Does God love those condemned to hell?

[stovebolts]

Note for Mods:

Is there a way to lock editing of posts after a reply has been made to a post? I noticed that Hitch had edited many of his posts well after I had replied to them.

This is not fair, as any reader reading this will now have a false sense of the original discussion that took place.

 

[reba]

Stove, Copy the post to your reply.

 

[Jesusfreak97]

I was talking about this with my awesome teacher today! Ok, so God does love even those who haven't repented because he commanded us to love them. Remember "love thy neghbor as thyself"

"This is my command: love eachother" -John 15:17

He doesn't say "love thy saved or Christian neghbor" and he doesn't say "this is my command: just love certain people"

Why would he tell us to love everyone if he himself didn't love everyone? Why did Jesus go and hang around people who didn't repent if he didn't love them like tax collectors and hookers. I bet he heard them have conversations with foul language and talk about the horrible things they did during their day but he still loved them. He still went up on that cross and died for them.

As for God loving people already in hell, well I think since he is God after all his emotions work differnt than ours meaning he can feel a lot of defined emotions at once. Like when we have a bunch of differnt emotions running around inside us it's very confusing...well maybe with God it's the same way only it's not confusing.

He could be extremly happy about someone coming to faith on one side of the world but at the same time be really sad about a murder on the other side of the world. So maybe he's really happy about the people who get to go to heaven but at the same time his heart breaks for those in hell. But honestly that is just my guess. Who am I to know the mind of God. That is just the best guess my little human mind can come up with. Hey if I'm wrong I'm sure God will be happy to striaten it out when we get to heaven.

 

[Christ_empowered]

I've always heard predestination explained like this. Before God formed the world, some people were selected for redemption. Others, of course, were to be left to their own devices and would end up in Hell.

Now, when the time of judgment comes, God *does* judge by one's acts and (dis)belief. Those who are part of The Elect are forgiven through faith and then rewarded accorded to their acts in Christ's name. 1 Cor 3:13: "...his work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man's work."

Those not chosen for salvation shall be weighed and found wanting. Left to their own devices as "slaves of Sin," their own sinful acts and lack of faith will condemn them. For The Elect, I've always heard it said that the judgment is largely a question of what one has done with what God chose to give you.

We all will face a fiery judgment. The sins of those not selected for salvation will be their undoing. The faith of The Elect will lead to a different sort of judgment, a judgment to decide not one's eternal fate so much as one's eternal rewards based on the quality of the believer's life.

 

[Hitch]

Note for Mods:

Is there a way to lock editing of posts after a reply has been made to a post? I noticed that Hitch had edited many of his posts well after I had replied to them.

This is not fair, as any reader reading this will now have a false sense of the original discussion that took place.

LOL Will somebody get Stove a towell?

btw Stove, this smear will fail just like your 'serpent seed' bit did.

 

[Hitch]

I was talking about this with my awesome teacher today! Ok, so God does love even those who haven't repented because he commanded us to love them. Remember "love thy neghbor as thyself"

"This is my command: love eachother" -John 15:17

He doesn't say "love thy saved or Christian neghbor" and he doesn't say "this is my command: just love certain people"

Why would he tell us to love everyone if he himself didn't love everyone? Why did Jesus go and hang around people who didn't repent if he didn't love them like tax collectors and hookers. I bet he heard them have conversations with foul language and talk about the horrible things they did during their day but he still loved them. He still went up on that cross and died for them.

As for God loving people already in hell, well I think since he is God after all his emotions work differnt than ours meaning he can feel a lot of defined emotions at once. Like when we have a bunch of differnt emotions running around inside us it's very confusing...well maybe with God it's the same way only it's not confusing.

He could be extremly happy about someone coming to faith on one side of the world but at the same time be really sad about a murder on the other side of the world. So maybe he's really happy about the people who get to go to heaven but at the same time his heart breaks for those in hell. But honestly that is just my guess. Who am I to know the mind of God. That is just the best guess my little human mind can come up with. Hey if I'm wrong I'm sure God will be happy to striaten it out when we get to heaven.

In the LORD put I my trust: how say ye to my soul, Flee as a bird to your mountain? <sup class="versenum" id="en-KJV-14062">2</sup>For, lo, the wicked bend their bow, they make ready their arrow upon the string, that they may privily shoot at the upright in heart.
<sup class="versenum" id="en-KJV-14063">3</sup>If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?
<sup class="versenum" id="en-KJV-14064">4</sup>The LORD is in his holy temple, the LORD's throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.
<sup class="versenum" id="en-KJV-14065">5</sup>The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.
<sup class="versenum" id="en-KJV-14066">6</sup>Upon the wicked he shall rain snares, fire and brimstone, and an horrible tempest: this shall be the portion of their cup.
<sup class="versenum" id="en-KJV-14067">7</sup>For the righteous LORD loveth righteousness; his countenance doth behold the upright.

 

[Jesusfreak97]

In the LORD put I my trust: how say ye to my soul, Flee as a bird to your mountain? <SUP id=en-KJV-14062 class=versenum>2</SUP>For, lo, the wicked bend their bow, they make ready their arrow upon the string, that they may privily shoot at the upright in heart.
<SUP id=en-KJV-14063 class=versenum>3</SUP>If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?
<SUP id=en-KJV-14064 class=versenum>4</SUP>The LORD is in his holy temple, the LORD's throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.
<SUP id=en-KJV-14065 class=versenum>5</SUP>The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.
<SUP id=en-KJV-14066 class=versenum>6</SUP>Upon the wicked he shall rain snares, fire and brimstone, and an horrible tempest: this shall be the portion of their cup.
<SUP id=en-KJV-14067 class=versenum>7</SUP>For the righteous LORD loveth righteousness; his countenance doth behold the upright.

Well if God doesn't love those who haven't repented then God created a lot of people he didn't love. God conciously made every single person on this earth and that means that as long as they are living they have the mark of the creator on them weather they have repented or not. I remember hearing it like this once "you can be saved any time any where until your heart stops" (or something like that) Every time you see a human being they are a creation of God and they were made with a purpose. God doesn't create what isn't good. And besides he is God. He can do anything. In this psalm that you posted while the men are wicked and probably did horrible things to the writer isn't this psalm more about praisng God and showing his power? Name any part in the Bible that isn't about God or that has to do with God. This is not just about the evil men, it's about God. Maybe thesse men are fictional charicters and they were made up only to emphasize that you should not be mean or that you shouldn't get in God's way because he just might do that. God can get mad and He is a wrathful God so he might pour out his wrath on you if you make him mad. But whatever he does, even if his wrath spills over he is still God, he is still perfect and he still knows better than everyone, so his judgement on who his wrath gets poured out on I trust it. and since he is God yes I do think he can get mad and still love his children at the same time. How else could he have punished Adam and Eve while at the same time make a promiuse of a savior?

"And I will put entimy between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers: he will crush your head and he will strike your heel" Genesis 3: 15

So yeah that's my rant. Basically I think God has opposite emotions at the same time.

 

[Hitch]

Well if God doesn't love those who haven't repented then God created a lot of people he didn't love. God conciously made every single person on this earth and that means that as long as they are living they have the mark of the creator on them weather they have repented or not. I remember hearing it like this once "you can be saved any time any where until your heart stops" (or something like that) Every time you see a human being they are a creation of God and they were made with a purpose. God doesn't create what isn't good. And besides he is God. He can do anything. In this psalm that you posted while the men are wicked and probably did horrible things to the writer isn't this psalm more about praisng God and showing his power? Name any part in the Bible that isn't about God or that has to do with God. This is not just about the evil men, it's about God. Maybe thesse men are fictional charicters and they were made up only to emphasize that you should not be mean or that you shouldn't get in God's way because he just might do that.

I suggest you believe and love God as he is revealed in Scripture. He doesnt need anyone to make excuses he makes no apology and he is the same yesterday today and forever.

God can get mad and He is a wrathful God so he might pour out his wrath on you if you make him mad. But whatever he does, even if his wrath spills over he is still God, he is still perfect and he still knows better than everyone, so his judgement on who his wrath gets poured out on I trust it. and since he is God yes I do think he can get mad and still love his children at the same time. How else could he have punished Adam and Eve while at the same time make a promiuse of a savior?

"And I will put entimy between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers: he will crush your head and he will strike your heel" Genesis 3: 15

So yeah that's my rant. Basically I think God has opposite emotions at the same time.

 

[Jesusfreak97]

I suggest you believe and love God as he is revealed in Scripture. He doesnt need anyone to make excuses he makes no apology and he is the same yesterday today and forever.

But I'm not making exscuses...God doesn't accidentaly make people. And why is he constantly after people to come to him when their still sinners? And why did Christ die for a bunch of people who didn't repent? I can't see *how* God doesn't love EVERYONE. He's too big not to.

 

[Hitch]

But I'm not making exscuses...God doesn't accidentaly make people. And why is he constantly after people to come to him when their still sinners? And why did Christ die for a bunch of people who didn't repent? I can't see *how* God doesn't love EVERYONE. He's too big not to.

You have my suggestion ,take it or leave it.

 

[Jesusfreak97]

I'm good but thanks though! ;)

 

[felix]

And your point is? Are you saying that if God calls Israel his son, he cannot also call Israel his wife and can his wife not have sisters? In the same way, if God calls Israel his son, can his son not have brothers?

The Parable of the Prodigal son clearly depicts Israel as the older son, and the gentiles as the younger son. Is Israel now to have no brothers?

The point is: This parable does not fit anything "rebellious" in nature but just "prodigal".

I would encourage you to pick up a very well written book by Kline R. Snodgrass. It is named: Stories With Intent: A Comprehensive Guide to the Parables of Jesus

It is very academic in nature and is as close to exhaustive as you can get in the matter.

Snodgrass clearly outlines the culture from written documents both Jewish and Greek on this very matter. If you have the desire to learn, then this book is for you and you will see that what you write above is not in line with the laws or the culture of the day. In fact, you will see by written Jewish documents that it was considered a sin. Snodgrass leaves no stone uncovered. Check it out for yourself.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/0802842410/ref=rdr_ext_tmb

The problem with these books is that, if we start reading them, it will slowly invade our minds to influence our decisions that are not Scriptural but based on non-Scriptural and cultural/Jewish documents - exactly what you are doing, by quoting this book instead of Bible to prove that "asking inheritance" is a sin.

I see no Scriptural evidence for "asking inheritance" as a sin. The tribe of Reuben asked for inheritance this side of Jordan before it was even split or acquired for all tribes. It was never viewed by scripture as a sin or anything wrong.

I suggest you should ditch all these books and rely only the Bible.