Does God LOVE everybody

[JLB]

1 John 3:15 Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him

The text says they are a murderer and are not saved (does not have eternal life).

Everyone who hates his brother…

his brother refers to two brothers in Christ.

 

[JLB]

The ones believing in Jn 3:16 are saved and they were Loved by God

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16

• For God so loved the world

God loves the world.


Whoever believes in God’s Son has everlasting life.

Whoever does not believe in God’s Son does not have everlasting life.


He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him. John 3:36

 

[JLB]

He is our creator. He has the right to require anything of us He wants.
From a purely worldly point of view, our lives and the lives of everybody else would be better if we all loved everybody else as we loved ourselves.
We wouldn't have people starting somebody on fire in the subway as one example.

God requires us to love as He loves.

If someone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen? 1 John 4:20

 

[Whatever]

By saying his brother, John is referring to two Christians.


False Christian is not mentioned.

But it is implied. John is assuming that the person is a Christian. As we are to do to somebody who tells us he is a Christian. It is possible for a person to believe in vain.

1 Corinthians 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.

Vain means
Not yielding the desired outcome; fruitless.
Lacking substance or worth

Act 8:13 Then Simon himself also believed; and when he was baptized he continued with Philip, and was amazed, seeing the miracles and signs which were done
then later Peter says to him
Act 8:21 You have neither part nor portion in this matter, for your heart is not right in the sight of God.

So, just claiming to believe is not enough.

1 John_2:4 He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John_4:20 If someone says, "I love God," and hates his brother, he is a liar

The Christian who hates his brother started off being a brother in Christ, then he no longer has eternal life abiding in him.

Again, you are making a category mistake.
You are mistaking John calling somebody a brother with that person being born again.
John calls him a brother out of charity. That person claims to be a brother, so John calls him that.
We can take the words of 1 John 4:20 and just change a few words and get the same meaning.

1 John_4:20 If someone says, "I love God," and hates his brother, he is a liar
If someone claims to be a brother and hates his brother, he is a liar
If someone claims to be a Christian and hates his brother, he is a liar
You don't become born again and then at some future time start to hate your brother and become un-born again.

 

[Whatever]

God requires us to love as He loves.

Did God love the people of Sodom or Jericho? He wiped both of them out. Whole cities. Today we would call that genocide.

 

[JLB]

But it is implied. John is assuming that the person is a Christian. As we are to do to somebody who tells us he is a Christian. It is possible for a person to believe in vain.

1 Corinthians 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.

Vain means
Not yielding the desired outcome; fruitless.
Lacking substance or worth

Act 8:13 Then Simon himself also believed; and when he was baptized he continued with Philip, and was amazed, seeing the miracles and signs which were done
then later Peter says to him
Act 8:21 You have neither part nor portion in this matter, for your heart is not right in the sight of God.

So, just claiming to believe is not enough.

1 John_2:4 He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John_4:20 If someone says, "I love God," and hates his brother, he is a liar

Again, you are making a category mistake.
You are mistaking John calling somebody a brother with that person being born again.
John calls him a brother out of charity. That person claims to be a brother, so John calls him that.
We can take the words of 1 John 4:20 and just change a few words and get the same meaning.

1 John_4:20 If someone says, "I love God," and hates his brother, he is a liar
If someone claims to be a brother and hates his brother, he is a liar
If someone claims to be a Christian and hates his brother, he is a liar
You don't become born again and then at some future time start to hate your brother and become un-born again.

The key word in John 3:15 that confirms John is referring to two brothers in Christ is the word abiding; remaining, continuing.

Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. 1 John 3:15

How can something remain in someone that was never in them in the first place.

Can you remain in a house you were never in?

 

[JLB]

Did God love the people of Sodom or Jericho? He wiped both of them out. Whole cities. Today we would call that genocide.

What about the people who are cast into the depths of hell?

Does God hate them?

 

[Whatever]

How can something remain in someone that was never in them in the first place.

John uses the same word in his gospel.

John 5:38 But you do not have His word abiding in you, because whom He sent, Him you do not believe.

These people do not believe. They could not be considered brothers or Christians. So His Word could never have been in them in the first place.

Jesus talking to the same people 4 verses later:
John 5:42 But I know you, that you do not have the love of God in you.

 

[JLB]

John 5:38 But you do not have His word abiding in you, because whom He sent, Him you do not believe.

abide = remain or continue.

That's why Jesus said if you continue in my word you are my disciples indeed.

That doesn't mean a person can not start out being a disciple then turn away from continuing.

Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 1:9

A person must remain or continue in His teaching, rather than transgress or go beyond His teaching and begin to believe and teach heresy; the doctrines of man. Teaching other doctrines can lead others astray, thus leading them away from Christ.

Very serious.

 

[brightfame52]

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16

• For God so loved the world

God loves the world.


Whoever believes in God’s Son has everlasting life.

Whoever does not believe in God’s Son does not have everlasting life.


He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him. John 3:36

God Loves the believers, them believing in the world, so if one never becomes a believer in Jesus, not that false jesus you promote, but the Jesus who has saved His people from their sins, then God didnt love them. John 3:16 is about them believing no one else !

 

[JLB]

God Loves the believers,

My bible says God so loved the world.

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16


Could you post John 3:16 from your bible and let's compare.



JLB

 

[brightfame52]

My bible says God so loved the world.

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16


Could you post John 3:16 from your bible and let's compare.



JLB

John 3:16 is about them believing, thats who God so loved. If one doesnt become a believer in Jesus, God didnt love them

 

[Bruce.Leiter]

There is a difference between universal love for all humans and special love for believers.

 

[Whatever]

That doesn't mean a person can not start out being a disciple then turn away from continuing.

Yes, Calvinists agree. A person can start out and not continue. He can be considered a disciple (a learner or pupil), even a Christian (follower), but if the person is not elect, he will fall away at some time.

1 John 5:4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. . . .

If the "disciple" or "Christian" is not born of God, then the world, the flesh or the Devil will overcome him.

 

[Whatever]

Could you post John 3:16 from your bible and let's compare.

If you are focusing on the one word "world" then every one uses that word.

But most people focus on the word "whosoever" and think it means "anybody whosoever who by an act of their libertarian free will."

For God so loved the world so that anybody whosoever who by an act of their libertarian free will believes, shall not perish but have eternal life.
God's purpose was to give every libertarian free will person a chance to save themselves by obeying one simple commandment - believe.

Christian Standard Bible
16 For God loved the world in this way: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.

GOD’S WORD Translation
16 God loved the world this way: He gave his only Son so that everyone who believes in him will not die but will have eternal life.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
16 “For God loved the world in this way: He gave His One and Only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life.

International Standard Version
16 “For this is how God loved the world: He gave his uniquely existing Son so that everyone who believes in him would not be lost but have eternal life.

Lexham English Bible
16 For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life.

John 6:64 But there are some of you who do not believe." For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him.

God sent His Son so that everyone who believes shall be saved, and Jesus knew from the begging who would not believe. I assume that if Jesus knew, the Father did too. So did God send His Son for all those He knew from the beginning would not believe?

Do you want to deny God's omniscience and foreknowledge?

 

[electedbyHim]

Everyone who hates his brother…

his brother refers to two brothers in Christ.

The text does not say that.

If the person (everyone) in the text hates his brother, that person (everyone) is not really saved.

 

[brightfame52]

The effect of God's Love !

1 Jn 4:19

We love him, because he first loved us.

God does not Love all men without exception because all men without exception do not Love God and Christ ! A evidence of God's Love for a person, is that the one being Loved by Him shall be caused to Love God in Return, and so we have the words of our Text "We love him, because or since he first loved us."

Also that is why Jesus said this to unregenerate jews Jn 8:42

Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

And that goes for anyone, If God Loves you, He is your and you would Love God, and His Christ, there are no exceptions.

Jn 16:27

27For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.

Again, an evidence that men have been Loved by the Father, because they Love Christ and believe in His Mission from their Father !

Ones Love to God and His Christ is the Fruit of God Loving them !

All who do not Love Christ, let them be accursed ! For God does not Love them 1 Cor 16:21-22

21The salutation of me Paul with mine own hand.

22If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.

Paul would dare not say that if He believed these men were Loved by God5

 

[JLB]

Yes, Calvinists agree. A person can start out and not continue. He can be considered a disciple (a learner or pupil), even a Christian (follower), but if the person is not elect, he will fall away at some time.

1 John 5:4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. . . .

If the "disciple" or "Christian" is not born of God, then the world, the flesh or the Devil will overcome him.

Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him. By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith. Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?
1 John 5:1-4

• Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God

No where in the context or anywhere in 1 John 5 is the word elect mentioned.

Elect refers to Jews.

• Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?

 

[JLB]

If you are focusing on the one word "world" then every one uses that word.

I’m not focusing on anything but what the scripture so plainly says.

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16

God so loved the world.

Do you believe God loves the world?


For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
John 3:17

The reason God sent His Son into the world is that the world through Him might be saved.


Do you believe God wants the world to be saved?

 

[JLB]

The text does not say that.

If the person (everyone) in the text hates his brother, that person (everyone) is not really saved.

Yes the text certainly does say “his brother”.

Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. 1 John 3:15

When we hate we are not walking in the light but in darkness.


He who says he is in the light, and hates his brother, is in darkness until now. He who loves his brother abides in the light, and there is no cause for stumbling in him. But he who hates his brother is in darkness and walks in darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes. 1 John 2:9-11

• He who loves his brother abides in the light
• But he who hates his brother is in darkness

Love = light

Hate = darkness


This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all.
1 John 1:5


God is love… in Him is no darkness.

He who does not love does not know God, for God is love.
1 John 4:8