Eating His Flesh and drinking His blood

[Cornelius]

That's the problem with reading Revelations as if it were a book off the library shelf. For one thing, it does not go in chronological order. For another, our reading of it must be based on the truth of all scripture.

That is correct.

 

[Cornelius]

You are calling the wrath of God that great noteable day of the Lord. But this is a half truth, which is still a lie, because a half truth deceives.

Zep 1:14 The great day of Jehovah is near, it is near and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of Jehovah; the mighty man crieth there bitterly.
Zep 1:15 That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,
Zep 1:16 a day of the trumpet and alarm, against the fortified cities, and against the high battlements.
Zep 1:17 And I will bring distress upon men, that they shall walk like blind men, because they have sinned against Jehovah; and their blood shall be poured out as dust, and their flesh as dung.

The sun and moon will be darkened after the tribulation (which we will go thought) and then the day of wrath starts (which we will not go through)

We go through tribulation, but not through the wrath, God is not linguistically challenged , He knows the difference between "wrath" and "tribulation". He uses every word in the Bible for its true meaning and He never mixes them up. Tribulation means tribulation and it definitely never means wrath.

 

[Mysteryman]

You are calling the wrath of God that great noteable day of the Lord. But this is a half truth, which is still a lie, because a half truth deceives.

Zep 1:14 The great day of Jehovah is near, it is near and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of Jehovah; the mighty man crieth there bitterly.
Zep 1:15 That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,
Zep 1:16 a day of the trumpet and alarm, against the fortified cities, and against the high battlements.
Zep 1:17 And I will bring distress upon men, that they shall walk like blind men, because they have sinned against Jehovah; and their blood shall be poured out as dust, and their flesh as dung.

The sun and moon will be darkened after the tribulation (which we will go thought) and then the day of wrath starts (which we will not go through)

We go through tribulation, but not through the wrath, God is not linguistically challenged , He knows the difference between "wrath" and "tribulation". He uses every word in the Bible for its true meaning and He never mixes them up. Tribulation means tribulation and it definitely never means wrath.

Hi C.

You said to my humor - "God is not linguistically challenged" ----- My conclusion > Either he is , or you are. I choose you being linguistically challenged. God is the one with a sound mind .


Wrath means anger. The tribulation is not of the adversary of God. The tribulation is of God himself !

When speaking about the tribulation of God, in the sixth seal. This is showing the wrath of God.

What you are claiming is that the church is appointed to wrath, which is the anger of God. It is God which causes the stars to fall from heaven, and the sun to become black and the moon to look like blood.

You are telling me that you want to be a part of the anger of God, which is the wrath of God. You want to prepare for the anger of God, which is ludicrous. Remember Noah , he prepared the ark. God was going to flood the earth. And only eight souls were saved. God told just one, the man Noah to build the ark.

There is no knowledge or revelation given to the church to prepare for the tribulation of God - none ! In fact the opposite is true ! God tells the church to keep their understanding and faith upon the hope. The hope is the coming of our Lord to gather up the church before the wrath of God. Just like Noah, the church , the Last Adam, is to prepare for the boat ride of their lives (figurative comment). Like Noah and his family, God saves. God saved the church from his wrath, just as he did with Noah and his family. We are saved by grace. Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.

It is my understanding from the scriptures, that those who lack the faith of the gathering, which is the hope, might not be a part of the gathering up of the saints in the first place.

Just like those of the time of Noah, they mocked him. And the same is true today. Those who do not believe in the hope, which is the gathering up of the saints, are being mocked by those who do not have the faith of the hope. The same held true with Christ hanging on the cross - they mocked him. It seems to be a pattern of those who do not believe.

The word does tell us that only a small remnant will be saved. But saved from what ? Obviously, this is not talking about salvation as a whole. It is talking about being saved from the wrath of God, which starts at the opening of the sixth seal. Which starts the tribulation period, the beginning of the wrath of God. Just like in the time of Naoh, only a remnant was saved from the floods that God himself caused. Which is a sign of his wrath. The wrath of God has been around even since God has been around (forever). But it surfaces when God gets angry. Well, God gets angry, so his wrath then also is manifested. And this happened more than once throughout the OT. Sodom and Gomorrah when God sent fire and brimestone from the heavens. So God's wrath has always been around and is evident by the actions of God when he is angry.

The tribulation period is the wrath of God, and no one should let any man or men deceive you when it comes to this truth ! The preparation of the church is to keep your eyes on the Hope.

And remember everyone, there are deceivers and false brethren, and false teachers, and false prophets that have gone out into the world to do just that - deceive ! They mock the truth and those who bring forth the truth. They deny the truth and twist scripture in order that others will be deceived.

They paint false pictures, and for the most part, feed on the fears of people. They present fear instead of hope and comfort. They promote fear, and promote unrighteousness, in that a lie is being presented as the truth. They are prideful, knowing nothing, because they are nothing. But want to present themselves as knowing everything. They mock, they twist scripture, and make false assumptions.

There is going to be tribulation during the life time of the church. But Paul speaks about this in Romans 5:3 - "And not only so, but we glory in tribulatins also : knowing that tribulation worketh patience" , and Paul shows how patience of tribulation , worketh "hope". Paul goes on to say in Romans 8:35 - "Who shall separate us from the Love of Christ ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness,or peril, or sword ?"

Verse 37 - "Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us"

Remember, tribulation occures at all times. In the OT, and the NT there was and is tribulation. But the tribulation of God, is the wrath of God. Which we see when God gets angry. This as well happened in the OT and in the NT. But the wrath of God is preserved for a specific time period. The wrath of God starts with the opening of the sixth seal, and it is the wrath of God, which is called the tribulation period. God's anger and patience is shown during the sixth seal. But the full wrath of God , that great day of his wrath (anger) is not released until the seventh seal. This is the great noteable day of the Lord. The church , the Last Adam , which is the Noah of our day and time of this age of grace. Is not going through the tribulation of God, which is his wrath !

Love IN Christ - MM

 

[Cornelius]

Speaking of Noah

We are told it will be as in the days of Noah.

Let see what Noah's "days" tell us. Let's see if the seven "days" (years) of the tribulation is there, before the wrath (flood) happened.

Gen 7:10 And it came to pass after the seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.

 

[Mysteryman]

Speaking of Noah

We are told it will be as in the days of Noah.

Let see what Noah's "days" tell us. Let's see if the seven "days" (years) of the tribulation is there, before the wrath (flood) happened.

Gen 7:10 And it came to pass after the seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.

Hi C.

If you are talking about Luke 17:26, maybe you should read the full context and read on from there. Verse 27 talks about Noah, verses 28 & 29 talks about Sodom and Gomorrah and Lot < Notice a remnant is saved. The Jesus goes on to talk about "In that day", remembering Lot's wife, not to return unto those things as she looked back and not forward.

You keep presenting things that "look back" , instead of looking for the hope , which is future. You keep presenting the doom and gloom theory and a theory of fear and doubting God.

Then when Jesus talked about those who will be taken and those who will be left behind. They asked Jesus , Where Lord ? And Jesus reply was ---- "Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together" < Right here, this shows the gathering up of the body of Christ before anything happens ! Just as Lot and his family, and Noah and his family , also likewise the family of God is gathered up before any part of the wrath of God. The opening of the sixth seal is the beginning of the wrath of God ! Christians will not be here when this happens.

Let God and His Word be true and every man a liar.

 

[Rick W]

Please address the issues and refrain from posting opinion about other members.
"I choose you being linguistically challenged."

 

[francisdesales]

It's amazing how far off topic people have gotten here...

Not really. This is just proving what happens when people eat the words of the doctrines of demons and do not eat the Word of God. Blindness sets in :

So going off topic means one is blind? Nah, I won't say that, just distracted a bit...

Have a Happy Resurrection Day.

Brother in Christ

 

[Cornelius]

Here is another seven days, that comes after six days (6000 years) on the seventh day (this is where we are now) they walked "seven times " seven years tribulation before the wrath came (wall came down)

Jos 6:14 And the second day they compassed the city once, and returned into the camp: so they did six days. (6000 years)
Jos 6:15 And it came to pass on the seventh day, that they rose early at the dawning of the day, and compassed the city after the same manner seven times: only on that day they compassed the city seven times. (seven tribulation)
Jos 6:16 And it came to pass at the seventh time, when the priests blew the trumpets, (seventh trumpet) Joshua said unto the people, Shout; for Jehovah hath given you the city.

 

[Cornelius]

It's amazing how far off topic people have gotten here...

Not really. This is just proving what happens when people eat the words of the doctrines of demons and do not eat the Word of God. Blindness sets in :

So going off topic means one is blind? Nah, I won't say that, just distracted a bit...

Have a Happy Resurrection Day.

Brother in Christ

No, I did not say that going off topic does that brother. I am saying that if we do not eat the Word as Jesus pointed out that we do, then the consequence is that we stray off the truth. That is what the feast of Unleavened Bread is all about. We are not suppose to add leaven to the Word (doctrines of man) . If we do not respect that, we will stray.

Exo 12:15 Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel.

It means: If you do not eat the Bread of Life with NO leaven, God will cut you off. That is a warning to all of us.It is also pointing to this fact being a very real part of the coming tribulation. Seven days . So we can understand that if we do not have a true and pure doctrine in the coming days, we will not survive.

It is God's Word that protects us , but only in its pure form :Gen 15:1 After these things the word of Jehovah came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward.

2Sa 22:31 As for God, his way is perfect: The word of Jehovah is tried; He is a shield unto all them that take refuge in him.

We cannot hide in something that has leaven added to it.

C

 

[Mysteryman]

Quote from Cornelius: " God is not linguistically challenged , He knows the difference between "wrath" and "tribulation". He uses every word in the Bible for its true meaning and He never mixes them up. Tribulation means tribulation and it definitely never means wrath."


To prove a point I made earlier, I brought forth this comment once again to expose something.

Revelation 2:22 - "Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation" < This verse is talking to one of the seven churches, specifically the church in Thyatira

This word tribulation is the greek word - "thlipsis" which means "affliction"

This poster said that tribulation never means wrath, and we should know ,that the word wrath means anger. The anger of God results in death .

In Revelation 2:23 we read - "And I will kill her children with death ; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts : and I will give unto every one of you according to your works"

Vengance is mine sayeth the Lord, and tribulation that the Lord sends is the wrath of God !

God does mean what he says, and says what he means ! Let no man deceive you !

 

[MMarc]

Passover meal represents also the first marriage supper of the Lamb when Jesus shared the cup of the covenant. It's like a wedding anniversary if you will.

As long as we remember this, how can we forget our first love? Happy resurrection weekend everyone...

 

[Cornelius]

Quote from Cornelius: " God is not linguistically challenged , He knows the difference between "wrath" and "tribulation". He uses every word in the Bible for its true meaning and He never mixes them up. Tribulation means tribulation and it definitely never means wrath."


To prove a point I made earlier, I brought forth this comment once again to expose something.

Revelation 2:22 - "Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation" < This verse is talking to one of the seven churches, specifically the church in Thyatira

This word tribulation is the greek word - "thlipsis" which means "affliction"

This poster said that tribulation never means wrath, and we should know ,that the word wrath means anger. The anger of God results in death .

In Revelation 2:23 we read - "And I will kill her children with death ; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts : and I will give unto every one of you according to your works"

Vengance is mine sayeth the Lord, and tribulation that the Lord sends is the wrath of God !

God does mean what he says, and says what he means ! Let no man deceive you !

Actually the wrath of God comes after the tribulation as we can see here :

Mar 13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, Act 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, And the moon into blood, Before the day of the Lord come, That great and notable day.

 

[Mysteryman]

John 16:33 - "These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation : but be of good cheer ; I have overcome the world"

There is tribulation in the world. But we are to have peace, that he has overcome the world . Our tribulation is of this world, not of God !

The tribulation of God is the wrath of God. Which can be seen from Genesis through the book of Revelation. Everywhere, we can see the wrath of God. But God has delivered us from "his wrath" = tribulation unto this world ! I Thess. 1:10 expressess this very clearly !

As Noah was saved from the wrath of God, and Lot , so is the church (the Last Adam) saved from the tribulation of God, unto this world !

Be not deceived ! The tribulation of God is not unto the Church of God ! We are gathered up before the tribulation of God !

 

[Mysteryman]

Quote from Cornelius: " God is not linguistically challenged , He knows the difference between "wrath" and "tribulation". He uses every word in the Bible for its true meaning and He never mixes them up. Tribulation means tribulation and it definitely never means wrath."


To prove a point I made earlier, I brought forth this comment once again to expose something.

Revelation 2:22 - "Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation" < This verse is talking to one of the seven churches, specifically the church in Thyatira

This word tribulation is the greek word - "thlipsis" which means "affliction"

This poster said that tribulation never means wrath, and we should know ,that the word wrath means anger. The anger of God results in death .

In Revelation 2:23 we read - "And I will kill her children with death ; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts : and I will give unto every one of you according to your works"

Vengance is mine sayeth the Lord, and tribulation that the Lord sends is the wrath of God !

God does mean what he says, and says what he means ! Let no man deceive you !

Actually the wrath of God comes after the tribulation as we can see here :

Mar 13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, Act 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, And the moon into blood, Before the day of the Lord come, That great and notable day.

Cornelius

You gave two verses of scripture here, and not one contains the word "wrath".

Private interpretation will always blind those who do don't have eyes to see and ears to hear. Or refuse because of their pride.

The tribulation of or from God, is the wrath of God !

Mark 13:24 is not talking about "after" the tribulation. It means, that after the tribulation has come -- the sun will turn dark and the moon will turn to blood. This tribulation is the tribulation from God. It is not the tribulation of this world ! The tribulation from God is his wrath !

 

[Cornelius]

I did not add anything to Mark...........but you are.

 

[Cornelius]

Mark 13:24 is not talking about "after" the tribulation. It means,.......

Mar 13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation,

Seriously, this is something that has always fascinated me on forums, how people can tell you in your face that something is not written, even when it is written in plain daylight. I mean we can all read it plainly says Mark says "after the tribulation" and yet the poster wants to change its meaning, because it does not fit his doctrine, and therefor has to add......."It means.......".''

Surely we must honor the Word when we study ?

 

[Mysteryman]

I did not add anything to Mark...........but you are.

Hi Cornelius

No Cornelius , I am not adding anything, just making it clear for your understanding.

When the stars fall from heaven and the sun turns black and the moon turns to blood. This all happens because of the tribulation of God. God is the one who causes this, agreed ?
You can not make things up as you go, just to support your man made theory ! There is the tribulation of this world, and then there is the tribulation of or from God. The tribulation from God , as I have shown clearly, is the wrath of God with death resulting.

When God flooded this earth during the time of Noah, this was the tribulation of God. When God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, and killed everyone there, this was the tribulation of God.

The thief comes not but for to kill, steal and destroy < This is the tribulation of this world !

The tribulation of God, which comes from God, is God destroying and killing. The beginning of the tribulation of God starts with stars falling from heaven and a great earth quake. Not small earth quakes that are occuring today. These are the tribulations of this world. The earth quake of God, which is the tribulation of God is a huge earth quake. Mountains and islands will literally move. Not shift, but actually move. This will become very noticable.

What you are suggesting is that the tribulation of God is something else. You have suggested previously (yesterday) that banks will fail , and electricity will not be available. All these things pertain to this world, and are not the tribulations of God ! You have painted a false picture of the tribulations of God.

You need to get off of your high horse. Everything you have presented is false ! The church has overcome the tribulations of this world. Tribulation (of this world) worketh patience, and patience hope.

Which brings us back to your own comments. We need to stop eating at the table of devils . One can not claim to be eating from the table of the Lord, while eating at the table of the devil. The Word of God declares this, Cornelius !

Your carnal mind, or someone has put a false premise into your way of thinking. In so much as, you have adopted these false premises as your own. Or you have generated them from listening to the serpent instead of our Lord. And now you go about trying to get others to follow the pernicous ways of your comments. I say again, that all you have done in these last two days , is to present fear as your motivating factor, instead of peace and comfort of the scriptures !

You promote your own agenda in doing so, and try and present yourself as something when you are not. The apostle Paul had to deal with this kind of thinking. And here is what he said to the church in Corinth. I Corinth. 3:18 & 19 - "Let no man deceive himself . If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God"

Your presentation of doom and gloom is worldly wisdom my friend. We in the church do not care if the electricity goes off, or if the banks fail. God is our sufficency , and we know that we can do all things through Christ which strengthenth us. It is the world that will suffer, not us. If we have to pray for manna from heaven, then pray, and God will hear your prayer. The prayer fits the need, and God will supply. And give to those who have needs, especially unto the house hold of faith.

The church is not appointed to the tribulation of God, which is the wrath of God. And if anyone says different, that message is coming from the table of devils ! And not from the table of the Lord !

Don't put fear into the church ! Build up the church with the promises of God.

Paul goes on to say in a postive light - I Corinth. 3:22 - Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things to come : all are yours"

What is ours ? The answer is simple - The promises of God are ours ! God is going to take care of the church, and the time of God's tribulation is not appointed unto the Church ! I Thess. 1:10

So stop worrying about the tribulations of this world ! Fear hath torment. There is no fear in love < I John 4:18 - and perfect love casteth out fear.

Your doom and gloom theory need to be silenced !

 

[Cornelius]

I did not add anything to Mark...........but you are.

Hi Cornelius

No Cornelius , I am not adding anything, just making it clear for your understanding.

I truly have a very clear understanding of this very simple sentence Mar 13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,

In other words it means : .... But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,

Or it can also mean :.... But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,

 

[Mysteryman]

Cornelius, I pointed this out to you, and you have not commented upon this. So I will show you this once again >


You said this Cornelius

Actually the wrath of God comes after the tribulation as we can see here :

Mar 13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, Act 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, And the moon into blood, Before the day of the Lord come, That great and notable day.


And my reply was this Cornelius >

Cornelius

You gave two verses of scripture here, and not one verse contains the word "wrath".

Yet, you said "wrath !

Please explain !

 

[Cornelius]

Zep 1:14 The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.
Zep 1:15 That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,

Mar 13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, Act 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, And the moon into blood, Before the day of the Lord come, That great and notable day.