Doogie

[Mike]

So what do we make of this? I couldn't find a single story that questioned this news at all. I guess it's all good news... The happy couple is having twins. I suppose we're just supposed to celebrate these two as they announce their big arrival. Oh, Doogie...

The face of Disney in the background is the kicker.

 

[PouringRain]

I had not heard this. (I don't keep up with any celeb news.) But my mom and I were talking recently about how every single show on tv these days has a gay actor, gay couple, etc. and displays it as "normal." It seems that every time we turn on the tv someone is gay.

What is scarier is the fact that our children are growing up, being immersed in this everywhere they turn, and expected to believe it is all normal and fine.

 

[Lance_Iguana]

I had not heard this. (I don't keep up with any celeb news.) But my mom and I were talking recently about how every single show on tv these days has a gay actor, gay couple, etc. and displays it as "normal." It seems that every time we turn on the tv someone is gay.

What is scarier is the fact that our children are growing up, being immersed in this everywhere they turn, and expected to believe it is all normal and fine.

On average, 1 out of every ten people are gay. Meaning for every 100 there are 10 gay/ lesbian people. So the idea of it being normal isn't that out there. ( before someone says I'm promoting this, or reports me for it, reality check, normal means its there and happens recurring at a predicted rate 10% is accurate and replicates often) To be quite honest, according to the Bible, being a Christian isn't normal, because to fallow Christ is to be abnormal because you are rejecting sin when according to Christian cannon is abnormal because we are supposed to love sin unless you accept Jesus, then you turn from it. So being normal is subjective. Heck normal is just a simpler way of saying, " this dosen't fit my view of the world". Its that simple.

Now the whole thing about there being gay characters everywhere. I'm not seeing that. I am seeing a few. Mostly on reality shows where they are cast for it. A few on soups that are aimed at women, and maybe 1 or 2 on a sitcom. But in the overall scheme of sitcoms, cartoons, comedies, etc. We are few and far between. I can count most of the known ones on one hand. And by the way, if you think your kid is going to be gay just because of a television show, you don't remember high school very well where the different are scorned. It wasn't happy fun time for me, and its only been 3 years since I was in a high-school. The only difference now and then is that if I get beet up in a high school, I have the option of filling out a hate crime report that will probably go no where.
( not a promotion just stating the facts, saying we exist is not a promotion)

 

[Lance_Iguana]

So what do we make of this? I couldn't find a single story that questioned this news at all. I guess it's all good news... The happy couple is having twins. I suppose we're just supposed to celebrate these two as they announce their big arrival. Oh, Doogie...

The face of Disney in the background is the kicker.

Disney has been sportive of the Gay community since the 80's, Doogie being gay has been old news for years, and I'm happy they are giving otherwise Unloved children home. Especially since adoption has slowed to a halt thanks to the economy crash. Even though its was slow before the collapse.

By the way, where's the article?

 

[jasoncran]

nothing new mike.

gay actors from the 60's
goerge takei(sulu)
liberace
john wayne?
singers that were in question yet came out later
rickie martin
boy george
george micheal
elton john

off of the top of my head. yes the sba boycotss disney, disney isnt pro -family as you like to think. they also own porn.

 

[jasoncran]

shows that have (some are no longer running)regular gay characters

stargate universe
bones
raising the bar(mark paul gosselar of saved by the bell) plays a gay lawyer.
zena the warrior princess
law and order svu(one of the prosectutors is a lesbian) that particular one is no longer on

while its true that watching one type wont make you sin, it will desensitize you to that sin, which is what some want to have so that rights may be voted for. after all it can argued that tv shows do have messages.

if not then why even have or certain political statements written in the scripts.

 

[Theofilus]

On average, 1 out of every ten people are gay. Meaning for every 100 there are 10 gay/ lesbian people.

That is absolute rubbish for which there is no support, except maybe for the claims of the gay community, if you count that as reliable evidence for their numbers. I have something I believe is much more reliable.

For both heterosexuals and homosexuals, there are 3 types of recognized unions here in Iceland -

1. Religious marriages[/*:m:1o97yte5]
2. Civil marriages/unions[/*:m:1o97yte5]
3. Registered cohabitaion[/*:m:1o97yte5]

Gays and lesbians claim that they are 10-15% of the population here. But if you take all forms of unions, about 1500 heterosexual couples start some kind of relationship every year. Gays and lesbians start about 9 relationships every year. That's less than 1% of the total. If they were 10% of the total population, wouldn't you expect them to be in 10% of unions? The numbers just don't add up.

 

[Pard]

If they were 10% of the total population, wouldn't you expect them to be in 10% of unions? The numbers just don't add up.

Especially after the big fuse they make about having the right to marry.

Who is Doogie?

You know where you see gay couples ALL the time? HGTV! My mom watches that channel ALL the time, my dad and I cannot stand the gays on it. If you were to take HGTV and extrapolate it as showing the normal family you'd have 10% of the world being straight and the rest being gay...

 

[Mike]

So what do we make of this? I couldn't find a single story that questioned this news at all. I guess it's all good news... The happy couple is having twins. I suppose we're just supposed to celebrate these two as they announce their big arrival. Oh, Doogie...

The face of Disney in the background is the kicker.

Disney has been sportive of the Gay community since the 80's, Doogie being gay has been old news for years, and I'm happy they are giving otherwise Unloved children home. Especially since adoption has slowed to a halt thanks to the economy crash. Even though its was slow before the collapse.

By the way, where's the article?

Sorry... My bad. Here's a link to the article I saw:

http://omg.yahoo.com/news/from-doogie-t ... s/45640?nc

Honestly, I don't believe any faith in statistics as they a relate to percentage of gay people. No offense to you. I've heard many; some as high as 30%. I believe (with nothing to base that on, but personal experience) the number is much lower.

There are many other Prime Time shows that have a least 1 gay character. I will look into this and get back, but "Modern Family" comes to mind that wasn't listed. I'm not directing any hatred toward the two men involved. They're God's children. But this lifestyle is promoted too much (sorry Lance). The other topic about the Westboro Baptist Church shows a sick, demented group of people taking aim at homosexuals. Certainly they will pay, but I don't believe we can sit passively by as all of the media has a joyous celebration over the news that two men are adopting twins. I just don't. Yes, Disney and their affiliate ABC have been supporters of their lifestyle for decades, and it's always been sad.

What are some good, respectful, loving ways that Christians can impact this growing trend without it becoming 'hate-mongering". We need to show opposition to this, but we need to do it in a way in keeping with the Love of Jesus.

Pard, the actor on the right played Doogie in a show "Doogie Howser" in the 80's.

 

[Caroline H]

gay actors from the 60's
goerge takei(sulu)
liberace
john wayne?
singers that were in question yet came out later
rickie martin
boy george
george micheal
elton john

John Wayne??? I don't think so ....

Who is Doogie?

Are you serious?

 

[handy]

I had quoted this passage in a different thread, but I think it fits here as well:

1 Corinthians 5:9 "I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.

12What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you."

Unless Neil Patrick Harris is a member of good standing in the church, I just don't see a biblical reason to get all het up about him or any other high profile gay or lesbian. I think that Christians feel threatened by the political agenda of pushing towards gay/lesbian marriage, but considering that the Church has been regularly compromising on God's standards of marriage for many years now, it seems a bit hypocritical to fight against g/l marriage. Although, I agree that marriage should be between a man and a woman. Civil unions can provide all the legal protections that marriage grants, without redefining what marriage has been since time immemorial.

Disney, although supposedly a champion of "family" values and being closely associated with children, is not the church. I doubt if Walt himself would be happy with how things are turning out for the company he built, but its a corporation, not a church. Therefore, I don't think the Scriptures gives us the right to judge Disney, Harris or his partner, nor all the TV programs that are normalizing gay/lesbian behavior, which I fully agree is happening. About the most we as Christian individuals can do is to make choices that we have full liberty to make as to whether or not we will go to Disneyland, watch ABC or any other network or support gay/lesbian marriage. We, as both Americans and as Christians, have the right (even responsibility) to withdraw our support from things that the Bible teaches as sinful. But, we are also supposed to be reaching out to the world with love and with the gospel, not with judgmental attitudes.

 

[handy]

Who is Doogie?

Are you serious?

I think we've hit against a generation gap here.

When folks my age hear "Marilyn" we always automatically think of Marilyn Monroe of course. However, when folks under 25 hear "Marilyn" they tend to think of Marilyn Manson. Keep in mind that Doogie Howser went off air over 17 years ago.

 

[Pard]

You say Marilyn I think Monroe. But ya, the 80s were before me.

And considering John Wayne was a Christian and was married and had kids and was completely awesome... I really, really doubt he was even slightly gay.

 

[Mike]

Unless Neil Patrick Harris is a member of good standing in the church, I just don't see a biblical reason to get all het up about him or any other high profile gay or lesbian. I think that Christians feel threatened by the political agenda of pushing towards gay/lesbian marriage, but considering that the Church has been regularly compromising on God's standards of marriage for many years now, it seems a bit hypocritical to fight against g/l marriage. Although, I agree that marriage should be between a man and a woman. Civil unions can provide all the legal protections that marriage grants, without redefining what marriage has been since time immemorial.

Dora, I agree with you to a point, and my main point was not to judge them particular. It was to demonstrate the approach that the media has toward this issue. There are two issues here: a gay couple having the right to adopt and the media's endorsement of the lifestyle as if it were completely natural. Disney is the foremost entity in the media and also happens to be foremost in childrens entertainment. As a Christian father, this is of great concern to me. I'm focusing on the media's response. As Christians, we are to be in the world but not of it. Making note of the increasing legitimization of this alternative life style is protecting ourselves and our family from being desensitized to it. You rightly pointed out that many churches have fallen prey to this tactic.

 

[Theofilus]

Who is Doogie?

Even though I'm of the right generation for it (I'm 52), I had to google that, since the show wasn't shown in Iceland. From what I saw on google, and what has been said here since, I think it's Niel Patrick Harris. He plays Barney on How I Met Your Mother.

 

[Lewis]

Jason Wrote
John Wayne?

No way was the duke gay, no not the duke, not my John Wayne no way, :bigfrown

 

[Lance_Iguana]

On average, 1 out of every ten people are gay. Meaning for every 100 there are 10 gay/ lesbian people.

That is absolute rubbish for which there is no support, except maybe for the claims of the gay community, if you count that as reliable evidence for their numbers. I have something I believe is much more reliable.

No you don't, my information comes from annual surveys that have been done since the 1970s sometimes including the census. 10% has been pretty solid since then. The actual ratio is 2 - 10%. 2 being rural areas and 10 being urban. This is not shocking because most of us move to urban areas to find each other and be closer as a community. I'm planning to move to Seattle Washington as soon as I'm finished with college. 10% is also the overall average country wide. Meaning one city could have 15% and another 5% so it dose very.

For both heterosexuals and homosexuals, there are 3 types of recognized unions here in Iceland -

1. Religious marriages[/*:m:2v5gk9g9]
2. Civil marriages/unions[/*:m:2v5gk9g9]
3. Registered cohabitaion[/*:m:2v5gk9g9]

Gays and lesbians claim that they are 10-15% of the population here. But if you take all forms of unions, about 1500 heterosexual couples start some kind of relationship every year. Gays and lesbians start about 9 relationships every year.

Nope, that proven false years ago, we are actually about the same relationship wise as heterosexuals.

That's less than 1% of the total. If they were 10% of the total population, wouldn't you expect them to be in 10% of unions? The numbers just don't add up.

No I wouldn't, because not all 90% of the straight population marry or remain married. Around 48% of straight marriages end in divorce, so that automatically skews the results right there.

 

[Lance_Iguana]

If you want an actual Gay man's opinion on how to not come off as hateful to us.

*Drum roll* - Stop trying to hide us. That simple.

I'm not saying you have to agree with who we find attractive. ( this is personal anyway so its amazing that its such a big deal to people who aren't me or the person I find attractive.)

Stop trying to vote against us. I shouldn't even have to say this, because its actually illegal to vote on anyone's rights. Laws concerning our rights are Congress's job, not the public. The public votes on representatives so they can voice the view. Then the supreme court makes sure that the new regulations or laws don't violate the protections in the bill of rights. Simple.

Voting against us may not be a direct line of hate, and I'm fully aware of that. I understand why most here don't agree with me getting married in a church ( which is not what the actual marriage things is about anyway), or adoption ( even though every study open for peer review has shown that we actually are just as qualified as straight people)
But the honest truth is, that every time people vote to suppress our rights ( because we already have them, they just need to be recognized so the only option is to officially suppress) we are made to look like monsters, not people, not equal, and 2nd class citizens.

To the desensitizing thing. This is the biggest mind blowing thing I see. You are aware that the only difference between Gays and straights is who we are attracted to right? We are normal, out of the millions of things about us as people, the only difference is we like the same gender. That's it. We aren't monsters, we are people, we work with you, we pay out taxes, we share the same hobbies, we share the same taste for food, movies, music, art, etc.

What is being bombarded on Television is the stereotype. A combination/ exaggeration of many different gay traits, that are actually not Gay exclusive. Its our country's Ideas on gender roles that causes this. There is a sex columnist named Dan Savage that gets letter every day from Straight men and women convinced that their partner is gay because they have some trait associated with the stereotype. In all honesty, the portrayal of Gay men and women has actually been more negative for us then positive. The positive being that we are finally being recognized, the bad being that we are defined by the extremes of out culture and are made to look like a spectacle. Or we are forced into the plot for no apparent reason.

 

[jasoncran]

Jason Wrote
John Wayne?

No way was the duke gay, no not the duke, not my John Wayne no way, :bigfrown

lol, i will say agian, just because a man has manly attributes doenst mean he is or he's not gay.

when i was bi. there was no lisping, any hint of feminity.

 

[Oats]

If you want an actual Gay man's opinion on how to not come off as hateful to us.

*Drum roll* - Stop trying to hide us. That simple.

I'm not saying you have to agree with who we find attractive. ( this is personal anyway so its amazing that its such a big deal to people who aren't me or the person I find attractive.)

Stop trying to vote against us. I shouldn't even have to say this, because its actually illegal to vote on anyone's rights. Laws concerning our rights are Congress's job, not the public. The public votes on representatives so they can voice the view. Then the supreme court makes sure that the new regulations or laws don't violate the protections in the bill of rights. Simple.

Voting against us may not be a direct line of hate, and I'm fully aware of that. I understand why most here don't agree with me getting married in a church ( which is not what the actual marriage things is about anyway), or adoption ( even though every study open for peer review has shown that we actually are just as qualified as straight people)
But the honest truth is, that every time people vote to suppress our rights ( because we already have them, they just need to be recognized so the only option is to officially suppress) we are made to look like monsters, not people, not equal, and 2nd class citizens.

To the desensitizing thing. This is the biggest mind blowing thing I see. You are aware that the only difference between Gays and straights is who we are attracted to right? We are normal, out of the millions of things about us as people, the only difference is we like the same gender. That's it. We aren't monsters, we are people, we work with you, we pay out taxes, we share the same hobbies, we share the same taste for food, movies, music, art, etc.

What is being bombarded on Television is the stereotype. A combination/ exaggeration of many different gay traits, that are actually not Gay exclusive. Its our country's Ideas on gender roles that causes this. There is a sex columnist named Dan Savage that gets letter every day from Straight men and women convinced that their partner is gay because they have some trait associated with the stereotype. In all honesty, the portrayal of Gay men and women has actually been more negative for us then positive. The positive being that we are finally being recognized, the bad being that we are defined by the extremes of out culture and are made to look like a spectacle. Or we are forced into the plot for no apparent reason.

Maybe they think Men liking Men is unnatural and vile...

I don't agree with it...but it's not my right to stop you guys from living your lives