Does God LOVE everybody

[hawkman]

Many verse show the Lord's hatred for the unregenerate, I understand that.

Why would God have a reason to hate anyone . He is the one that created us and knows each of us and knows us better than we even know ourselves . He understands us completely . Why would He hate us when we do exactly what we are capable of doing , good or bad . He loved us and brought us into the world .

4Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

5Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

And now, saith the LORD that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the LORD, and my God shall be my strength.

 

[Fastfredy0]

Re: Your question "Who did Jesus hate"

Problem is wrath and hate don't appear to be synonyms , unless you have something to offer .

Hmmm .... let's see ...
First: I grant that "wrath" and "hate" are not synonyms though they are not completely unrelated.

But, as I said, "wrath" and "hate" and "anger" are anthropomorphic. In the sense that we use those 3 words they are not applicable to God and thus anthropomorphic, just like when the bible says God relented we know God didn't really "change His mind". Granted, easy for me to say but I offer the following to show God is not motivated to "hate" or have "wrath" as we tend to use the terms: Job 35:7 “If you are righteous, what do you give God, Or what does He receive from your hand? 8 “Your wickedness affects only a man such as you, And your righteousness affects only a son of man [but it cannot affect God, who is sovereign]”.
But, if you don't agree and want to insist that God's hate means He "feels intense or passionate dislike for someone" then, though I don't agree as I think the terms are anthropomorphic, we can assume for the sake of argument the "hate" in the bible means "to feel intense or passionate dislike for someone".
There's a lot of verses in the Bible saying God "hates" certain people and since Jesus is God we now He "hates" them also. Consider the following verses:

• Deuteronomy 18:12 For everyone who does these things is utterly repulsive to the Lord;
• Deuteronomy 25:16 For everyone who does such things, everyone who acts unjustly [without personal integrity] is utterly repulsive to the Lord your God.
• Psalm 5:5 The boastful shall not stand before your eyes; you hate all evildoers.
• Daniel 12:2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
• Habakkuk 1:13 “Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look on iniquity:”
• Hebrews 1:9 “You have loved righteousness [integrity, virtue, uprightness in purpose] and have hated lawlessness [injustice, sin].
• Hebrews 12:29 God is [indeed] a consuming fire.
• Romans 9 Jacob I loved but Esau I hated
• Leviticus 20:23; Psalm 2:4-9; Psalm 11:4-5,6; Psalm 11:5

I could probably list some more "God hates some people" but that should be sufficient. And whoever God the Father hates, so does God the Son for that are of the same essence.

So, getting back to the threads question: Does God LOVE everybody
Since agape love means favor I would say that God loves everyone to some extent as "for he maketh his sun to arise on the evil and the good, and sendeth rain on the just and unjust" but looking at the big picture, God sends most people to hell which is not love/favor but "hate/wrath/anger/rage".

 

[Fastfredy0]

He loved us and brought us into the world .

He brought most of mankind into the world knowing that they would spend 99.9999999% of their lives in hell/torture/misery. If that is love you will have to give a definition of "love" that fits the ominous outcome.
In the vernacular, with friends like that who needs enemies.

 

[hawkman]

You are correct of the title, but God does not love everyone.

So, getting back to the threads question: Does God LOVE everybody

Yes God Does love everyone .

Does God love everyone or just Christians? | GotQuestions.org

Does God love everyone or just Christians? Does God love me? Does He love Christians more?

www.gotquestions.org

 

[tdidymas]

So I’m right, you haven’t defined grace. You just quoted some scriptures that have the word grace in it.

No, you're wrong. The definition was in bold type so you could pick it out clearly, but it is obvious that you can't do such a simple thing.

Grace is the God given ability (unmerited) to do what we can not do on our own.

Ok, so grace includes this also, but it's not the definition. The apostle Paul defined it in Eph. 2:5. Grace is an action that God did, and is also actions that God does in us, per Phil 2:13 and other scriptures like that.

Grace is the Holy Spirit; the Spirit of grace.

The Holy Spirit is much more than grace, just as God is much more than love. I quote from John: "The Spirit is the truth." This doesn't mean that the Spirit is only the truth, since elsewhere He is called "the Spirit of truth." And he also wrote "God is love." This does not mean that God is only love. He is much more than that. So if you define grace as the Holy Spirit, then you are showing ignorance.

Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? Hebrews 10:28-29


Like truth, grace is both something as well as Someone.

You are personifying grace, which is never done in scripture. "The Spirit of grace" is the Spirit, it's not "Grace" personified. If you think grace = the Holy Spirit, then why aren't you capitalizing it - Grace? I think you are grasping at straws. I don't really believe that you firmly believe what you're saying. I think you're just arguing because you're trying to CYA.

Without the Holy Spirit we can not accomplish God’s will they way Jesus or the people God used in the Bible.


Take Noah for instance.


By faith Noah, being divinely warned of things not yet seen, moved with godly fear, prepared an ark for the saving of his household, by which he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith. Hebrews 11:7

When God spoke to Noah, warning him of the flood, and telling him to build the ark, Noah received faith as well as grace to accomplish building the ark;

God imparts faith and grace to us when He speaks to us.


Faith is the substance of the thing He wants us to accomplish and grace is the power and ability to accomplish the thing He wants to accomplish through us.

I agree with this part. I just think you repeat this so often because you're avoiding answering my question which gets to the heart of the matter. Since grace is unmerited, therefore God does not love everyone equally.

 

[electedbyHim]

Why would God have a reason to hate anyone . He is the one that created us and knows each of us and knows us better than we even know ourselves . He understands us completely . Why would He hate us when we do exactly what we are capable of doing , good or bad . He loved us and brought us into the world .

4Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

5Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

And now, saith the LORD that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the LORD, and my God shall be my strength.

I understand what you are saying.

The verses you provided are about Jesus the servant.

Why would God have a reason to hate anyone

He does not hate His own.

Why would He hate us when we do exactly what we are capable of doing , good or bad .

God hates what is contrary to His nature, He hates sin, wickedness and evil.

Does that not include the unregenerate who practice such things?

Pride: Proverbs 6:17, 16:18, Daniel 4:37, Jeremiah 50:31.
Lying: Proverbs 6:16-19, Exodus 20:13.
Hands that shed innocent blood: Exodus 20:13, Proverbs 6:16-19.
Wicked plans: Proverbs 6:16-19.
Feet that run to evil: Proverbs 6:16-19.
False witnesses: Proverbs 6:16-19.
Those who sow discord: Proverbs 6:16-19, Ephesians 4:31.
Esau: In Malachi 1:2-3
The wicked: Hosea 9:15, Zechariah 8:17.
Idolatry Deuteronomy 12:31; 16:22.
Child sacrifice, sexual perversion Leviticus 20:1–23.

As I have said before, our fallible mind cannot truly understand His love and hate.

It is in His written word and He wanted us to know about it, I cannot deny this fact.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[hawkman]

I understand what you are saying.

He does not hate His own.

Are there people in the world that are not a creation of God ?

As I have said before, our fallible mind cannot truly understand His love and hate.

Speaking of Truth ....​

John 16:13 Context​

10Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; 11Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. 12I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. 13Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 15All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 16A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.

Grace and peace to you.

You too brother , have a great day !

 

[Whatever]

Interesting point.

https://www.garynorth.com/freebooks/docs/pdf/before_jerusalem_fell.pdf

It is about Revelation written before AD70, but I think they say all of the NT was written by then.
It is 418 pages. You can probably still get the hard back by Kenneth Gentry or get it on a Kindle.

 

[JLB]

Re: Your question "Who did Jesus hate"

Hmmm .... let's see ...
First: I grant that "wrath" and "hate" are not synonyms though they are not completely unrelated.

But, as I said, "wrath" and "hate" and "anger" are anthropomorphic. In the sense that we use those 3 words they are not applicable to God and thus anthropomorphic, just like when the bible says God relented we know God didn't really "change His mind". Granted, easy for me to say but I offer the following to show God is not motivated to "hate" or have "wrath" as we tend to use the terms: Job 35:7 “If you are righteous, what do you give God, Or what does He receive from your hand? 8 “Your wickedness affects only a man such as you, And your righteousness affects only a son of man [but it cannot affect God, who is sovereign]”.
But, if you don't agree and want to insist that God's hate means He "feels intense or passionate dislike for someone" then, though I don't agree as I think the terms are anthropomorphic, we can assume for the sake of argument the "hate" in the bible means "to feel intense or passionate dislike for someone".
There's a lot of verses in the Bible saying God "hates" certain people and since Jesus is God we now He "hates" them also. Consider the following verses:

• Deuteronomy 18:12 For everyone who does these things is utterly repulsive to the Lord;
• Deuteronomy 25:16 For everyone who does such things, everyone who acts unjustly [without personal integrity] is utterly repulsive to the Lord your God.
• Psalm 5:5 The boastful shall not stand before your eyes; you hate all evildoers.
• Daniel 12:2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
• Habakkuk 1:13 “Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look on iniquity:”
• Hebrews 1:9 “You have loved righteousness [integrity, virtue, uprightness in purpose] and have hated lawlessness [injustice, sin].
• Hebrews 12:29 God is [indeed] a consuming fire.
• Romans 9 Jacob I loved but Esau I hated
• Leviticus 20:23; Psalm 2:4-9; Psalm 11:4-5,6; Psalm 11:5

I could probably list some more "God hates some people" but that should be sufficient. And whoever God the Father hates, so does God the Son for that are of the same essence.

So, getting back to the threads question: Does God LOVE everybody
Since agape love means favor I would say that God loves everyone to some extent as "for he maketh his sun to arise on the evil and the good, and sendeth rain on the just and unjust" but looking at the big picture, God sends most people to hell which is not love/favor but "hate/wrath/anger/rage".

Have you ever been angry with your child?

Your wife?


Do you hate them?

 

[Whatever]

Are there people in the world that are not a creation of God ?

I've been wondering about these passages:

Mat 13:37 He answered and said to them: "He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man.
Mat 13:38 The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one.
Mat 13:39 The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels.

You have the world and two people groups. Only the wheat (good seed) is sown by the Son of Man.
The tares (notice they are never called seed or seeds) were sown by the Devil.

I seems to make it sound like God had nothing to do with the tares coming about.

 

[JLB]

Ok, so grace includes this also, but it's not the definition. The apostle Paul defined it in Eph. 2:5. Grace is an action that God did, and is also actions that God does in us, per Phil 2:13 and other scriptures like that.

Grace is a noun.

Action is a verb.


Grace is something as well as Someone.


Grace is the Holy Spirit; the Spirit of grace.

 

[hawkman]

I've been wondering about these passages:

Mat 13:37 He answered and said to them: "He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man.
Mat 13:38 The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one.
Mat 13:39 The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels.

You have the world and two people groups. Only the wheat (good seed) is sown by the Son of Man.
The tares (notice they are never called seed or seeds) were sown by the Devil.

I seems to make it sound like God had nothing to do with the tares coming about.

The tares are not called seed but can you grow a tare without a seed ? What was the devil sowing ?

The tares (notice they are never called seed or seeds) were sown by the Devil.

 

[hawkman]

I offer the following to show God is not motivated to "hate" or have "wrath" as we tend to use the terms:

But, if you don't agree and want to insist that God's hate means He "feels intense or passionate dislike for someone" then, though I don't agree as I think the terms are anthropomorphic,

But you say this below .

but looking at the big picture, God sends most people to hell which is not love/favor but "hate/wrath/anger/rage".

I don't think you have made a decision yet . Maybe you could start a poll we could vote in .

 

[Fastfredy0]

He brought most of mankind into the world knowing that they would spend 99.9999999% of their lives in hell/torture/misery. If that is love you will have to give a definition of "love" that fits the ominous outcome.
In the vernacular, with friends like that who needs enemies.

hawkman
You didn't answer my questions, though I answered yours, in regard to the thread theme which is "Does God LOVE everybody?"

Question 1) Define "love"
Question 2) How does your definition of "love" in regard to "Does God LOVE everybody" correlate to the fact that God brought most of mankind
into the world knowing that they would spend 99.9999999% of their lives in hell/torture/misery?

Aside: It's not as if God couldn't have all those that He knew would go to hell for unbelief be saved for He
could have had them die before reaching the "age of accountability" and thus saved them. This would be
evidence that He loved (favored) them. Granted, I assume you believe in the doctrine of the
"age of accountability". If you don't you still have a different problem explaining the premise that
"God LOVES everybody" for now you have babies going to hell which also contradicts the premise
the "God love everyone".

 

[JLB]

God LOVES everybody" for now you have babies going to hell which also contradicts the premise
the "God love everyone".

Babies going to hell?

Aren’t children considered innocent; not knowing good from evil?

Moreover your little ones and your children, who you say will be victims, who today have no knowledge of good and evil, they shall go in there; to them I will give it, and they shall possess it.
Deuteronomy 1:39


Jesus actually told us …

Assuredly, I say to you, unless you are converted and become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 18:3


For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 8:38-39

• For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth,

Those who have died and are in the depths of hell, can not be separated from the love of God.

 

[hawkman]

Questions often need definitions. Love is agape in Greek and means: "The essence of agape love is goodwill, benevolence, and willful delight in the object of love." https://www.gotquestions.org/agape-love.html

GotQuestions ! Cool !

Now we have a clear definition we can ask: Does God have "goodwill, benevolence, and willful delight" for all human beings without exception?

Got Questions said , God Loves everyone ! Ain't that something ! I agree with Got Questions on that . You may not .

Does God love everyone or just Christians? | GotQuestions.org

Does God love everyone or just Christians? Does God love me? Does He love Christians more?

www.gotquestions.org

You didn't answer my questions, though I answered yours, in regard to the thread theme which is "Does God LOVE everybody?"

Sorry for my oversight but we have one taken care of now .

 

[hawkman]

Question 1) Define "love"

​

Our definition of love is found in the bible .​

The bible tells us . John 3:16 .​

John 15:13​

“Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends

19We love him, because he first loved us

<br>5They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. 6We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. 7Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. 8He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. 9In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. 10Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. 11Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.

That is a start anyway .

Question 2) How does your definition of "love" in regard to "Does God LOVE everybody" correlate to the fact that God brought most of mankind
into the world knowing that they would spend 99.9999999% of their lives in hell/torture/misery?

Is there some mystery for us as to what God does or doesn't do , you better believe it ! Our friend had a pithy comment below to read .

As I have said before, our fallible mind cannot truly understand His love and hate.

Thanks , electedbyHim .

Aside: It's not as if God couldn't have all those that He knew would go to hell for unbelief be saved for He
could have had them die before reaching the "age of accountability" and thus saved them. This would be
evidence that He loved (favored) them. Granted, I assume you believe in the doctrine of the
"age of accountability". If you don't you still have a different problem explaining the premise that
"God LOVES everybody" for now you have babies going to hell which also contradicts the premise
the "God love everyone".

Best not to assume , you know what that does .

 

[Whatever]

“Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends

So, who does Jesus Himself tell us who He lays His life down for?

John 10:11 "I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep.
John 10:15 As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep.

What about the Goats?

Mat 25:31 "When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left.
Mat 25:34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, 'Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world
Kinda sounds like predestination!
Mat 25:41 "Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels

 

[tdidymas]

Grace is a noun.

Action is a verb.


Grace is something as well as Someone.


Grace is the Holy Spirit; the Spirit of grace.

Saved by grace.. it's an action by God.
Since it appears all you want to do is argue, I'm done with you.

 

[Fastfredy0]

Got Questions said , God Loves everyone ! Ain't that something ! I agree with Got Questions on that . You may not .

Maybe if you read the Gotquestions post more intently you will see that it is a qualified love for everyone. Quote: There is a sense in which God loves everyone in the whole world. I mentioned a qualified love for everyone in a previous post. Example: I love apples and love my dad but the love is not the same for both. In the same way God loves everyone to a degree in that he the rain falls on the evil and good people of the world but those He loves greatly He causes to come to faith.
John 1:12 But to as many as did receive and welcome Him, He gave the authority (power, privilege, right) to become the children of God, that is, to those who believe in (adhere to, trust in, and rely on) His name— 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh [the flesh is carnal and flesh always lusteth against the Spirit], nor of the will of man, but of GOD. Martin Luther: they become the sons of God, neither by the birth of the flesh, nor by a devoted observance of the law, nor by any devoted human effort whatever, but by a Divine birth only. Those three negative statements stress the fact that salvation is not obtainable through any racial or ethnic heritage ( blood ), personal desire ( flesh ), or man-made system ( man ). (See also Matthew 8:11–12; Luke 3:8; Galatians 3:28–29.) John MacArthur

I asked you to define love and you did not do it. Any grade school person knows that you cannot use the word you are defining in the definition.

Our definition of love is found in the bible .​

The bible tells us . John 3:16 .​

John 15:13​

“Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends

You didn't answer either of my questions directly.

I give up.