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Bible Study Ever-present Galatianism

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God continually led disobedient Israel into the bondage of their sin (Egypt) in order to cause them to continue to seek Him for deliverance from it, to the freedom (Red Sea) of serving Him in righteousness. Every time they became disobedient they were invaded by unbelievers, which caused them to repeatedly seek God for deliverance, which I believe may be a syndrome presently accompanying America and every country where the majority of its populous is unbelieving.
-NC



Ever-present Galatianism

The Holy Spirit has taken particular care to lay hold of facts in the Old Testament which we should never have thought applicable, in order to bring our blessed truths in the New Testament. Who would have discerned the difference between law and promise in Hagar and Ishmael striving with Sarah and Isaac?

The Spirit of God not only saw it, but intended the record of the circumstances to be the beautiful foreshadowing of the two covenants; that of law, which has only a child of the flesh; and that of promise, which, on the contrary, brings forth in due time the child of the Spirit.

The apostle Paul does not leave us to our own imaginations. He shows that Hagar answers to Jerusalem that now is—the city of scribes and Pharisees, poor, proud, miserable Jerusalem, that had no liberty towards God, groaning under the Roman bondage, and the still more bitter slavery of sin. The apostle applies this to what was the going on among the Galatians. Let them beware of becoming virtually the children of Hagar. Did they not take the place of being zealous for the law? Yet after all they did not understand its voice; “desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.” The law was thoroughly against them. It clearly showed that God attached the promise not to the mere offspring of the letter, but to the children of the Spirit.

Every religious system or church which takes its stand upon the law, invariably assumes a Jewish character. We need not look far to understand this, nor to apply it. Why is it that men have magnificent buildings, or the splendor of ritual in the service of God? On what model is it all founded? Certainly they are not like those who gathered of old in the upper room. The temple is clearly the type, and along with this goes the having a peculiar class of persons, being founded upon the notion of the Jewish priesthood.

The service, where that is the case, must depend upon what would attract the senses—show of ornament, music, imposing ceremonies, everything that would strike man’s mind, or that would draw a multitude together, not by the truth, but by something to be seen or heard that pleases nature. It is the order of what the Word of God calls the “worldly sanctuary”* (Heb 9:1). Not That the tabernacle or temple had not a very important meaning before the Lord Jesus came; but afterwards their shadowy character became apparent, and their temporary value was at an end, and the full truth and grace of god were manifested in the person of Him who came from heaven.

When the Lord Jesus was rejected from the earth and want back to heaven, all was changed, and the heart-allegiance pf God’s children is transferred to heaven. The true sanctuary for us in in the glorified Lord Jesus in heaven. What the OT connected for an earthly people with the temple, the NT does with the Lord Jesus.

It is of great importance to trace things to their principle. When Paul wrote to the Galatians, only the germs were showing themselves; they had not got to the length of consecrating buildings and casts of men, with all the pomp and circumstance of religious worship suited to the world, which we see around us now, the result of gradual inroads of error upon the Christian professing body. But still there was the beginning of the mischief, the attempt to bring in the principle of law upon the Christians.

And what is the effect? You only fall into the position of Ishmael, out of Isaac’s. To be thus identified with the law is to be an Ishmael, to forfeit the promises and grace and to become a child of the bondwomen. This is the argument that the apostle uses to deal with the Galatians, who were flattering themselves that they had made immense progress; but it was really a slip out of liberty into bondage.

- Wm Kelly



Poster’s Opinion:
*“worldly sanctuary”: Gill - “Philo the Jew says {l}, it was a type of the world, and of the various things in it; though it was rather either a type of the church, or of heaven, or of Christ's human nature: the better reason of its being so called is, because it consisted of earthly matter, and worldly things; it was in the world, and only had its use in the world, and so is opposed to the heavenly sanctuary; for the Jews often speak of hlemlv vdqm, "a sanctuary above," and hjmlv vdqm, "a sanctuary below" {m}, and of alyeld ankvm, "a tabernacle above," and attld ankvm, "a tabernacle below" {n}; which answered to one another: the words may be rendered "a beautiful sanctuary," a well adorned one; and such especially was the temple, or sanctuary built by Solomon, rebuilt by Zerubbabel, and repaired and adorned by Herod, Luke 21:5. And the Jews say, that he that never saw Herod's building, meaning the temple, never saw a beautiful building; see Luke 21:5.”

http://www.christianity.com/bible/comments/hebrews/gill/hebrews9.htm#

Daily Devotional: http://www.abideabove.com/hungry-heart/
 
This certainly was a good read NC, I'd like, in your own words, the main point of your thread. Was it something about the organized church of our age being deceived by the judiazers to bring the church back into the ordnance's of the Old Covenant, thus the Law?
 
Hey Chopper - Always appreciate your replies and interesting questions. Whenever I read proper material concerning Israel I see the main over-viewing subject to be related to how God is always instructing them to move on from the law to the present New Covenant.
 
Israel lost her right to be called Gods chosen people as they fell into idolatry worshipping other gods as they allowed themselves to fall from Gods grace as they followed the lust of their own hearts, 1Kings 9:1-9. God’s judgment against them led them to be taken captive around 605 – 537 B.C. by Nebuchadnezzar into Babylon for seventy years while Nebuchadnezzar’s army killed many Jews in Judah and Jerusalem destroying the whole city of Jerusalem including the first Temple that was built through King Solomon’s reign in Jerusalem.

The second Temple was built under Ezra’s leadership and then Israel started practicing Judaism and their Temple was desecrated as part of an effort to impose Greek-oriented culture and customs on the entire population. Roman rule refurbished the temple as Herod, Romans vassal king, rules the land of Israel. In 70 A.D. the Temple is once again destroyed. The Temple Mount was taken over in 691 A.D. as the Arab nation built the Dome of the Rock and there has not been any other Temple built since that time on the original Temple Mount.

During this seventy year exile God gave Israel 490 years to repent. They were set free from Babylon when the Medes and Persian conquered Babylon (Chaldeans) around 538 B.C. They were allowed back in the land and to rebuild the city of Jerusalem, however, they still did not repent for their sin of idol worshipping and they continued to receive punishment from God as the kingdom was taken away and eventually taken over by the Roman Empire.

The 490 years were up and the Jews not only did not repent but they killed the very Messiah they had been waiting for as well as in 24 A.D. they made an opened display of rejecting the Gospel message as they stoned Stephen being the final messenger that was sent to give them their last chance to repent. The Jews were now rejected as God’s chosen people and were no different from the Gentiles as from that time forth each individual, Jew and Gentile has to make their own decision to accept or reject Jesus as Lord and Savior, John 3:3-7; Romans 10:9, 10. The disciples were called first to preach to the Jews, Matthew 10:6, and Paul was called to preach to the Gentiles, Acts 22:21. God has saved a remnant out of the twelve tribes of Israel even up to a thousand generations that have always been faithful to Him, Exodus 20:1-6; Psalms 105:7, 8, but those who have yet to accept Jesus as Messiah God will continue to cut them off.

2Peter 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

2Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
 
I always enjoy your posts as well only in this one I think your theology is clouding what the word implies. God did not have to lead them into disobedience they were quite able to do that themselves. The whole point of the fall scenario is that people having become their own gods (like a god, being lord over their own life) they now do what is right IN THEIR OWN EYES. There are so many scriptures regarding this it cannot be missed. People being little self lords decide good and evil for themselves rather than regarding Yah's way. God was not some grand puppet master, pulling their strings thus making them tempted into sinning! He is not the author of their evil. Each of them had a moral choice and they chose their way over YHVH.
 
God continually led disobedient Israel into the bondage of their sin (Egypt) in order to cause them to continue to seek Him for deliverance from it, to the freedom (Red Sea) of serving Him in righteousness. Every time they became disobedient they were invaded by unbelievers, which caused them to repeatedly seek God for deliverance, which I believe may be a syndrome presently accompanying America and every country where the majority of its populous is unbelieving.
-NC


Illegal "non-Christian" immigration is a fleshly sign of Spiritual matters, assuredly. There are many such showings in the flesh world. It's a reflection in the flesh of the churches failing to see the Spiritual principle behind these matters. So we are sent a FLESH SIGN, in adversarial fashions.

Our own killers, sanctified by our votes and our money, go and make war and kill and bomb and take the resources and take the land of their people, and disrupt their populace.

And by such actions comes wave after wave of resistors.

And we sit here, blessing such activity, about to reap the whirlwind of judgment in the process.
 
Speaking of "Galatianism", it is simply one aspect of all men attempting to reach Heaven by their own efforts. All religions (including False Christianity) teach that a man can -- by his own efforts (penance, asceticism, good works, works of the Law, sacramentalism, etc.) -- be set free from the Law of Sin and Death. This is what Jesus called "the broad way".

The narrow way and the narrow gate are Christ Himself. He Himself is salvation, and those within whom He dwells are saved by grace through faith. He is the Door, He is the Good Shepherd, He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. He is the Bread of Life, and the Water of Life. He is Eternal Life.
 
Our own killers, sanctified by our votes and our money, go and make war and kill and bomb and take the resources and take the land of their people, and disrupt their populace.
Evidently you have not read the Koran or studied the history of Islam. Even had the West left the Arabs and Muslims strictly alone, they would have declared Jihad (Holy War) on the Great Satan and the Little Satan, and the whole western world (particularly Christians and Jews). Islam was created by Satan to attack the Gospel and persecute Christians and Jews. And just like Judaism, Islam teaches that men can earn their salvation and earn Paradise.
 
Evidently you have not read the Koran or studied the history of Islam. Even had the West left the Arabs and Muslims strictly alone, they would have declared Jihad (Holy War) on the Great Satan and the Little Satan, and the whole western world (particularly Christians and Jews). Islam was created by Satan to attack the Gospel and persecute Christians and Jews. And just like Judaism, Islam teaches that men can earn their salvation and earn Paradise.

Romans 3:9
What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
 
God was not some grand puppet master, pulling their strings thus making them tempted into sinning! He is not the author of their evil. Each of them had a moral choice and they chose their way over YHVH.
Hi BP - Appreciate your reply, and I'm in agreement with both comments. God knowing they would disobey and allowing it doesn't warrant Him causing them to disobey, though others seem to interpret this as you've indicated. Scripture is clear that God does not "temp anyone" to commit sin (Jam 1:13).

Thanks for letting me know you usually like the material I post, and God's blessings to your Family!
 
Speaking of "Galatianism", it is simply one aspect of all men attempting to reach Heaven by their own efforts. All religions (including False Christianity) teach that a man can -- by his own efforts (penance, asceticism, good works, works of the Law, sacramentalism, etc.) -- be set free from the Law of Sin and Death. This is what Jesus called "the broad way".
I personally don't see 'Galatianalism' as the problem in the Protestant Church today (I see it in the world). I don't see Christians beating themselves up to attain sinless perfection before God, and thus, the right to be saved, through righteous works. I see the exact opposite extreme working in the church today. I see the church taking false comfort in a false gospel that says it doesn't matter at all what you do, and so they rationalize rampant and flagrant, uncaring sin that way.

Sometimes I wish the church was busy trying to save itself through good works. At least that effort is the one that the Bible says has the potential for showing one to not be able to save themselves. The other way--the way of hyper grace--can not reveal the sinner to be the lost sinner he is, because in that doctrine sin is not the sign of being lost.
 
Hi BP - Appreciate your reply, and I'm in agreement with both comments. God knowing they would disobey and allowing it doesn't warrant Him causing them to disobey, though others seem to interpret this as you've indicated. Scripture is clear that God does not "temp anyone" to commit sin (Jam 1:13).

Thanks for letting me know you usually like the material I post, and God's blessings to your Family!

Then I owe you an apology because it seemed to me that that was part of your post, thanks for clarifying for me, but even if it had been your view that's okay also because siblings do not always agree and I love most of your posts (thoughtful, thorough, fair to other views...)...back to thinking about the OP...
 
I personally don't see 'Galatianalism' as the problem in the Protestant Church today (I see it in the world). I don't see Christians beating themselves up to attain sinless perfection before God, and thus, the right to be saved, through righteous works. I see the exact opposite extreme working in the church today. I see the church taking false comfort in a false gospel that says it doesn't matter at all what you do, and so they rationalize rampant and flagrant, uncaring sin that way.

Sometimes I wish the church was busy trying to save itself through good works. At least that effort is the one that the Bible says has the potential for showing one to not be able to save themselves. The other way--the way of hyper grace--can not reveal the sinner to be the lost sinner he is, because in that doctrine sin is not the sign of being lost.

Though I hear your heart brother and agree the two extreme somewhat false understandings (Hyper-grace and Hyper works theologies) do leave the salvation of many in the balance I do not think "sin" is the sign of being "lost". The only sure definite sign of being lost is unbelief and the sad current situation of many atheists which attribute the works and will of God to being the true "evil".

When one is first saved (the actual event of being born from above and ACTUALLY filled with HIS Spirit) does not guarantee one will never sin again. It is a matter of the heart...it is that we strive to no longer sin...we no longer "continue in sin"....

Before the Spirit living in us "SIN" IS our life....we do not even see it as wrong or dangerous to our soul...we love it and live it and see it as "normal" and/or "fun" or "healthy pursuit of the pleasurable"....sin is then the rule and righteousness or caring for others above our own interest is the exception (usually also has an underlying benefit or stroking of self)

After the Spirit is in us, our desire is to be right with God and we continuously fail at first and over time less and less...we do not "continue" in our sin but yet still sin on occasion for which we feel the contrition, sometimes guilt, shame before our ever loving always forgiving God (our ABBA or Daddy)...sin becomes the ever more rare exception...in the Resurrection when this tent is no more and we have a new glorified body we will never again "sin" but until then we are in the personal Jihad but thanks be to God we have His Spirit and the words of God which themselves are spirit and life to each soul born from above...
 
Though I hear your heart brother and agree the two extreme somewhat false understandings (Hyper-grace and Hyper works theologies) do leave the salvation of many in the balance I do not think "sin" is the sign of being "lost". The only sure definite sign of being lost is unbelief and the sad current situation of many atheists which attribute the works and will of God to being the true "evil".

When one is first saved (the actual event of being born from above and ACTUALLY filled with HIS Spirit) does not guarantee one will never sin again. It is a matter of the heart...it is that we strive to no longer sin...we no longer "continue in sin"....

Before the Spirit living in us "SIN" IS our life....we do not even see it as wrong or dangerous to our soul...we love it and live it and see it as "normal" and/or "fun" or "healthy pursuit of the pleasurable"....sin is then the rule and righteousness or caring for others above our own interest is the exception (usually also has an underlying benefit or stroking of self)

After the Spirit is in us, our desire is to be right with God and we continuously fail at first and over time less and less...we do not "continue" in our sin but yet still sin on occasion for which we feel the contrition, sometimes guilt, shame before our ever loving always forgiving God (our ABBA or Daddy)...sin becomes the ever more rare exception...in the Resurrection when this tent is no more and we have a new glorified body we will never again "sin" but until then we are in the personal Jihad but thanks be to God we have His Spirit and the words of God which themselves are spirit and life to each soul born from above...
Even though John is very clear about a lifestyle of unrigheousness being the sign of the unbeliever (1 John 3:6-10 NASB), maybe the best way to understand it is not being fruitful is the sign of being lost:

7For ground that drinks the rain which often falls on it and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God; 8but if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close to being cursed, and it ends up being burned.
9But, beloved, we are convinced of better things concerning you, and things that accompany salvation, though we are speaking in this way. 10For God is not unjust so as to forget your work and the love which you have shown toward His name, in having ministered and in still ministering to the saints." (Hebrews 6:7-10 NASB)
 
Then I owe you an apology because it seemed to me that that was part of your post, thanks for clarifying for me,
That's okay, and that's why I replied in the manner I did, because I didn't think for certain you had suspected me indicating that.
but even if it had been your view that's okay also because siblings do not always agree and I love most of your posts (thoughtful, thorough, fair to other views.
Good comment and intentions! Thanks.
 
Even though John is very clear about a lifestyle of unrigheousness being the sign of the unbeliever (1 John 3:6-10 NASB), maybe the best way to understand it is not being fruitful is the sign of being lost:

7For ground that drinks the rain which often falls on it and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God; 8but if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close to being cursed, and it ends up being burned.
9But, beloved, we are convinced of better things concerning you, and things that accompany salvation, though we are speaking in this way. 10For God is not unjust so as to forget your work and the love which you have shown toward His name, in having ministered and in still ministering to the saints." (Hebrews 6:7-10 NASB)

I definitely agree again...when I see people claiming to be a Christian for many years and see no fruit of the Spirit (albeit fruit is not a gift it must be planted and cultivated to grow...what we sow we reap) I wonder if they are indeed or have actually been saved....I hear politicians claiming to be Christian but see how hard is their disregard for the poor among us...or persuade people they are full of Christian ideals but strive toward State control over us and support silencing us...a president of of one of the largest evangelical groups stealing or spending time and money with boy prostitutes..a priest urging trust who can rape boys...a Bishop or Cardinal that protects him and moves him...in my Capital a few years back the Treasurer of the Episcopal Diocese being paid about 200,000 a year was caught having embezzled 100s of 1,000s more....may the Lord forgive us all

Sorry I went way out here
 
I think Jethro was saying that trying to do the good works thing would be preferable to hyper-grace (also an error). I can see that. I think its probably easier to work with people who are trying to earn salvation than with people who don't even acknowledge their sins and just use grace as a cover to keep on goin' in what they want to do.
 
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