Doubts about reported healings and supernatural accounts.

[jasoncran]

What are you saying here?

simple died somehow, sickness!

and also david prayed and fasted for that lovechild to live ,and God refused to heal that boy. he even told him that the boy was going to die.

if God always heals why did that happen?? it can't be that childs fault from sinning.

 

[Alabaster]

A few years ago when the whole Todd Bentley thing was at its peak. Our curch of about 600 people was strongly encouraging and sending people over to America from here (Australia) to experience the "outpouring" that was supposedly happening there.
All sorts of alarm bells rang out for me. I asked the pastor, what do we know about this Todd Bentley guy other than third party reports. The pastor was dismissive of my doubts and questions. I kept on at him over a few weeks because I was quite anxious about the whole thing. I just had a strong and continual unease. The whole counsel from some strange angel called Emma, and the violent healing methods etc. The pastors final responce to me before I left the church was " I'm the senior pastor, and if I am wrong then I am held accountable before God" He then went on to say that I was just been negative and he didnt want to talk about it further. (Thats all and well, but so was Jim jones accountable to God, but in the mean time 900 lives passed)
Well we all know the out come of that saga with Todd been intoxicated on stage and also having and unGodly relationship with another woman.

I guess my original question come out of a hurt in relation to this incident. I want to accept that Jesus uses people for a healing ministry and I do, but how hard is it to pick the real from the false. In Todds case it didnt seem hard to pick it, but what about others not so easy to pick?

In spite of the failing of Todd Bentley, I was blessed by the revival in Lakeland. I received a healing and a real infusion of faith and joy, as I was housebound with a serious depression as a result of a heartbreak at the time and followed the revival every night for a few weeks online. I received a lot of persecution from an online forum about it and was also terminated and banned as a moderator for it. I never defended Bentley, but I did defend the Lord and how He works among His people. I never lost any footing in my faith when Bentley failed, because I didn't look to the man. I looked to Jesus. I was able to cast aside questionable things he said. However, I don't recommend that anyone who has a check in his spirit should ever ignore it.

There were real healings (I was healed of an eye problem) and true manifestations of the power of God that came from that revival in spite of the one who failed God. These things come by faith. God sees the heart and the earnest seeking of a person. He is more than happy to heal and bless no matter who is ministering. There was much truth spoken and sung during that event, as there was more than one person holding the microphone.

Remember what Paul and Timothy say about the teachers with ulterior motives?

Philippians 1:17-18 NLT
Those others do not have pure motives as they preach about Christ. They preach with selfish ambition, not sincerely, intending to make my chains more painful to me. But that doesn’t matter. Whether their motives are false or genuine, the message about Christ is being preached either way, so I rejoice. And I will continue to rejoice.

 

[Alabaster]

simple died somehow, sickness!

and also david prayed and fasted for that lovechild to live ,and God refused to heal that boy. he even told him that the boy was going to die.

if God always heals why did that happen?? it can't be that childs fault from sinning.

God never refuses to heal anyone. That goes against who He is and He isn't a schizophrenic.

In David's case it is the law of sowing and reaping at work. God's judgment was to take a life. David was a murderer.

That child is healed and with God even now.

 

[Pebbles]

God never refuses to heal anyone. That goes against who He is and He isn't a schizophrenic.

In David's case it is the law of sowing and reaping at work. God's judgment was to take a life. David was a murderer.

That child is healed and with God even now.

If that was true every Christian in the world would be immortal and always free from disease wouldn't they?

 

[jasoncran]

God never refuses to heal anyone. That goes against who He is and He isn't a schizophrenic.

In David's case it is the law of sowing and reaping at work. God's judgment was to take a life. David was a murderer.

That child is healed and with God even now.

death is healing????

sure that child is in heaven. now your going to do that mental gynmastic to maintaing that obvious contradiction"?

if a christian dies from cancer his salvation is unaffected, but he wasnt healed!

david fasted for that child and he still died.

thus my point. he died.

illness are they still caused by god or satan or ourselves.

if the later then why does God violate the law of sowing and reaping?

if you overeat and have a heart attack is that not reaping?

and if God heals you from that isnt that overiding that concept?

i see it as mercy, not as a promise in that case.

come on. i am overwieght at present (according to the army) and its my fault not gods, not satan.

i am adjusting my habits, so then if i have high cholestorol is God going to heal that and I dont have to adjust my diet?

think about it.

 

[Alabaster]

death is healing????

sure that child is in heaven. now your going to do that mental gynmastic to maintaing that obvious contradiction"?

if a christian dies from cancer his salvation is unaffected, but he wasnt healed!

david fasted for that child and he still died.

thus my point. he died.

illness are they still caused by god or satan or ourselves.

if the later then why does God violate the law of sowing and reaping?

if you overeat and have a heart attack is that not reaping?

and if God heals you from that isnt that overiding that concept?

i see it as mercy, not as a promise in that case.

come on. i am overwieght at present (according to the army) and its my fault not gods, not satan.

i am adjusting my habits, so then if i have high cholestorol is God going to heal that and I dont have to adjust my diet?

think about it.

When a believer dies, he is experiencing his ultimate healing.

Think about it.

 

[jasoncran]

When a believer dies, he is experiencing his ultimate healing.

Think about it.

that's not what you claimed , did you not claim that sickness has no authoritty that we have healing promises?

if death was the healing why then james 5 verse?

death is the natural course of this body of decay we live in.

 

[Pebbles]

Okay if my last post wasn't allowed I will be less sarcastic.

If;
Death = Healed

Murder = Healer.

Would that be reasonable?

 

[Alabaster]

Okay if my last post wasn't allowed I will be less sarcastic.

If;
Death = Healed

Murder = Healer.

Would that be reasonable?

Ridiculous. :

 

[Alabaster]

that's not what you claimed , did you not claim that sickness has no authoritty that we have healing promises?

if death was the healing why then james 5 verse?

death is the natural course of this body of decay we live in.

Our healing is in Christ.

 

[jasoncran]

you did claim that the child who died was healed.

 

[Alabaster]

you did claim that the child who died was healed.

We do die, don't we? When a believer dies, he is experiencing his ultimate healing. That is extended to infants.

 

[jasoncran]

Our healing is in Christ.

ok lets cut this short. if you want to disagree then that's ok. but dont say one thing and continue to argue when you changed the meaning of healing.

why would the lord say that in james and this?

by his stripes we are healed.

no then the non healing promises types see that is the sins being delivered.

the cross did that. not the stripes that is for the healing of those that the lord chooses.

also in james says if any man is sick bring him before the elders and they shall pray the prayer of faith over him and if he has sinned he will be forgiven and he will be healed.

thus it can be the old man as that seperates sin from sickness.

i dont aprreciate argmuments for the sake of argument.

its ok to disagree.

 

[jasoncran]

We do die, don't we? When a believer dies, he is experiencing his ultimate healing. That is extended to infants.

thats a seed being planted in the earth.

as a pre-tribber you surely see that when paul talks about that which is mortal must put on immortatily.

 

[Alabaster]

ok lets cut this short. if you want to disagree then that's ok. but dont say one thing and continue to argue when you changed the meaning of healing.

Your accusation is funny.

why would the lord say that in james and this?

by his stripes we are healed.

Because it is true? ;)

no then the non healing promises types see that is the sins being delivered.

the cross did that. not the stripes that is for the healing of those that the lord chooses.

I can't make head nor tail of that. :

also in james says if any man is sick bring him before the elders and they shall pray the prayer of faith over him and if he has sinned he will be forgiven and he will be healed.

Amen!

thus it can be the old man as that seperates sin from sickness.

i dont aprreciate argmuments for the sake of argument.

its ok to disagree.

I don't understand what you are arguing about.

 

[Alabaster]

thats a seed being planted in the earth.

as a pre-tribber you surely see that when paul talks about that which is mortal must put on immortatily.

Of course I do...so? When one dies as a believer, we go to God.

 

[jasoncran]

God never chooses not to heal people. He is our healer who says He heals all our diseases.

Psalm 103:3 NLT
He forgives all my sins
and heals all my diseases.


ok then dont push it. go back and read what verse you posted and in fact early in this thread you claimed this and this is a quote.

sin doesnt equal disease. otherwise the psalmist hasnt a clue.

 

[Alabaster]

God never chooses not to heal people. He is our healer who says He heals all our diseases.

Psalm 103:3 NLT
He forgives all my sins
and heals all my diseases.


ok then dont push it. go back and read what verse you posted and in fact early in this thread you claimed this and this is a quote.

sin doesnt equal disease. otherwise the psalmist hasnt a clue.

What am I supposed to be pushing? That verse says it all. Maybe you need to reread this thread?

 

[Chris]

I guess if you have doubts then you will never receive yourself or do it to another person. I believed and was healed of hydrokephilis in a the night before surgery to have a shunt inserted into my head.I watched 2 amazed and relieved brain surgeons cancel an operation the next morning. i believed I was prayed over anointed and healed. praise god and to this day i can attest to gods healing power. It was by no means a trivial healing we are talking bout a painful operation and a shunt in my body and skull.

 

[Alabaster]

I guess if you have doubts then you will never receive yourself or do it to another person. I believed and was healed of hydrokephilis in a the night before surgery to have a shunt inserted into my head.I watched 2 amazed and relieved brain surgeons cancel an operation the next morning. i believed I was prayed over anointed and healed. praise god and to this day i can attest to gods healing power. It was by no means a trivial healing we are talking bout a painful operation and a shunt in my body and skull.

I praise God for His marvelous works! God bless you!