easy believism

[Rajesh Sahu]

Jesus never advocated easy beleivism doctrine. He was HARD on obedience like Father God who EXPELLED Adam n Eve for ONE act of disobedience--- and CURSED all of humanity for that one mistake. /\ Brothers and sisters if you seek salvation, its explained in ONE LINE ---- DO THE WILL of God versus your own( APART from believing in Christ-- that is very important ( believing)) . Nothing has changed since the fall of man. its the SAME expectation ---- OBEY. Not just believe. Christ's grace and righteousness( through His death on the cross) is only imputed to those who are not just willing to believe but also OBEY. if this is not the case ( and I am wrong) please quote me Christ's words alone.

Believing is much like a WEDDING..... which is good BUT NOW STARTS the marriage--- doing what you promised/ keeping the vows. is a mere wedding, a MARRIAGE? I would think not * that's easy believing doctrine*
Easy believism doctrine helps peo[ple to believe and go back to their sinful lifestyle. No commitment needed., no accounting/ responsibility. But friends NOTHING can be farther away from this heretical doctrine. Jesus Christ's teachings was DRAMATICALLY different from that. again i beg you to illustrate JESUS' words NOT the words of paul or other NT writers. I believe Jesus , God of the universe, does NOT need to be explained by anyone. He taught in simple parables, easy to understand . what he expected, what he wanted us to understand -- INCLUDING the doctrine of salvation. if it were so easy he wouldn't have said the following verses which caused hundred to be LOST that day ( should have just said "BELIEVE in me") . But he didn't .



I end this post with this--- let us learn to do God's will over ours. that's the expectation of the message.
Jesus' ways and teachings were HARD, DILUTED abominably by many Churches nowadays. By my understanding of the message. there is NO other way to salvation except to wl;ak in the Spirit and then leave it ( salvation) to the Lord
Again guys I request you to counter this with Lord Jesus Christs words only ... thank you very much

 

[Rajesh Sahu]

Matthew 22:14 King James Version (KJV)
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

Matthew 7:13-14
The Narrow Way
13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.14 Because[ narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

 

[chessman]

OBEY. Not just believe. Christ's grace and righteousness( through His death on the cross) is only imputed to those who are not just willing to believe but also OBEY. if this is not the case ( and I am wrong) please quote me Christ's words alone.

Truly, truly, I say to you that the one hearing My word and believing the One having sent Me has eternal life. And he does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.​

John 5:24 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=John 5:24&version=DLNT

Nothing has changed since the fall of man.

“Truly, truly, I say to you that an hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and the ones having heard will live. For just as the Father has life in Himself, so also He gave to the Son to have life in Himself.​

John 5:25-26 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=John 5:25-26&version=DLNT

That’s a change.

 

[Rajesh Sahu]

Truly, truly, I say to you that the one hearing My word and believing the One having sent Me has eternal life. And he does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.​

John 5:24 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=John 5:24&version=DLNT

“Truly, truly, I say to you that an hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and the ones having heard will live. For just as the Father has life in Himself, so also He gave to the Son to have life in Himself.​

John 5:25-26 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=John 5:25-26&version=DLNT

That’s a change.

Thank you dear chessman. You're awesome . Indeed Jesus wants us to BELIEVE, but that's not enough
Else he wouldn't have said :
John 14:21 ►

Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them."

Dear Chessman, to me it's clear that only those believers who keep Lords commands are the ones who love Him ( else they DON'T love Jesus) . Do you think I'm missing something here ?
​

 

[Rajesh Sahu]

Brother Chessman, it's Not my objective to win an argument. It's just that I believe easy believism doctrine is heretical and from the enemy who having lost EVERYTHING on the day of crucifixion, wishes for us believers to NOT obey so that we may END up where he is going ( heading) .
I also wish to add Jesus'word were opposite of believism doctrine. Unfortunately one of the reasons it's being taught rampantly because it gets lots of people to churches and they give money and ministries are supported . It's all good , BUT not at the expense of the teaching of our Lord Jesus. Who will come to the church if the pastor cautions the congregation Christianity is A VERY HARD WALK where
" many are called, but few are chosen." ( Matthew 22: :14 )

 

[chessman]

If when you were saved was your future sins covered by the blood?

Short answer, yes.

Medium answer, yes. That’s why it’s called receiving salvation, or receiving Christ. We are “in Christ” versus “in our sins” for a reason. We (those who are saved) are Christ’s! Period! We belong to Him.

But Jesus said, “Do not be forbidding him. For there is no one who will do a miracle on the basis of My name, and soon be able to speak-evil-of Me. For he who is not against us is for us. For whoever gives you a cup of water to drink in the name that you are Christ’s— truly I say to you that he will by no means lose his reward.​

Mark 9:39-41 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Mark 9:39-41&version=DLNT

There is “no means” by which to un-drink Christ’s cup.

I am not praying that You take them out of the world, but that You keep them from the evil one. They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world— set them apart in the truth. Your word is truth. Just as You sent Me forth into the world, I also sent them forth into the world. And I am setting apart Myself for them, in order that they may also be set apart in truth. “And I am not praying for these ones only, but also for the ones believing in Me through their word, that they may all be one — just as You, Father, are in Me and I am in You, that they also may be in Us— in order that the world may be believing that You sent Me forth. And I have given them the glory which You have given to Me in order that they may be one just as We are one, I in them and You in Me; in order that they may be perfected into one— in order that the world may be knowing that You sent Me forth, and loved them just as You loved Me.​

John 17:15-23 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=John 17:15-23&version=DLNT

Saved people are “set apart” from the world (though still physically in it).
Saved people have been given (already) the same glory that the Father gave the Son.

 

[brujaq]

John 10:27

“My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:”

King James Version (KJV)

 

[chessman]

Dear Chessman, to me it's clear that only those believers who keep Lords commands are the ones who love Him ( else they DON'T love Jesus) . Do you think I'm missing something here ?

Yes.

“Truly, truly, I say to you— the one believing in Me, that one also will do the works which I am doing. And he will do greater works than these, because I am going to the Father.​

John 14:12 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=John 14:12&version=DLNT

Will the person who believes in Christ also do the works which Christ is doing (keep the commandments)?

 

[ezra]

hello chessman, dirtfarmer here

I noticed the conversation between you and Ezra, I have a question for both you and Ezra: If when you were saved was your future sins covered by the blood? Scripture does state that "ALL" sin was covered, does that mean future sin was under the blood at that time?
Think about this: Where is scripture is a believer called "sinner"? If when we were saved we were translated from the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of his dear Son, are we still sinners? I didn't ask if we still commit sin, but are we still sinners? I find that believers are called saints, not a sinner still that is saved by grace.
In my study I have not found where a believer is called "sinner", but I do find where the believer is called saint. I know that Paul, according to the King James bible, state that he was "chief sinner". If you study that scripture it states that Paul was the first to understand a sinner saved by the risen savior is called "saint", and not "a sinner saved by Grace" but past tense, "was a sinner but now called saint.

you do realize this could very easy turn into a whole new level of discussion . but if it was to happen the forum police would issue a warrant and delete it . but yes it should be said we was ONCE a sinner saved by Grace. what the scripture does say if we sin we have a advocate -------that blows the mind of a legalist up lol ..so does my grammar to the grammar police lol

If when we were saved we were translated from the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of his dear Son, are we still sinners?

not according to scripture

 

[ezra]

Yes.

“Truly, truly, I say to you— the one believing in Me, that one also will do the works which I am doing. And he will do greater works than these, because I am going to the Father.​

John 14:12 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=John 14:12&version=DLNT

Will the person who believes in Christ also do the works which Christ is doing (keep the commandments)?

let me throw this in i agree we should also do the works which Christ is doing (keep the commandments.

BUTTTTT do we cross every T and dot every I every time 24/7 is there such a thing as perfect obedience..do we?

 

[ezra]

You mean to tell me that by simply confessing our sins, He forgives us and cleanses us from ALL unrighteousness?

That’s hard to believe! We must have One great Savior then huh?

You are from God, little children, and you have overcome them, because greater is the One in you than the one in the world.​

1 John 4:4 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=1 John 4:4&version=DLNT

lets not forget the added stipulations man has added

 

[ezra]

Jesus never advocated easy beleivism doctrine.

thus the reason/ conclusion the term is man made ..because it is easy to be saved who soever shall call upon the name of the Lord - - --- - - - - - fill in the blanks

 

[chessman]

let me throw this in i agree we should also do the works which Christ is doing (keep the commandments.

Yes, we should. Do you believe we truly, truly will?

Truly, truly, I say to you— the one believing in Me, that one also ________ do the works which I am doing. And he will do greater works than these, because I am going to the Father.
A. should
B. will
C. None of the above
D. Both A and B

BUTTTTT do we cross every T and dot every I every time 24/7 is there such a thing as perfect obedience..do we?

p
Of course there is such a Thing as perfect obedience. He’s in us, right now!

 

[JLB]

Easy believism doctrine helps peo[ple to believe and go back to their sinful lifestyle. No commitment needed., no accounting/ responsibility.

The popular doctrine that you are referring to comes from the teachings of Calvinism.

This teaching comes from the misunderstanding and misapplying predestination as meaning people are chosen by God for salvation while others are chosen for damnation, and there is nothing we can do to change the outcome.


PM me if you want to discuss.



Thanks JLB

 

[JLB]

Yes, we should. Do you believe we truly, truly will?

Truly, truly, I say to you— the one believing in Me, that one also ________ do the works which I am doing. And he will do greater works than these, because I am going to the Father.
A. should
B. will
C. None of the above
D. Both A and B

Notice the word is believing which denotes continual present tense believing, not a one time event.


Easy believism teaches that all one needs to do is believe once, then go back to living the way we desire, and one is still saved.


Which is why we are called to hold fast in our believing the word of salvation.

Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.
1 Corinthians 15:1-2



For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. Romans 8:14





JLB

 

[JLB]

p
Of course there is such a Thing as perfect obedience. He’s in us, right now!

Could you explain further what you mean by this?

Perfect obedience, He is in us right now.



JLB

 

[chessman]

Notice the word is believing which denotes continual present tense believing, not a one time event.

Isn’t the OP topic about present tense believers (easy believers versus Biblical believers)???

I noticed you didn’t answer the question of the post you replied to. So I will rephrase the question in accordance with the tenses of the Biblical verbs:

Truly, truly, I say to you— the one believing (presently) in Me, that one also ________ do the works which I am doing (presently). And he will do (future) greater works than these, because I am going (presently) to the Father.

A. should (future)
B. will (future)
C. None of the above
D. Both A and BYes

if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.
1 Corinthians 15:1-2

So you agree, there are those believers who have believed in vain and then there those believers who have believed in Christ?

 

[JLB]

Isn’t the OP topic about present tense believers (easy believers versus Biblical believers)???

The OP topic is easy believism.

 

[JLB]

I noticed you didn’t answer the question of the post you replied to. So I will rephrase the question in accordance with the tenses of the Biblical verbs:

Truly, truly, I say to you— the one believing (presently) in Me, that one also ________ do the works which I am doing (presently). And he will do (future) greater works than these, because I am going (presently) to the Father.

A. should (future)
B. will (future)
C. None of the above
D. Both A and BYes

Where is the question here?

There is a blank left where the word “will” is in the verse, from the Bible version you are using, which has no chapter or verse or version reference.


To complete this verse, a person can interject the word that completes this verse from the version you are using.


I don’t see that as a question.



JLB

 

[JLB]

So you agree, there are those believers who have believed in vain and then there those believers who have believed in Christ?

I agree with what Paul says here in the verse I quoted, which is if a person believes, and is saved, that person must hold fast to the word of salvation, which denotes a continuation of believeing and obeying the word of salvation, which is repent (turn to God), or otherwise their initial believeing which resulted in their salvation was done so in vain, because temporary believing will nor secure a permanent salvation.


To sum up:

Temporary Believing = Temporary Salvation

Continual Believing = Continual Salvation.

IOW, we can believe, repent and turn to God for a while, then turn back to serving Satan as Lord, in which our initial repentance and subsequent salvation was in vain.



JLB