Bible Study Either you believe Paul's gospel or you don't

[AVBunyan]

Re: Same ole thing

1. I just wish it were FACTUAL. Again, I repeat, what verse addresses the translative perfection of the KJV? Where might I find this fun factoid in Scripture?

2. The only thing I know of that is perfect and without error or mixture of error is God Himself.

3. As the saying goes, It's not the sword, its the SWORDSMAN.

4. "From the KJV to the NIV,
On THIS can we wholeheartedly agree."

Hi Dean -

1. So, You are assuming my belief that the KJV is without error is a man-made doctrine. You mean your belief that there is not an infallible word today is orthodox? Nobody has shown me or others yet that there are errors.

By the way - show me where scripture supports having toilets and light bulbs in your church.

2. How do you know that? What is your authority on that? For you to say such a wild statement you must be able to back it up with something written down?!?! Which written-down authority will you refer to to support your statement about God being without error?

3. How do youeven be sure as to what the SWORDSMAN is even saying?

4. Since they are read different then how do you determine which one is accurate?

Oh yea - your simple "philosophy" sounds easy but just doesn't hold water.

Have a nice day now :-D

 

[Free]

lol! It's just old, outdated English, nothing more.

Wasn't outdated until the last 50 years or so - the majority of folks up until then had no issues with it - only the "smart folks" of this century have had issues. God never has placed to much emphasis on the "wise" anyway.

I'm curious AV, if the NT was written in the common language(s) of the day, such as koine ("common") Greek, why can we not have a translation that uses the common English of our day?

I am not a "Protestant" - I am an Independent Baptist

You are then Protestant.

Anyway - What church are you referring to - the majority of the tranlators in 1611 were Anglican - I wouldn't really care if they were Martian

Now that is interesting. You claim that no one can have the truth apart from the KJV, yet you would most assuredly disagree with the translators on the very doctrine they got from their own translation. You should care; in fact, you should be Anglican to be consistent.

 

[Dean]

. How do you know that? What is your authority on that? For you to say such a wild statement you must be able to back it up with something written down?!?! Which written-down authority will you refer to to support your statement about God being without error?

AV, you're so strident! The WORD existed before it was "written down". You exemplify this YEARNING I see within Protestantism - we mock the Catholics for saying the Pope is infallible, but we recognize the tantalizing comfort that pointing to ONE INFALLIBLE THING gives us, and we are loathe to give that up and trust God. Once the Authority of the Church is repudiated, we must look for another talisman, another ultimate authority. Apres moi, le deluge!

"My Word have I written in your hearts." Scripture is important, but God existed before Scripture, and Godly men existed before Scripture as well.

You have 600 pages of Old Testament in your AV translation, and Jesus Christ our Lord summarized them with TWO COMMANDMENTS! HOW COULD HE DO THAT? Because He knew His Father, and He knew the intent of all those stories, the Law and the Prophets.

I know the Swordsman, because He lives not in temples built (or translated) by human hands, but within those whom His Son has cleansed for His habitation. And I daily humble myself knowing without a shadow of a doubt one thing - even if the Authorized Version is GOD'S PERFECT WORD, my understanding of it will never be perfect.

"For now we see as through a glass, darkly...for we have not yet the KJV."

Have a nice day, now! <--- I know pointing this out will get me into trouble, but as a brother, I must say this sign off, combined with the super-smiley, is so obviously sarcastic and condescending that it's painful, AV. If you want to tell people they don't know their hindquarters from a hole in the ground, just say that. At least it's honest.

 

[AVBunyan]

Typical

Hi Dean -

So, Dean, what is your final authority anyway?

Since you didn't care for my last parting salutation I'll leave it out.

 

[Dean]

Thank you, AV!

This is an EXCELLENT QUESTION.

People love the moniker "Sola Scriptura". It's Latin, and it is so very authoritative. But doesn't Scripture itself tell us to "submit yourselves one to another". Doesn't it talk about young men submitting to old men, about not many (but presumably SOME) being teachers in the Church, etc.

My point is only that Scripture itself says that Scripture is not the ONLY source of God's Truth. If Scripture says "Non Sola Scriptura", then Sola Scriptura becomes a Catch-22.

I believe God is the final authority. I'm sure you do, too. Now, the fun begins, eh?

And this is PRECISELY what God intends - that in this life we see through a glass darkly, and God's Truth comes to us in the most amazing variety of ways. Many, many times through scripture, but sometimes through the internet from a lovable curmudgeon like yourself! You can teach me, my children can, my non-believing co-workers can even teach me occasionally, and I must daily humble myself to the fact that the Lord of the Universe can speak to me, like he did to Paul, through a donkey!

THere is something fundamental about our faith walk that we depend on Him, always and everywhere, and we don't know if He will speak from the whirlwind, or via the still small voice. Scripture is a mighty comfort, and certainly the most consistent source of God's revelation to me, but if I were to live alone, monk-like, not IN the world OR of it, ONLY studying scripture, then I don't think I would see God's face nearly as often, and even Scripture itself would lose its vibrancy in the absence of life experience to bring it into reality.