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[jasoncran]

others are following pard, california may do so next, when i get back in a few, i will pm you on this, lance and i have already argued these things to death. no need to repeat ourselves.

 

[Blazin Bones]

A few post have been removed from this thread. Please keep comments polite and regardless of how wrong a PoV is, remember that we are on a Christian forum.

 

[Vic C.]

Thanks Tim. By the time I got around to reading this topic, they were gone. :yes

As far as Neil Patrick Harris, I got no comment. I do not pay much attention to Pop culture like I used to many years ago. It just doesn't interest me, I don't agree with much of the Pop culture's world view and like Dora, they are not under our judgment.

I do want to comment on a couple of points:

The first, and the simplest of the options is to make a "civil union" open to straight couples as well. As I hold to be true, a marriage ought only be between two people AND God. If someone doesn't believe in God they shouldn't be getting married. Of course I cannot, nor would I want, to deny them the right to be legally bound to each other so you ought to form an alternative, aka civil union.

Yes, civil unions are already available to them.

The Biblical definition of a marriage is between male and female.

A marriage should ALSO be open to anyone, but the government ought to have no say in the matter, becase it is a Godly matter and not a human one. If a pastor or church feels that they are willing to marry a gay couple before God, than by all means let them. God 'll sort it all out.

No, marriage should not be open to anyone; marriage must be reserved for those of the opposite sex to join together in the religious ceremony of their choice.

But... any, ANY, congregation or assembly who declares themselves a Christian denomination yet chooses to defy the Biblical definition of marriage by "marrying" two of the same sex, is apostate! There's no other word for it. It is an abomination to the Lord.

pard. the problem is that any christian who works for the goverment and has the title of justice of the peace must then marry gays.no exceptions.(this includes any judge,public notary) and so on.

Jason, I'll have to look for a citation on that. I do believe this is not Federal but State decided. I do know that judges are allowed to exclude themselves from certain court cases for various reasons, so why not self-dismissal of performing same sex marriages? I just don't see this as a federal mandate.

 

[Vic C.]

then we have a problem then as in mass that law there forces christians to marry gays, and lesbians, if they cant they are fired!

According to Mass. law, they are penalized, not fired.

 

[Pard]

No, marriage should not be open to anyone; marriage must be reserved for those of the opposite sex to join together in the religious ceremony of their choice.

But... any, ANY, congregation or assembly who declares themselves a Christian denomination yet chooses to defy the Biblical definition of marriage by "marrying" two of the same sex, is apostate! There's no other word for it. It is an abomination to the Lord.

That was the point Vic. If you open marriage to everyone and then let the churches and the pastors decide who they will marry... well, uh, no gays would be getting married, unless they went to some UU church

 

[Lance_Iguana]

Straight people can get a civil union.

Not everywhere. I recall in one of the north east states an atheist couple sued the state for not allowing them a gay union.

Did you miss the part where I said straight, as in heterosexual. You can get a state authorized marriage license in any state. That is what a civil union is. A state marriage.

And I think you are the one who is ignorant in this. The first state to allow civil unions was Vermont and it was a way for gays to be coupled. Trust me, I live in CT, we are one of the battleground states for this. Your state (I think Washington) does not allow for it (or didn't) but that doesn't apply to the other 49 states. In CT the civil union was created for gays and restricted hetero couples from even getting a civil union.

I just looked it up, you can get a state marriage license in Vermont. Meaning a civil union.

 

[jasoncran]

in florida a marriage license is given by the state not the church, the pastor and one other must witness to the act of marriage(the saying of i do etc) and that has a three day waiting period after application.