End-Time Prophecies in Daniel

[JLB]

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I am sad it took me quite some time to respond. I had not visited this forum neither opened this thread during my silence.

Sequence of events as per Jesus words in Matt 24:15-31
1. setting up of the abomination of desolation spoken of by prophet Daniel
2. great tribulation starts
3. at end of great tribulation, celestial phenomena occurs
4. celestial phenomena is followed by the 2nd Coming

Sequence of events as per Dan 12:11, 12
1. taking away of the 'daily'
2. 1290 days after 'daily' is taken away, abomination of desolation is set up
3. blessed is he that waits until the end of 1335 days

Daniel 9:27 informs us the 'daily' is taken away in the middle of the final week of the 70 weeks.

You can trace the biblical sequence of events in the chart.

Please be reminded that the days, month and years in the end-time prophecies in Daniel are all literal, that is, the 70 weeks = 490 literal days, not years.

You wrote -

Please be reminded that the days, month and years in the end-time prophecies in Daniel are all literal, that is, the 70 weeks = 490 literal days, not years.


Sorry Brother,

I couldn't disagree with you more!

How could you think that -

... from the going forth of the command To restore and build Jerusalem Until Messiah the Prince, There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks;

is 483 Days? ????

That is unbelievable to me.

You need to go back and study Ezra! And the time frame it took!


JLB

 

[Samie]

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You wrote -

Please be reminded that the days, month and years in the end-time prophecies in Daniel are all literal, that is, the 70 weeks = 490 literal days, not years.


Sorry Brother,

I couldn't disagree with you more!

How could you think that -

... from the going forth of the command To restore and build Jerusalem Until Messiah the Prince, There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks;

is 483 Days? ????

That is unbelievable to me.

You need to go back and study Ezra! And the time frame it took!


JLB

Scriptures specify a decree about restoration of Jerusalem. Ezra tells us the intent of the Achaemenid decree issued in 457 BC by Artaxerxes Longimanus is about beautification of the temple (Ezra 7:27). Since when was restoration of Jerusalem = beautification of the temple?

You are not disagreeing with me but against what Scriptures say.

The Master Teacher had clearly delineated that the setting up of the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet will trigger a rapid succession of events starting with the great tribulation - the occurrence of which God will shorten for the sake of the elect or no one would remain alive - at the end of which unusual celestial phenomena will occur and will be capped by the 2nd Coming.

A child-like belief in the words of the Savior Himself will bring us into the inevitable conclusion that all prophecies related with the abomination of desolation will find fulfillment shortly before the 2nd Coming.

Daniel records that the setting up of the abomination of desolation will occur 1290 days after the 'daily' is taken away (Dan 12:11). The taking away of the 'daily' will occur in the middle of the final week of the 70 weeks (Dan 9:27). These two time prophecies - the 1290 days and 70 weeks, among others, being related with the abomination of desolation, will find fulfillment shortly before the 2nd Coming.

Applying the year-for-a-day principle to these end-time prophecies would lengthen the great tribulation, for instead of days it would be years. This is in direct conflict with God's shortening the days of occurrence of the great tribulation otherwise no one would remain alive.

Scriptures have spoken.

 

[Elijah674]

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Scriptures specify a decree about restoration of Jerusalem. Ezra tells us the intent of the Achaemenid decree issued in 457 BC by Artaxerxes Longimanus is about beautification of the temple (Ezra 7:27). Since when was restoration of Jerusalem = beautification of the temple?

You are not disagreeing with me but against what Scriptures say.

The Master Teacher had clearly delineated that the setting up of the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet will trigger a rapid succession of events starting with the great tribulation - the occurrence of which God will shorten for the sake of the elect or no one would remain alive - at the end of which unusual celestial phenomena will occur and will be capped by the 2nd Coming.

A child-like belief in the words of the Savior Himself will bring us into the inevitable conclusion that all prophecies related with the abomination of desolation will find fulfillment shortly before the 2nd Coming.

Daniel records that the setting up of the abomination of desolation will occur 1290 days after the 'daily' is taken away (Dan 12:11). The taking away of the 'daily' will occur in the middle of the final week of the 70 weeks (Dan 9:27). These two time prophecies - the 1290 days and 70 weeks, among others, being related with the abomination of desolation, will find fulfillment shortly before the 2nd Coming.

Applying the year-for-a-day principle to these end-time prophecies would lengthen the great tribulation, for instead of days it would be years. This is in direct conflict with God's shortening the days of occurrence of the great tribulation otherwise no one would remain alive.

Scriptures have spoken.

I am a Thus :yesSayeth The WORD beliving one also! And there is no wanting for me to get around this 'Inspired' Truth of Christ's WORD ....

Eccl. 1
[9] The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; [[[[SAY’S INSPIRATION HERE!]]]] and that which is done is that which shall be done:
and there is [[no new thing under the sun]].

(much of the REQUIRED Matt. 24 REPEAT!)

[10] Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? [[it hath been already of old time, which was before us.]]
+ Eccl. 3 (AGAIN INSPIRATION DOCUMENTS at least ‘TWICE + !!)

[14] I know that, whatsoever God doeth, (or sayeth!) it shall be for ever: [nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it], that men should fear before him.

(even note Rev. last two verses of WARNING!)

[15] That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.


And because there are so very few times that there is not a repeat, God documents that so as we can understand that there are these few times that do occur, such as the rainbow in the sky with no more world flood + Hosea 4:6, with sin never to arise the ‘second time’!

And 'if' one really BELIEVED God above, they could toss out all kinds of their false doctrines.
So yes, we see repeats all through the Bible, even down to the spiritual re/crucifixion of Christ! Heb. 6:6.

And in Gen. 41 One finds exactly the how & when God teaches Truth. It matter's not the subject for God does not change & gives His Eternal Word! Mal. 3:6 + Christ’s N.T. documentation of Heb. 13:8-9 Truth + Warning!

[32] And for that the dream was doubled unto Pharaoh twice; [[[it is because the thing is established by God, and God will shortly bring it to pass]]].

--Elijah

 

[Samie]

Someone in this forum believes that:

1. this earth had been previously created before it was created
2. there was a previous Adam & Eve before Adam & Eve of Genesis
3. there was a previous flood before Noah's flood
4. the Hebrews had previously escaped from Egypt before the Exodus
5. David had already killed Goliath before he killed him with his sling
6. John the baptist had already baptized Christ before baptizing Him in Jordan river
7. Virgin Mary already gave birth to Jesus before she gave birth to Him in Bethlehem

And this he can easily prove by using Eccl 1:9, 10 & Eccl 3:15. Whatta wisdom!!!

 

[AirDancer]

Someone in this forum believes that:

1. this earth had been previously created before it was created
2. there was a previous Adam & Eve before Adam & Eve of Genesis
3. there was a previous flood before Noah's flood
4. the Hebrews had previously escaped from Egypt before the Exodus
5. David had already killed Goliath before he killed him with his sling
6. John the baptist had already baptized Christ before baptizing Him in Jordan river
7. Virgin Mary already gave birth to Jesus before she gave birth to Him in Bethlehem

And this he can easily prove by using Eccl 1:9, 10 & Eccl 3:15. Whatta wisdom!!!

Sorry, Samie.... no one in this forum believes what you posted.

I suggest you refrain from making such statements out of respect for others as well as in agreement with the ToS.

 

[Elijah674]

Well This is what was posted by 'somebody!' They say:

Re: End-Time Prophecies in Daniel

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Someone in this forum believes that:

1. this earth had been previously created before it was created
2. there was a previous Adam & Eve before Adam & Eve of Genesis
3. there was a previous flood before Noah's flood
4. the Hebrews had previously escaped from Egypt before the Exodus
5. David had already killed Goliath before he killed him with his sling
6. John the baptist had already baptized Christ before baptizing Him in Jordan river
7. Virgin Mary already gave birth to Jesus before she gave birth to Him in Bethlehem

And this he can easily prove by using Eccl 1:9, 10 & Eccl 3:15. Whatta wisdom!!!
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--Elijah here:
And these are verses of Gods WORD that you seem to mock??

So lets go to the bottom of the page here & see if it is the Lord's WORD or 'one of the postors' who are 'g'od?

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I am a Thus Sayeth The WORD beliving one also! And there is no wanting for me to get around this 'Inspired' Truth of Christ's WORD ....


Eccl. 1

[9] The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; [[[[SAY’S INSPIRATION HERE!]]]] and that which is done is that which shall be done:

and there is [[no new thing under the sun]].


(much of the REQUIRED Matt. 24 REPEAT!)


[10] Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? [[it hath been already of old time, which was before us.]]

+ Eccl. 3 (AGAIN INSPIRATION DOCUMENTS at least ‘TWICE + !!)


[14] I know that, whatsoever God doeth, (or sayeth!) it shall be for ever: [nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it], that men should fear before him.

(even note Rev. last two verses of WARNING!)

[15] That which hath been is now; and that which is to behath already been; and God requireth that which is past.

And because there are so very few times that there is not a repeat, God documents that so as we can understand that there are these few times that do occur, such as the rainbow in the sky with no more world flood + Hosea 4:6, with sin never to arise the ‘second time’!


And 'if' one really BELIEVED God above,

they could toss out all kinds of their false doctrines.

So yes, we see repeats all through the Bible, even down to the spiritual re/crucifixion of Christ! Heb. 6:6.


And in Gen. 41 One finds exactly the how & when God teaches Truth. It matter's not the subject for God does not change & gives His Eternal Word! Mal. 3:6 + Christ’s N.T. documentation of Heb. 13:8-9 Truth + Warning!


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This one says.....


Someone in this forum believes that:

1. this earth had been previously created before it was created


NO, God documents that that was not so, or it would not be truth! And it was stated by me that there were the lesser number of times that Eccl. 3:15 would not be repeated, so He told us of these times to make it easier for us to understand. (some of us!) And also that these repeats were savational issues like 'some' ones repeating Heb. 6:6 of mocking & re/crucifying Christ afresh and putting Him to an OPEN SHAME.


And even others such as the world/flood & the rainbow, and Nah. 1:9 that 'sin will not arise a second time'. And many other non/essentials that must be in your Matt. 25 'Foolish' SLEEPING LIST??


2. there was a previous Adam & Eve before Adam & Eve of Genesis


(Titus 3:9-11 Vain & FOOLISH + more wisdom from God seen in the verse!)


3. there was a previous flood before Noah's flood

(just more wisdom from the wise posting ) So you you do not BELIEVE in the Lords INSPIRATION! Whatever??


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[Gen. 42:32] And for that the dream was doubled unto Pharaoh twice; [[[it is because the thing is established by God, and God will shortly bring it to pass]]].



--Elijah

 

[Samie]

Hi Elijah;

So you refuse to swallow a dose of your own medicine you want others to swallow. Hope you now realize the flaw in the reasoning you applied to some verses of Scriptures.

 

[reba]

Let's not be derailing the thread to make a point. Get back on topic before i use the rollenpin

 

[felix]

Scriptures specify a decree about restoration of Jerusalem. Ezra tells us the intent of the Achaemenid decree issued in 457 BC by Artaxerxes Longimanus is about beautification of the temple (Ezra 7:27). Since when was restoration of Jerusalem = beautification of the temple?

I agree on this.

Just my thoughts which I posted at a different thread (link).

(Dan 9:25) "Know therefore and understand, [That] from the going forth of the command To restore and build Jerusalem Until Messiah the Prince, [There shall be] seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; The street shall be built again, and the wall, Even in troublesome times.

The year is not 457 BC but 445 BC.

Ezra 7 (7th year of king) is about building the temple/house of God not Jerusalem as in Ezra 7:27. Command to build Jerusalem is given in Neh 2 (20th year of the king)
And they said to me, "The survivors who are left from the captivity in the province [are] there in great distress and reproach. The wall of Jerusalem [is] also broken down, and its gates [are burned] with fire." (Neh 1:3)
And it came to pass in the month of Nisan, in the twentieth year of King Artaxerxes, [when] wine [was] before him, that I took the wine and gave it to the king. Now I had never been sad in his presence before (Neh 2:1).
Then I said to them, "You see the distress that we [are] in, how Jerusalem [lies] waste, and its gates are burned with fire. Come and let us build the wall of Jerusalem, that we may no longer be a reproach." And I told them of the hand of my God which had been good upon me, and also of the king's words that he had spoken to me. So they said, "Let us rise up and build." Then they set their hands to [this] good [work.] (Neh 2:17-18)

King Artaxerxes reigned from 465 BC to 424 BC (ref: Wiki). The 20th year of King Artaxerxes is 445 BC not 457 BC.

Command went forth to build Jerusalem: Beginning of 490 year (or 70 week) prophecy in Dan 9:24-27.

7+62 weeks = 69 weeks = 483 years.

(Bible prophecy uses 360 day / year calendar not Julian)

483 prophetic/biblical years = 483 * 360 = 173880 days = 476.0575 Julian years = 476.0575 is arrived by diving 173880 days by 365.25.

445 BC + 476.0575 years = 31.0575 AD = 31 AD, (Nisan) 1st Month, 21 days.

(Exod 12:18) 'In the first [month,] on the fourteenth day of the month at evening, you shall eat unleavened bread, until the twenty-first day of the month at evening.

1st month (Nisan) and 21st day is the day when the Passover lamb will be killed. Hence, on 31 AD, (Nisan) 1st Month, 21st day, it was our Lord Jesus Christ fulfilling the very prophecy of Daniel on the cross.

The prophecy is split into 3 parts: 7 weeks + 62 weeks + 1 week.

After 62 weeks, which is, after 483 years or 7+62 weeks is given in the first part of Dan 9:26.
(Dan 9:26a) "And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;

The middle part of the verse happened in 70 AD.
(Dan 9:26b) And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it [shall be] with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined.

In Dan 9:26, the two parts clearly show that the Messiah's death and the destruction of the city and the sanctuary - although mentioned together, it shows there is a vast gap between (after the 62 week) and the last week.

The last one week:
(Dan 9:27) Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate."


This event has not yet happened. There is no one who confirmed any covenant with many for 1 week or 7 years in history. While 70 AD did bring sacrifice and offering to an end, it did not happen the way the prophecy puts it. Neither was any abominations that makes desolate did happen in 70 AD. Hence, this is a future event which is yet to happen.

 

[JLB]

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You are not disagreeing with me but against what Scriptures say.

The Master Teacher had clearly delineated that the setting up of the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet will trigger a rapid succession of events starting with the great tribulation - the occurrence of which God will shorten for the sake of the elect or no one would remain alive - at the end of which unusual celestial phenomena will occur and will be capped by the 2nd Coming.

A child-like belief in the words of the Savior Himself will bring us into the inevitable conclusion that all prophecies related with the abomination of desolation will find fulfillment shortly before the 2nd Coming.

Daniel records that the setting up of the abomination of desolation will occur 1290 days after the 'daily' is taken away (Dan 12:11). The taking away of the 'daily' will occur in the middle of the final week of the 70 weeks (Dan 9:27). These two time prophecies - the 1290 days and 70 weeks, among others, being related with the abomination of desolation, will find fulfillment shortly before the 2nd Coming.

Applying the year-for-a-day principle to these end-time prophecies would lengthen the great tribulation, for instead of days it would be years. This is in direct conflict with God's shortening the days of occurrence of the great tribulation otherwise no one would remain alive.

Scriptures have spoken.

Scriptures specify a decree about restoration of Jerusalem. Ezra tells us the intent of the Achaemenid decree issued in 457 BC by Artaxerxes Longimanus is about beautification of the temple (Ezra 7:27). Since when was restoration of Jerusalem = beautification of the temple?

Here is what scripture says -

24 Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, And He who formed you from the womb: "I am the Lord, who makes all things, Who stretches out the heavens all alone, Who spreads abroad the earth by Myself; 25 Who frustrates the signs of the babblers, And drives diviners mad; Who turns wise men backward, And makes their knowledge foolishness; 26 Who confirms the word of His servant, And performs the counsel of His messengers; Who says to Jerusalem, 'You shall be inhabited,' To the cities of Judah, 'You shall be built,' And I will raise up her waste places; 27 Who says to the deep, 'Be dry! And I will dry up your rivers'; 28 Who says of Cyrus, 'He is My shepherd, And he shall perform all My pleasure, Saying to Jerusalem, "You shall be built," And to the temple, "Your foundation shall be laid." ' Isaiah 44:24-28

God's intent for raising up Cyrus was for Jerusalem and the Temple!


1 Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of the Lord by the mouth of Jeremiah might be fulfilled, the Lord stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, so that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and also put it in writing, saying, 2 Thus says Cyrus king of Persia: All the kingdoms of the earth the Lord God of heaven has given me. And He has commanded me to build Him a house at Jerusalem which is in Judah.

It was Cyrus who sent forth the command To restore and build Jerusalem according to Daniel 9!



What you wrote -

Scriptures specify a decree about restoration of Jerusalem. Ezra tells us the intent of the Achaemenid decree issued in 457 BC by Artaxerxes Longimanus is about beautification of the temple (Ezra 7:27). Since when was restoration of Jerusalem = beautification of the temple?

Is not scripture! Its somebody's cut and paste job. Man's opinion!


Here's what the scripture says -

says of Cyrus, 'He is My shepherd, And he shall perform all My pleasure, Saying to Jerusalem, "You shall be built," And to the temple, "Your foundation shall be laid." '


You err not knowing the scripture!


JLB

 

[Elijah674]

So?? we come to an total disagreement for now?;) I posted this below on another thread. But, how one can find all of these DOCUMENTED FACTS (even on God's Time) with just using their schismatic (mine or yours) thinking of all of this wealth & confirming Truth to just freshen up the Sanctuary is kind of 'my' mind boggling. 2 Cron. 19-23!

Yet, what I wanted was for us to see was that the 2300 days of the Cleansing of the Heavenly Sanctuary took one way beyond the 70AD earthly 'DESTROYED' one, and on into the original one of heaven itself with its starting of Christ to JUDGE FIRST, THE ones of His House. (1 Peter 4:17)

This 1844 was Pizza's question.:eeeekkk Some times 'i' wonder about you'ins understanding of what Christ being our High Priest in the Holy Place before the Ark of God is [ALL ABOUT?] Rev. 11:18-19 surely has the saved & lost seperated when He BRINGS HIS REWARD with Him again! Rev. 22:12

457 here sounds official to me! And as stated these dates are printed in the chapter heading from my K.J. World Publishing Company Bible.

Ezra 7 (457)
[11] Now this is the copy of the letter that the king Artaxerxes gave unto Ezra the priest, the scribe, even a scribe of the words of the commandments of the LORD, and of his statutes to Israel.
[12] Artaxerxes, king of kings, unto Ezra the priest, a scribe of the law of the God of heaven, perfect peace, and at such a time.
[13] I make a decree, that all they of the people of Israel, and of his priests and Levites, in my realm, which are minded of their own freewill to go up to Jerusalem, go with thee.
[14] Forasmuch as thou art sent of the king, and of his seven counsellers, to inquire concerning Judah and Jerusalem, according to the law of thy God which is in thine hand;
[15] And to carry the silver and gold, which the king and his counsellers have freely offered unto the God of Israel, whose habitation is in Jerusalem,
[16] And all the silver and gold that thou canst find in all the province of Babylon, with the freewill offering of the people, and of the priests, offering willingly for the house of their God which is in Jerusalem:
[17] That thou mayest buy speedily with this money bullocks, rams, lambs, with their meat offerings and their drink offerings, and offer them upon the altar of the house of your God which is in Jerusalem.
[18] And whatsoever shall seem good to thee, and to thy brethren, to do with the rest of the silver and the gold, that do after the will of your God.
[19] The vessels also that are given thee for the service of the house of thy God, those deliver thou before the God of Jerusalem.
[20] And whatsoever more shall be needful for the house of thy God, which thou shalt have occasion to bestow, bestow it out of the king's treasure house.
[21] And I, even I Artaxerxes the king, do make a decree to all the treasurers which are beyond the river, that whatsoever Ezra the priest, the scribe of the law of the God of heaven, shall require of you, it be done speedily,
[22] Unto an hundred talents of silver, and to an hundred measures of wheat, and to an hundred baths of wine, and to an hundred baths of oil, and salt without prescribing how much.
[23] Whatsoever is commanded by the God of heaven, let it be diligently done for the house of the God of heaven: for why should there be wrath against the realm of the king and his sons?
[24] Also we certify you, that touching any of the priests and Levites, singers, porters, Nethinims, or ministers of this house of God, it shall not be lawful to impose toll, tribute, or custom, upon them.
[25] And thou, Ezra, after the wisdom of thy God, that is in thine hand, set magistrates and judges, which may judge all the people that are beyond the river, all such as know the laws of thy God; and teach ye them that know them not.
[26] And whosoever will not do the law of thy God, and the law of the king, let judgment be executed speedily upon him, whether it be unto death, or to banishment, or to confiscation of goods, or to imprisonment.

I thought that this was needed as well!

Ezra 6:14 (BC 520)
[14] And the elders of the Jews builded, and they prospered through the prophesying of Haggai the prophet and Zechariah the son of Iddo. And they builded, and finished it, according to the commandment of the God of Israel, and according to the commandment of Cyrus, and Darius, and

Artaxerxes king of Persia.
[15] And this house was finished on the third day of the month Adar, which was in the sixth year of the reign of Darius the king.

(note that it took the commandment of three kings before God counted it as documented or that counted as it is in scripture!)

The year 457 B.C. is the beginning date of the 490 years+ the 483 yrs. on into the 2300 yrs.!

Even note Gal. 4:4.. In the [FULLNESS OF TIME] was come, God sent forth His Son.' Which we see in Matt. 3:17 for His annointing for His earthly ministry starting point.
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And Forum:
You might like the Ezra 5:9-12 verses of refreshen up or rebuild or whatever?

[9] Then asked we those elders, and said unto them thus, Who commanded you to build this house, and to make up these walls?
[10] We asked their names also, to certify thee, that we might write the names of the men that were the chief of them.
[11] And thus they returned us answer, saying, We are the servants of the God of heaven and earth, and build the house that was builded these many years ago, which a great king of Israel builded and set up.
[12] But after that our fathers had provoked the God of heaven unto wrath, he gave them into the hand of Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, the Chaldean, who destroyed this house, and carried the people away into Babylon.
[13] But in the first year of Cyrus the king of Babylon the same king Cyrus made a decree to build this house of God.

--Elijah

 

[JLB]

So?? we come to an total disagreement for now?;) I posted this below on another thread. But, how one can find all of these DOCUMENTED FACTS (even on God's Time) with just using their schismatic (mine or yours) thinking of all of this wealth & confirming Truth to just freshen up the Sanctuary is kind of 'my' mind boggling. 2 Cron. 19-23!

Yet, what I wanted was for us to see was that the 2300 days of the Cleansing of the Heavenly Sanctuary took one way beyond the 70AD earthly 'DESTROYED' one, and on into the original one of heaven itself with its starting of Christ to JUDGE FIRST, THE ones of His House. (1 Peter 4:17)

This 1844 was Pizza's question.:eeeekkk Some times 'i' wonder about you'ins understanding of what Christ being our High Priest in the Holy Place before the Ark of God is [ALL ABOUT?] Rev. 11:18-19 surely has the saved & lost seperated when He BRINGS HIS REWARD with Him again! Rev. 22:12

457 here sounds official to me! And as stated these dates are printed in the chapter heading from my K.J. World Publishing Company Bible.

Ezra 7 (457)
[11] Now this is the copy of the letter that the king Artaxerxes gave unto Ezra the priest, the scribe, even a scribe of the words of the commandments of the LORD, and of his statutes to Israel.
[12] Artaxerxes, king of kings, unto Ezra the priest, a scribe of the law of the God of heaven, perfect peace, and at such a time.
[13] I make a decree, that all they of the people of Israel, and of his priests and Levites, in my realm, which are minded of their own freewill to go up to Jerusalem, go with thee.
[14] Forasmuch as thou art sent of the king, and of his seven counsellers, to inquire concerning Judah and Jerusalem, according to the law of thy God which is in thine hand;
[15] And to carry the silver and gold, which the king and his counsellers have freely offered unto the God of Israel, whose habitation is in Jerusalem,
[16] And all the silver and gold that thou canst find in all the province of Babylon, with the freewill offering of the people, and of the priests, offering willingly for the house of their God which is in Jerusalem:
[17] That thou mayest buy speedily with this money bullocks, rams, lambs, with their meat offerings and their drink offerings, and offer them upon the altar of the house of your God which is in Jerusalem.
[18] And whatsoever shall seem good to thee, and to thy brethren, to do with the rest of the silver and the gold, that do after the will of your God.
[19] The vessels also that are given thee for the service of the house of thy God, those deliver thou before the God of Jerusalem.
[20] And whatsoever more shall be needful for the house of thy God, which thou shalt have occasion to bestow, bestow it out of the king's treasure house.
[21] And I, even I Artaxerxes the king, do make a decree to all the treasurers which are beyond the river, that whatsoever Ezra the priest, the scribe of the law of the God of heaven, shall require of you, it be done speedily,
[22] Unto an hundred talents of silver, and to an hundred measures of wheat, and to an hundred baths of wine, and to an hundred baths of oil, and salt without prescribing how much.
[23] Whatsoever is commanded by the God of heaven, let it be diligently done for the house of the God of heaven: for why should there be wrath against the realm of the king and his sons?
[24] Also we certify you, that touching any of the priests and Levites, singers, porters, Nethinims, or ministers of this house of God, it shall not be lawful to impose toll, tribute, or custom, upon them.
[25] And thou, Ezra, after the wisdom of thy God, that is in thine hand, set magistrates and judges, which may judge all the people that are beyond the river, all such as know the laws of thy God; and teach ye them that know them not.
[26] And whosoever will not do the law of thy God, and the law of the king, let judgment be executed speedily upon him, whether it be unto death, or to banishment, or to confiscation of goods, or to imprisonment.

I thought that this was needed as well!

Ezra 6:14 (BC 520)
[14] And the elders of the Jews builded, and they prospered through the prophesying of Haggai the prophet and Zechariah the son of Iddo. And they builded, and finished it, according to the commandment of the God of Israel, and according to the commandment of Cyrus, and Darius, and

Artaxerxes king of Persia.
[15] And this house was finished on the third day of the month Adar, which was in the sixth year of the reign of Darius the king.

(note that it took the commandment of three kings before God counted it as documented or that counted as it is in scripture!)

The year 457 B.C. is the beginning date of the 490 years+ the 483 yrs. on into the 2300 yrs.!

Even note Gal. 4:4.. In the [FULLNESS OF TIME] was come, God sent forth His Son.' Which we see in Matt. 3:17 for His annointing for His earthly ministry starting point.
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And Forum:
You might like the Ezra 5:9-12 verses of refreshen up or rebuild or whatever?

[9] Then asked we those elders, and said unto them thus, Who commanded you to build this house, and to make up these walls?
[10] We asked their names also, to certify thee, that we might write the names of the men that were the chief of them.
[11] And thus they returned us answer, saying, We are the servants of the God of heaven and earth, and build the house that was builded these many years ago, which a great king of Israel builded and set up.
[12] But after that our fathers had provoked the God of heaven unto wrath, he gave them into the hand of Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, the Chaldean, who destroyed this house, and carried the people away into Babylon.
[13] But in the first year of Cyrus the king of Babylon the same king Cyrus made a decree to build this house of God.

--Elijah

The scripture I referred to in Isaiah, as to the intent of God, is the foundation!

Cyrus gave the original command to restore and build Jerusalem.

The work ceased as Daniel's prophecy lays out.

There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks;

There was a pause in between the seven weeks and the sixty two weeks.

23 Now when the copy of King Artaxerxes' letter was read before Rehum, Shimshai the scribe, and their companions, they went up in haste to Jerusalem against the Jews, and by force of arms made them cease. 24 Thus the work of the house of God which is at Jerusalem ceased, and it was discontinued until the second year of the reign of Darius king of Persia. Ezra 4:23-24

There was a pause in between the 7th and the 62nd week!

There is a pause in between the 69th and 70th week!

As is laid out in the structure of Daniel's prophetic word!

Now, if you chose to ignore this, then there is no telling what kind of theory you can come up with.

If you acknowledge this, then there are grounds for discussion.

Note: Artaxerxes did give to go ahead to start the work back up.

This is true.


JLB

 

[Elijah674]

The scripture I referred to in Isaiah, as to the intent of God, is the foundation!

Cyrus gave the original command to restore and build Jerusalem.

The work ceased as Daniel's prophecy lays out.

There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks;

There was a pause in between the seven weeks and the sixty two weeks.

23 Now when the copy of King Artaxerxes' letter was read before Rehum, Shimshai the scribe, and their companions, they went up in haste to Jerusalem against the Jews, and by force of arms made them cease. 24 Thus the work of the house of God which is at Jerusalem ceased, and it was discontinued until the second year of the reign of Darius king of Persia. Ezra 4:23-24

There was a pause in between the 7th and the 62nd week!

There is a pause in between the 69th and 70th week!

As is laid out in the structure of Daniel's prophetic word!

Now, if you chose to ignore this, then there is no telling what kind of theory you can come up with.

If you acknowledge this, then there are grounds for discussion.

Note: Artaxerxes did give to go ahead to start the work back up.

This is true.


JLB

My point was that the 2300 years (day/year) went way past the 70 AD slaughter & wreckage of Matt. 24, of the city + people of old Israel. And as Alex, I myself have no 'doubts' as to its prophecies meaning!;) (but yes, one of us are wrong. huh?)

Just another thought. Matt. 23:15 finds...
[15] Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. (and Matt. 23:38's 'time' had been reached!)

OK: In Matt. 24:20 + we find God had an escape provided for some. Even some non/bibical records find that the 70AD seige was also temp. halted. Why? perhaps a few of these ones of Matt. 23:15 were even given these extra 39 yrs. time before the city & Isa. 5:3's HOUSE were destroyed? (note ibid 7) Yet, the ex/house of God became vacant of Christ permanently, with a new leader taking over in Matt. 10:5-6 on! (see Rev. 3:9's repeated counterpart)

Even if one could have some consensus on the 'midst of the week' being 'near' Christ being 30 yrs. old, along with His start & annointing (Matt. 3:15-17) on 'time' Gal. 4:4 for 27AD they would have some points of time to even back/track to Ezra 7 & on forward into the 2300 day's of that future time. (and the dates would fit) And about the daily sacrifice would cease? Surely the seperating curtain being rent at Christ's death would help the prophetic time to be understood.

--Elijah

 

[JLB]

My point was that the 2300 years (day/year) went way past the 70 AD slaughter & wreckage of Matt. 24, of the city + people of old Israel. And as Alex, I myself have no 'doubts' as to its prophecies meaning!;) (but yes, one of us are wrong. huh?)

Just another thought. Matt. 23:15 finds...
[15] Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. (and Matt. 23:38's 'time' had been reached!)

OK: In Matt. 24:20 + we find God had an escape provided for some. Even some non/bibical records find that the 70AD seige was also temp. halted. Why? perhaps a few of these ones of Matt. 23:15 were even given these extra 39 yrs. time before the city & Isa. 5:3's HOUSE were destroyed? (note ibid 7) Yet, the ex/house of God became vacant of Christ permanently, with a new leader taking over in Matt. 10:5-6 on! (see Rev. 3:9's repeated counterpart)

Even if one could have some consensus on the 'midst of the week' being 'near' Christ being 30 yrs. old, along with His start & annointing (Matt. 3:15-17) on 'time' Gal. 4:4 for 27AD they would have some points of time to even back/track to Ezra 7 & on forward into the 2300 day's of that future time. (and the dates would fit) And about the daily sacrifice would cease? Surely the seperating curtain being rent at Christ's death would help the prophetic time to be understood.

--Elijah

Please know and understand concerning Daniel 9 and the 70 weeks!

The going forth of the command was made by The king who was in the seat of authority[World Government] to authorize the work to begin and to cease and to begin again until Messiah The Prince - See Matthew 21 Hosanna to the son of David, Palm Sunday 69th week fulfilled.

[World Government] - Cyrus and Artexerxes were the kings of Persia, who at the time were the world governing kingdom, see Daniel 2!


Likewise it will take such a ruler in the seat of world government to authorize the work of "rebuilding" the temple by "confirming a covenant with many for one week" that will start the prophetic clock ticking again for the 70th week!

http://christianactionforisrael.org/covenant.html

http://www.templeinstitute.org


JLB

 

[Elijah674]

My point was that the 2300 years (day/year) went way past the 70 AD slaughter & wreckage of Matt. 24, of the city + people of old Israel. And as Alex, I myself have no 'doubts' as to its prophecies meaning!;) (but yes, one of us are wrong. huh?)

Just another thought. Matt. 23:15 finds...
[15] Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. (and Matt. 23:38's 'time' had been reached!)

OK: In Matt. 24:20 + we find God had an escape provided for some. Even some non/bibical records find that the 70AD seige was also temp. halted. Why? perhaps a few of these ones of Matt. 23:15 were even given these extra 39 yrs. time before the city & Isa. 5:3's HOUSE were destroyed? (note ibid 7) Yet, the ex/house of God became vacant of Christ permanently, with a new leader taking over in Matt. 10:5-6 on! (see Rev. 3:9's repeated counterpart)

Even if one could have some consensus on the 'midst of the week' being 'near' Christ being 30 yrs. old, along with His start & annointing (Matt. 3:15-17) on 'time' Gal. 4:4 for 27AD they would have some points of time to even back/track to Ezra 7 & on forward into the 2300 day's of that future time. (and the dates would fit) And about the daily sacrifice would cease? Surely the seperating curtain being rent at Christ's death would help the prophetic time to be understood.

--Elijah

Me again JLB. This is some/what as I see it. The 'cleansing of the Heavenly Sanctuary' has to be the object of the 2300 days 'Heavenly Judgement'. When Christ return's it is a done deal. He brings His REWARD at that time. Rev. 22:12
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The graph below shows the basic sequence of events as detailed above in scripture.​

http://biblelight.net

 

[Elijah674]

My point was that the 2300 years (day/year) went way past the 70 AD slaughter & wreckage of Matt. 24, of the city + people of old Israel. And as Alex, I myself have no 'doubts' as to its prophecies meaning!;) (but yes, one of us are wrong. huh?)

Just another thought. Matt. 23:15 finds...
[15] Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. (and Matt. 23:38's 'time' had been reached!)

OK: In Matt. 24:20 + we find God had an escape provided for some. Even some non/bibical records find that the 70AD seige was also temp. halted. Why? perhaps a few of these ones of Matt. 23:15 were even given these extra 39 yrs. time before the city & Isa. 5:3's HOUSE were destroyed? (note ibid 7) Yet, the ex/house of God became vacant of Christ permanently, with a new leader taking over in Matt. 10:5-6 on! (see Rev. 3:9's repeated counterpart)

Even if one could have some consensus on the 'midst of the week' being 'near' Christ being 30 yrs. old, along with His start & annointing (Matt. 3:15-17) on 'time' Gal. 4:4 for 27AD they would have some points of time to even back/track to Ezra 7 & on forward into the 2300 day's of that future time. (and the dates would fit) And about the daily sacrifice would cease? Surely the seperating curtain being rent at Christ's death would help the prophetic time to be understood.

--Elijah

Me again. This should help one to see a couple Truths?

The graph below shows the basic sequence of events as detailed above in scripture.​

http://biblelight.net

 

[JLB]

Please know and understand concerning Daniel 9 and the 70 weeks!

The going forth of the command was made by The king who was in the seat of authority[World Government] to authorize the work to begin and to cease and to begin again until Messiah The Prince - See Matthew 21 Hosanna to the son of David, Palm Sunday 69th week fulfilled.

[World Government] - Cyrus and Artexerxes were the kings of Persia, who at the time were the world governing kingdom, see Daniel 2!


Likewise it will take such a ruler in the seat of world government to authorize the work of "rebuilding" the temple by "confirming a covenant with many for one week" that will start the prophetic clock ticking again for the 70th week!

http://christianactionforisrael.org/covenant.html

http://www.templeinstitute.org


Do you see the authority through whom the command was given?


JLB

 

[reba]

In the words of Jesus....


Joh 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
Joh 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.


Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.


The above verses dont fit your chart.

 

[Elijah674]

Please know and understand concerning Daniel 9 and the 70 weeks!

The going forth of the command was made by The king who was in the seat of authority[World Government] to authorize the work to begin and to cease and to begin again until Messiah The Prince - See Matthew 21 Hosanna to the son of David, Palm Sunday 69th week fulfilled.

[World Government] - Cyrus and Artexerxes were the kings of Persia, who at the time were the world governing kingdom, see Daniel 2!


Likewise it will take such a ruler in the seat of world government to authorize the work of "rebuilding" the temple by "confirming a covenant with many for one week" that will start the prophetic clock ticking again for the 70th week!

http://christianactionforisrael.org/covenant.html

http://www.templeinstitute.org


Do you see the authority through whom the command was given?


JLB

Back to the topic! As 'i' see it.;) It the 'midst of the week Christ would be executed' by His ex/own! And they could not execute anyone without (church/state) Ceasar Rome authority.

And their 'TRUTHFUL ALSO MIDNIGHT CRY' was that 'WE HAVE NO KING BUT CEASAR!' But in all reality, when Christ was REJECTED & SPIT ON by His ex/bride, satan the killer immediately became their leader of Christ's DESOLATE HOUSE!

Hey, I spiritually love you, but the 'teaching part' is what I take for fodder.;) And we both understand that we do 'mature' at different childish speeds. Heb. 5 & Heb. 6.

And again, the dates of the 2300 days (yrs.) need ONLY to start here in this one week! And then can go forward or backward at will, as long as it is done as Inspiration documents!;) And the start of the CLEANSING of the Sanctuary is the 'time' of SEPERATING the saved from the eternally lost ones. (JUDGEMENT)

The Books are seen as starting this phase in Eccl. 12:13-14 and again, Christ states it VERY CLEAR that when He returns, He brings His REWARD WITH HIM! (eternal life for some & eternal lost Judgement for most others)

--Elijah

 

[JLB]

It the 'midst of the week Christ would be executed' by His ex/own!

In the midst of what week?


JLB