Does God LOVE everybody

[JLB]

It's because you're not reading what I wrote.

"Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)"

But just in case you can't understand what Paul is saying: grace is God's action to raise whoever He wants from spiritual death to spiritual life and place us in Christ. This is how Paul defines grace in this statement. And it is motivated by God's love for the person He elects to adopt as His own child - Eph. 1:5, 2:4.

According to this, it is not possible that God loves everyone the same, otherwise He would act this way toward everyone. And we know He doesn't.
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So I’m right, you haven’t defined grace. You just quoted some scriptures that have the word grace in it.


Grace is the God given ability (unmerited) to do what we can not do on our own.

Grace is the Holy Spirit; the Spirit of grace.

Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? Hebrews 10:28-29


Like truth, grace is both something as well as Someone.


Without the Holy Spirit we can not accomplish God’s will they way Jesus or the people God used in the Bible.


Take Noah for instance.


By faith Noah, being divinely warned of things not yet seen, moved with godly fear, prepared an ark for the saving of his household, by which he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith. Hebrews 11:7

When God spoke to Noah, warning him of the flood, and telling him to build the ark, Noah received faith as well as grace to accomplish building the ark;

God imparts faith and grace to us when He speaks to us.


Faith is the substance of the thing He wants us to accomplish and grace is the power and ability to accomplish the thing He wants to accomplish through us.

 

[JLB]

I acknowledge that God has a common love for mankind as His creation

I agree.

 

[JLB]

1 John 3:15 Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him

The text says they are a murderer and are not saved (does not have eternal life).

Everyone who hates his brother…

his brother refers to two brothers in Christ.

 

[JLB]

The ones believing in Jn 3:16 are saved and they were Loved by God

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16

• For God so loved the world

God loves the world.


Whoever believes in God’s Son has everlasting life.

Whoever does not believe in God’s Son does not have everlasting life.


He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him. John 3:36

 

[JLB]

He is our creator. He has the right to require anything of us He wants.
From a purely worldly point of view, our lives and the lives of everybody else would be better if we all loved everybody else as we loved ourselves.
We wouldn't have people starting somebody on fire in the subway as one example.

God requires us to love as He loves.

If someone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen? 1 John 4:20

 

[Whatever]

By saying his brother, John is referring to two Christians.


False Christian is not mentioned.

But it is implied. John is assuming that the person is a Christian. As we are to do to somebody who tells us he is a Christian. It is possible for a person to believe in vain.

1 Corinthians 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.

Vain means
Not yielding the desired outcome; fruitless.
Lacking substance or worth

Act 8:13 Then Simon himself also believed; and when he was baptized he continued with Philip, and was amazed, seeing the miracles and signs which were done
then later Peter says to him
Act 8:21 You have neither part nor portion in this matter, for your heart is not right in the sight of God.

So, just claiming to believe is not enough.

1 John_2:4 He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John_4:20 If someone says, "I love God," and hates his brother, he is a liar

The Christian who hates his brother started off being a brother in Christ, then he no longer has eternal life abiding in him.

Again, you are making a category mistake.
You are mistaking John calling somebody a brother with that person being born again.
John calls him a brother out of charity. That person claims to be a brother, so John calls him that.
We can take the words of 1 John 4:20 and just change a few words and get the same meaning.

1 John_4:20 If someone says, "I love God," and hates his brother, he is a liar
If someone claims to be a brother and hates his brother, he is a liar
If someone claims to be a Christian and hates his brother, he is a liar
You don't become born again and then at some future time start to hate your brother and become un-born again.

 

[Whatever]

God requires us to love as He loves.

Did God love the people of Sodom or Jericho? He wiped both of them out. Whole cities. Today we would call that genocide.

 

[JLB]

But it is implied. John is assuming that the person is a Christian. As we are to do to somebody who tells us he is a Christian. It is possible for a person to believe in vain.

1 Corinthians 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.

Vain means
Not yielding the desired outcome; fruitless.
Lacking substance or worth

Act 8:13 Then Simon himself also believed; and when he was baptized he continued with Philip, and was amazed, seeing the miracles and signs which were done
then later Peter says to him
Act 8:21 You have neither part nor portion in this matter, for your heart is not right in the sight of God.

So, just claiming to believe is not enough.

1 John_2:4 He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John_4:20 If someone says, "I love God," and hates his brother, he is a liar

Again, you are making a category mistake.
You are mistaking John calling somebody a brother with that person being born again.
John calls him a brother out of charity. That person claims to be a brother, so John calls him that.
We can take the words of 1 John 4:20 and just change a few words and get the same meaning.

1 John_4:20 If someone says, "I love God," and hates his brother, he is a liar
If someone claims to be a brother and hates his brother, he is a liar
If someone claims to be a Christian and hates his brother, he is a liar
You don't become born again and then at some future time start to hate your brother and become un-born again.

The key word in John 3:15 that confirms John is referring to two brothers in Christ is the word abiding; remaining, continuing.

Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. 1 John 3:15

How can something remain in someone that was never in them in the first place.

Can you remain in a house you were never in?

 

[JLB]

Did God love the people of Sodom or Jericho? He wiped both of them out. Whole cities. Today we would call that genocide.

What about the people who are cast into the depths of hell?

Does God hate them?

 

[Whatever]

How can something remain in someone that was never in them in the first place.

John uses the same word in his gospel.

John 5:38 But you do not have His word abiding in you, because whom He sent, Him you do not believe.

These people do not believe. They could not be considered brothers or Christians. So His Word could never have been in them in the first place.

Jesus talking to the same people 4 verses later:
John 5:42 But I know you, that you do not have the love of God in you.

 

[JLB]

John 5:38 But you do not have His word abiding in you, because whom He sent, Him you do not believe.

abide = remain or continue.

That's why Jesus said if you continue in my word you are my disciples indeed.

That doesn't mean a person can not start out being a disciple then turn away from continuing.

Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 1:9

A person must remain or continue in His teaching, rather than transgress or go beyond His teaching and begin to believe and teach heresy; the doctrines of man. Teaching other doctrines can lead others astray, thus leading them away from Christ.

Very serious.

 

[brightfame52]

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16

• For God so loved the world

God loves the world.


Whoever believes in God’s Son has everlasting life.

Whoever does not believe in God’s Son does not have everlasting life.


He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him. John 3:36

God Loves the believers, them believing in the world, so if one never becomes a believer in Jesus, not that false jesus you promote, but the Jesus who has saved His people from their sins, then God didnt love them. John 3:16 is about them believing no one else !

 

[JLB]

God Loves the believers,

My bible says God so loved the world.

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16


Could you post John 3:16 from your bible and let's compare.



JLB

 

[brightfame52]

My bible says God so loved the world.

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16


Could you post John 3:16 from your bible and let's compare.



JLB

John 3:16 is about them believing, thats who God so loved. If one doesnt become a believer in Jesus, God didnt love them

 

[Bruce.Leiter]

There is a difference between universal love for all humans and special love for believers.

 

[brightfame52]

There is a difference between universal love for all humans and special love for believers.

Yeah in your imagination

 

[Whatever]

That doesn't mean a person can not start out being a disciple then turn away from continuing.

Yes, Calvinists agree. A person can start out and not continue. He can be considered a disciple (a learner or pupil), even a Christian (follower), but if the person is not elect, he will fall away at some time.

1 John 5:4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. . . .

If the "disciple" or "Christian" is not born of God, then the world, the flesh or the Devil will overcome him.

 

[Whatever]

Could you post John 3:16 from your bible and let's compare.

If you are focusing on the one word "world" then every one uses that word.

But most people focus on the word "whosoever" and think it means "anybody whosoever who by an act of their libertarian free will."

For God so loved the world so that anybody whosoever who by an act of their libertarian free will believes, shall not perish but have eternal life.
God's purpose was to give every libertarian free will person a chance to save themselves by obeying one simple commandment - believe.

Christian Standard Bible
16 For God loved the world in this way: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.

GOD’S WORD Translation
16 God loved the world this way: He gave his only Son so that everyone who believes in him will not die but will have eternal life.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
16 “For God loved the world in this way: He gave His One and Only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life.

International Standard Version
16 “For this is how God loved the world: He gave his uniquely existing Son so that everyone who believes in him would not be lost but have eternal life.

Lexham English Bible
16 For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life.

John 6:64 But there are some of you who do not believe." For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him.

God sent His Son so that everyone who believes shall be saved, and Jesus knew from the begging who would not believe. I assume that if Jesus knew, the Father did too. So did God send His Son for all those He knew from the beginning would not believe?

Do you want to deny God's omniscience and foreknowledge?

 

[electedbyHim]

Everyone who hates his brother…

his brother refers to two brothers in Christ.

The text does not say that.

If the person (everyone) in the text hates his brother, that person (everyone) is not really saved.