denying one knows God and actually not knowing God are two different things. Scripture seems to say that we all know Him by virtue of His invisible attributes and nobody has an excuse. Therefore we cannot excuse or make excuse for those who deny His existence and neither does He.

Ultimately yes, at the end of the day there is none, past present, nor future, believer and unbeliever alike will acknowledge not only the existence of the one true God, but also His preeminence over all of creation, including their own soul. Angels in heaven, demons in hell, the redeemed and the unredeemed—all of creation—will confess the supremacy of Christ, His rightful rule and reign over all. Amen.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Ultimately yes, at the end of the day there is none, past present, nor future, believer and unbeliever alike will acknowledge not only the existence of the one true God, but also His preeminence over all of creation, including their own soul. Angels in heaven, demons in hell, the redeemed and the unredeemed—all of creation—will confess the supremacy of Christ, His rightful rule and reign over all. Amen.

And He did not do many miracles there because of their unbelief. Matthew 13:58 And he did not do many miracles there because of their lack of faith.

But yes, Jesus did turn his back on them, because of their unbelief.

 

[Michael74]

“The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’

“ ‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may uproot the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest. Matthew 13:28b-30a NIV

 

[WIP]

These verses also come to mind where Jesus instructs his disciples.

11 “Now whatever city or town you enter, inquire who in it is worthy, and stay there till you go out.
12 And when you go into a household, greet it.
13 If the household is worthy, let your peace come upon it. But if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you.
14 And whoever will not receive you nor hear your words, when you depart from that house or city, shake off the dust from your feet.
15 Assuredly, I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city!
Matthew 10:11-15

 

[Deborah13]

We are all without excuse, that is, all of creation.
20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,

And the very scriptures in Romans 1 show us that is true. What did they do. They worshiped. But instead of worshiping God they replaced Him with idols.
No matter which religion or which tribal group of people we look at, they all have an idol. The most remote jungle tribes have idols they worship. The more civilized men worship, too. They replace God with science, money, movie actors, husband/wives, you name it, they find something to replace God. Because God made us to worship, it is just a part of who we are.

 

[JoJoe]

And the very scriptures in Romans 1 show us that is true. What did they do. They worshiped. But instead of worshiping God they replaced Him with idols.
No matter which religion or which tribal group of people we look at, they all have an idol. The most remote jungle tribes have idols they worship. The more civilized men worship, too. They replace God with science, money, movie actors, husband/wives, you name it, they find something to replace God. Because God made us to worship, it is just a part of who we are.

It's crazy how the wants in life seem to disappear after worshiping Christ Jesus. A shame all the wasted years not giving praise.

 

[YosefHayim]

People give up on God, not God on people.

 

[WIP]

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,
19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.
20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,
23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves,
25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature.
27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting;
29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers,
30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful;
32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them. Romans 1:28-32

Seems like this could be happening right now with our country as a whole. We accept and even celebrate civil unions outside the bonds of matrimony. We openly engage in sexual immorality even legalizing prostitution. We sell sex and promote it with our advertising. Sex is huge in the entertainment world. That doesn't happen unless there's a market for it. We openly support and now encourage homosexual activity. We kill the unborn by the millions; almost 1.5 million per year in the US. On a side note, worldwide we kill about 45 million annually - equivalent to the entire population of Spain every year. With the recent US Supreme Court ruling, I predict Pandora's Box has now been opened to other things such as incest, bestiality, and who knows what else. Am I spouting doom and gloom? I sure hope so but it sure seems we are not moving toward God but rather away from Him. In one breath our leaders push for that which is abominable and then spout the words, "God bless America!" These are scary times indeed.