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[_ Old Earth _] Evil-lution

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The development of the theory of evolution arose a few hundred years ago with a man named Darwin. He proposed a theory. It remains today just that. the theory has changed and been adapted and the term evolution has been modified to mean something other than what Darwin meant by it. Darwin himself later recanted of his theory.
The change of meaning is evident in what is now held to be "evolution". In that any change that occurs due to envoronmental factors is now called evolution. Once upon a time these same evolutionary thinking scientists called it survival of the fittest.
The confusion is in the terminology. Let us clear one thing up. Evolution, as originally proposed requires the development of new genetic material.
Otherwise it is not evolution.
As a sheep farmer for several years I was aware of the development of a resistant strain of barbers pole worm. Now at this time I was not a Christian, and had some sort of faith in evolution. However as the reasons for the change were explained to me by scientists, I came to realise that this was not and never could be evolution.
Thirty years ago a drug was discovered that almost but not quite destroyed every single barbers pole worm in a sheeps gut. Those that survived had a natural and already occuring resistance to the chemical. ( please do not insult anyones intelligence by taking the line of pre-emptive evoution, as some have tried. All that ends up happening is that you have to admit that it had to be done by design with preknowledge and guess where that leads you)
As you would expect those barbers pole worms that were already resistant took over, increased in number and soon threatened the livlihood of many rural areas. The point is that there was no new genetic information. The worm did not evolve a resistance to the chemical, it already had it. The usefulness of such gentic coding had not been apparent to the worm when thyey first were made but several thousand years later it had an immense advantage, for those worms that carried it. This is adaption, not evolution.
All other changes that we have seen in any breed of animal, throughout mans checkered history are the same. They are merely the bringing forth of previously unseen genetic codings to help the animal survive. They are not the manefestation of new genetic material. Otherwise rabbits might by now be bullet proof, and surely sheep would be being born without tails.
From the sublime to the ridiculous, when was the last human child born to a monkey? I know of some human children who would fit into a tribe of chimps without any trouble, but they were born to human parents and strangely enough resemble their parents.
Anyway, the whole thing of evolution stands firmly against the word of God, (based on Genesis) and therefore is evil by the very definition of what evil is, . I know this seems to be circular logic but if you take God's word seriously, then you will know that His word is self-authenticating, as God Himself is, The great I am.
 
aboutface said:
The development of the theory of evolution arose a few hundred years ago with a man named Darwin. He proposed a theory. It remains today just that. the theory has changed and been adapted and the term evolution has been modified to mean something other than what Darwin meant by it. Darwin himself later recanted of his theory.
The change of meaning is evident in what is now held to be "evolution". In that any change that occurs due to envoronmental factors is now called evolution. Once upon a time these same evolutionary thinking scientists called it survival of the fittest.
The confusion is in the terminology. Let us clear one thing up. Evolution, as originally proposed requires the development of new genetic material.
Otherwise it is not evolution.
As a sheep farmer for several years I was aware of the development of a resistant strain of barbers pole worm. Now at this time I was not a Christian, and had some sort of faith in evolution. However as the reasons for the change were explained to me by scientists, I came to realise that this was not and never could be evolution.
Thirty years ago a drug was discovered that almost but not quite destroyed every single barbers pole worm in a sheeps gut. Those that survived had a natural and already occuring resistance to the chemical. ( please do not insult anyones intelligence by taking the line of pre-emptive evoution, as some have tried. All that ends up happening is that you have to admit that it had to be done by design with preknowledge and guess where that leads you)
As you would expect those barbers pole worms that were already resistant took over, increased in number and soon threatened the livlihood of many rural areas. The point is that there was no new genetic information. The worm did not evolve a resistance to the chemical, it already had it. The usefulness of such gentic coding had not been apparent to the worm when thyey first were made but several thousand years later it had an immense advantage, for those worms that carried it. This is adaption, not evolution.
All other changes that we have seen in any breed of animal, throughout mans checkered history are the same. They are merely the bringing forth of previously unseen genetic codings to help the animal survive. They are not the manefestation of new genetic material. Otherwise rabbits might by now be bullet proof, and surely sheep would be being born without tails.
From the sublime to the ridiculous, when was the last human child born to a monkey? I know of some human children who would fit into a tribe of chimps without any trouble, but they were born to human parents and strangely enough resemble their parents.
Anyway, the whole thing of evolution stands firmly against the word of God, (based on Genesis) and therefore is evil by the very definition of what evil is, . I know this seems to be circular logic but if you take God's word seriously, then you will know that His word is self-authenticating, as God Himself is, The great I am.

Haha....
 
aboutface said:
The development of the theory of evolution arose a few hundred years ago with a man named Darwin. He proposed a theory. It remains today just that. the theory has changed and been adapted and the term evolution has been modified to mean something other than what Darwin meant by it. Darwin himself later recanted of his theory.
The change of meaning is evident in what is now held to be "evolution". In that any change that occurs due to envoronmental factors is now called evolution. Once upon a time these same evolutionary thinking scientists called it survival of the fittest.
The confusion is in the terminology. Let us clear one thing up. Evolution, as originally proposed requires the development of new genetic material.
Otherwise it is not evolution.
As a sheep farmer for several years I was aware of the development of a resistant strain of barbers pole worm. Now at this time I was not a Christian, and had some sort of faith in evolution. However as the reasons for the change were explained to me by scientists, I came to realise that this was not and never could be evolution.
Thirty years ago a drug was discovered that almost but not quite destroyed every single barbers pole worm in a sheeps gut. Those that survived had a natural and already occuring resistance to the chemical. ( please do not insult anyones intelligence by taking the line of pre-emptive evoution, as some have tried. All that ends up happening is that you have to admit that it had to be done by design with preknowledge and guess where that leads you)
As you would expect those barbers pole worms that were already resistant took over, increased in number and soon threatened the livlihood of many rural areas. The point is that there was no new genetic information. The worm did not evolve a resistance to the chemical, it already had it. The usefulness of such gentic coding had not been apparent to the worm when thyey first were made but several thousand years later it had an immense advantage, for those worms that carried it. This is adaption, not evolution.
All other changes that we have seen in any breed of animal, throughout mans checkered history are the same. They are merely the bringing forth of previously unseen genetic codings to help the animal survive. They are not the manefestation of new genetic material. Otherwise rabbits might by now be bullet proof, and surely sheep would be being born without tails.
From the sublime to the ridiculous, when was the last human child born to a monkey? I know of some human children who would fit into a tribe of chimps without any trouble, but they were born to human parents and strangely enough resemble their parents.
Anyway, the whole thing of evolution stands firmly against the word of God, (based on Genesis) and therefore is evil by the very definition of what evil is, . I know this seems to be circular logic but if you take God's word seriously, then you will know that His word is self-authenticating, as God Himself is, The great I am.
Good post. One thing though, evolution has been around long before Darwin. He only proposed the mechanism (natural selection)
http://www.theyoungearth.com/ayoungearth/id42.html
read through those pages
 
I just heard on the radio today that 2 leading eolutional scientists have conceded that the "missing links" in their theory are too hard to get past. It's too bad that so many people can't see the ludicrousy of the theory that apes bred human beings & have to wait for people with alphabet soup after their names to tell them wht's true & what isn't. All one has to do is go to a zoo and see what apes breed!
 
A congregation of ignorant science bashers!!

Woo!!! Evolution says that monkeys bred humans!!!

Woo!!! Evolution says that humans came from rocks!!

Woo!!! Evolution says that humans evolved from tomatoes!!!

Woo!!! My IQ is 24 and I own a gun!!!
 
Asimov said:
A congregation of ignorant science bashers!!

Woo!!! Evolution says that monkeys bred humans!!!

Woo!!! Evolution says that humans came from rocks!!

Woo!!! Evolution says that humans evolved from tomatoes!!!

Woo!!! My IQ is 24 and I own a gun!!!
My IQ is 118 (not that impressive, but not retard level...) and I own many guns :wink:
 
mhess13 said:
Asimov said:
A congregation of ignorant science bashers!!

Woo!!! Evolution says that monkeys bred humans!!!

Woo!!! Evolution says that humans came from rocks!!

Woo!!! Evolution says that humans evolved from tomatoes!!!

Woo!!! My IQ is 24 and I own a gun!!!
My IQ is 118 (not that impressive, but not retard level...) and I own many guns :wink:

118 is impressive.

It is just as smart as 82 is dumb!

"Superior Intellegence, according to this..

http://www.webenet.com/iqclassifications.htm
 
lol, I am srry but your whoel paragraph is destroyed when u begin to type it.

you said the whole thing about me feeling stupid by arguing pre-emptive evolution, But i will simply. lol.


one worm has 4 babys. one is a duplicate, one has a resistance ot the chemical, one has 3 tails, and the last is green.

the one with 3 tails dies off soon because it cannot swim to eat.
the other 3 all live, because the color does not matter, and the resistance does no tmatter.

then the antibiotic is applied, and the green one (regardles sof its mutation) and the original (dplicat) die. but the resistant one lives on, and reproduces.


now you say "well why did it kill so many of the other worms and only leave just a few"
its mutations. the likelyhood of having every single one mutate the exact same way, is pretyt absurd. they all would mutate diffrent ways. some probably more resistant, some probobly less resistant.
 
mhess13 said:
My wife is 133. Now that is impressive!
\

Extremely close to MENSA! Congrats...

Perhaps her decision to marry you was what cost her the few necessary points!

(Please take this humor, that is how it was meant....LOL)
 
ThinkerMan said:
mhess13 said:
My wife is 133. Now that is impressive!
\

Extremely close to MENSA! Congrats...

Perhaps her decision to marry you was what cost her the few necessary points!

(Please take this humor, that is how it was meant....LOL)
:-D
she likes to stay in touch with the common folk
 
aboutface said:
The development of the theory of evolution arose a few hundred years ago with a man named Darwin.
Home schooled?Darwin (1809â€â€1882), His scientific endeavors lasted from around 1850 through the 1870's. It was hardly "hundreds" of years ago. Darwin did not recant anything on his deathbed .
"The main problem with all these stories is that they were all denied by members of Darwin's family. Francis Darwin wrote to Thomas Huxley on 8 February 1887, that a report that Charles had renounced evolution on his deathbed was 'false and without any kind of foundation',4 and in...."
This is from an answers in Genesis a Christian apologetic website.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v18/i1/darwin_recant.asp


He proposed a theory. It remains today just that. the theory has changed and been adapted and the term evolution has been modified to mean something other than what Darwin meant by it. Darwin himself later recanted of his theory.
It is a theory which has an unbelievable amount of REAL evidence to confirm it as a real phenomenon. I can't prove gravity exists but if I hold something out and leave go of it on earth it is going to fall to the ground.
The change of meaning is evident in what is now held to be "evolution". In that any change that occurs due to envoronmental factors is now called evolution. Once upon a time these same evolutionary thinking scientists called it survival of the fittest.
Once upon a time is another way of saying they didn't know enough about a particular subject. As knowledge increased so did the understanding and so did the REAL evidence. However the idea of survival of the fittest at it's base understanding is not far from the mark of how evolution proceeds. Changes in the environment from whatever source will cause changes eventually to lead that organism to survive.
The confusion is in the terminology. Let us clear one thing up. Evolution, as originally proposed requires the development of new genetic material.
Otherwise it is not evolution.
I don't know of anyone that has claimed "new genetic material " is required for anything. Genetic material can change but cannot be created.
As a sheep farmer for several years I was aware of the development of a resistant strain of barbers pole worm. Now at this time I was not a Christian, and had some sort of faith in evolution. However as the reasons for the change were explained to me by scientists, I came to realise that this was not and never could be evolution.
Perhaps it wasn't explained to you properly or you didn't understand what was said.
Thirty years ago a drug was discovered that almost but not quite destroyed every single barbers pole worm in a sheeps gut. Those that survived had a natural and already occuring resistance to the chemical. ( please do not insult anyones intelligence by taking the line of pre-emptive evoution, as some have tried. All that ends up happening is that you have to admit that it had to be done by design with preknowledge and guess where that leads you)
I would not use pre emptive as an explanation for what occurred. What I would use is the fact that the drug used was not adequate to kill all the organisms. You could dump a truckload of squirrels in a lake and some would drown and some would be strong enough to swim to shore. What does that prove? It proves that some squirrels are stronger than others. If you take their offspring and do the same the ratio of squirrels that survive will probably increase. The same adaptation can be seen in humans. Babies born in the highlands of South America have greater lung capacity than those born in the more traditional areas of society.
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:gE ... bies&hl=en

As you would expect those barbers pole worms that were already resistant took over, increased in number and soon threatened the livlihood of many rural areas. The point is that there was no new genetic information. The worm did not evolve a resistance to the chemical, it already had it.
No. some did die so they did not have it which throws your theory into a tailspin. This is a classic example of survival of the fittest. The worms that were strong enough survived to pass on those traits that were needed. We don't understand all the mechanisms that occur to accomplish this reality but as you already observed it does occur. Most men do not survive the Ebola virus but what does that mean when some do. Ask any person that deals in control of viruss and they will tell you they readily adapt to the drugs that are used. I have used this many times and that all you have to do is reference the vacinne for influenza that comes out every year. It changes both in dosage and makeup. Ask any doctor about the uses of antibiotics and how if they are overused or not properly used the offending organisme will develop an immunity to the drug and this phenomenon is recognized within weeks.

The usefulness of such gentic coding had not been apparent to the worm when thyey first were made but several thousand years later it had an immense advantage, for those worms that carried it. This is adaption, not evolution.
No again. This is evolution since the resistance to the drug is passed on by birth. To be adaptive they would have to change during the attack of the drug and not passed on. Adaptation and evolution are closely linked however. When a certain stressor is encountered routinily changes do occur and their natural ability to fight the drug has been strenthened through evolution which tends to be a more permanent solution to the stressor. As you said SOME of the original worms were able to fend off the attack. You can liken the adaptation to one who lifts weights. The body gets bigger and stronger but the capacity will not necessarily pass down to the child.
All other changes that we have seen in any breed of animal, throughout mans checkered history are the same. They are merely the bringing forth of previously unseen genetic codings to help the animal survive. They are not the manefestation of new genetic material. Otherwise rabbits might by now be bullet proof, and surely sheep would be being born without tails.
In the history of man the examples you use are not thought out. The gun has only been in existance for a few hundred years and certainly the rabbit is preyed upon by far more predators than man. Rabbits are able to survive by using the traits that they encounter most frequently in their surroundings. Some of those include a strong sense of smell, the ability to comoflage, their speed etc. Sheep as well have not been domesticated long enough to cause any changes in their physical make up.
From the sublime to the ridiculous, when was the last human child born to a monkey? I know of some human children who would fit into a tribe of chimps without any trouble, but they were born to human parents and strangely enough resemble their parents.
Not so fast.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... meras.html

Anyway, the whole thing of evolution stands firmly against the word of God, (based on Genesis) and therefore is evil by the very definition of what evil is, . I know this seems to be circular logic but if you take God's word seriously, then you will know that His word is self-authenticating, as God Himself is, The great I am.
Agreed that evolution contradicts the bible bigtime. However we have an awful lot of evidnece to back up the claims where creationists can only throw their hands in the air for lack of a better explanation and proclaim God did it as is commonly done with just about any question they don't have an answer for or the only answer to anything that contradicts their preconcieved belief system.
 
Asimov said:
mhess13 said:
My wife is 133. Now that is impressive!

Hey, that's my IQ!
That's impressive! A person with that high of an IQ probably doesn't need to stoop to ugly personal attacks such as:
A congregation of ignorant science bashers...Woo!!! My IQ is 24 and I own a gun!!!
 
mhess13 said:
Asimov said:
mhess13 said:
My wife is 133. Now that is impressive!

Hey, that's my IQ!
That's impressive! A person with that high of an IQ probably doesn't need to stoop to ugly personal attacks such as:
A congregation of ignorant science bashers...Woo!!! My IQ is 24 and I own a gun!!!

of course I do, how else do I get my kicks?
 
his iq rating came from teh adding of the "i own a gun" part.

Honestly, when i was a little kid, i pictured jesus/god as this really nice bright guy with abeard who would awlays be like "hey everyoen lets have a hug, and love eachother because friends and the world are cool"

now after the fat that most worshipers own guns (many many guns) i picture jesus packing heat.

anywho back on topic (even though none of this thread is) uhh.. i cant argue anything more because it was all already argued.
 
The development of the theory of evolution arose a few hundred years ago with a man named Darwin. He proposed a theory. It remains today just that. the theory has changed and been adapted and the term evolution has been modified to mean something other than what Darwin meant by it. Darwin himself later recanted of his theory.
The change of meaning is evident in what is now held to be "evolution". In that any change that occurs due to envoronmental factors is now called evolution. Once upon a time these same evolutionary thinking scientists called it survival of the fittest.
The confusion is in the terminology. Let us clear one thing up. Evolution, as originally proposed requires the development of new genetic material.
Otherwise it is not evolution.
As a sheep farmer for several years I was aware of the development of a resistant strain of barbers pole worm. Now at this time I was not a Christian, and had some sort of faith in evolution. However as the reasons for the change were explained to me by scientists, I came to realise that this was not and never could be evolution.
Thirty years ago a drug was discovered that almost but not quite destroyed every single barbers pole worm in a sheeps gut. Those that survived had a natural and already occuring resistance to the chemical. ( please do not insult anyones intelligence by taking the line of pre-emptive evoution, as some have tried. All that ends up happening is that you have to admit that it had to be done by design with preknowledge and guess where that leads you)
As you would expect those barbers pole worms that were already resistant took over, increased in number and soon threatened the livlihood of many rural areas. The point is that there was no new genetic information. The worm did not evolve a resistance to the chemical, it already had it. The usefulness of such gentic coding had not been apparent to the worm when thyey first were made but several thousand years later it had an immense advantage, for those worms that carried it. This is adaption, not evolution.
All other changes that we have seen in any breed of animal, throughout mans checkered history are the same. They are merely the bringing forth of previously unseen genetic codings to help the animal survive. They are not the manefestation of new genetic material. Otherwise rabbits might by now be bullet proof, and surely sheep would be being born without tails.
From the sublime to the ridiculous, when was the last human child born to a monkey? I know of some human children who would fit into a tribe of chimps without any trouble, but they were born to human parents and strangely enough resemble their parents.
Anyway, the whole thing of evolution stands firmly against the word of God, (based on Genesis) and therefore is evil by the very definition of what evil is, . I know this seems to be circular logic but if you take God's word seriously, then you will know that His word is self-authenticating, as God Himself is, The great I am.

Wow...there's just too many factual errors in this to even bother refuting.

I just heard on the radio today that 2 leading eolutional scientists have conceded that the "missing links" in their theory are too hard to get past.

Haha...you're lying. No "leading eolutional scientist" would never recant the theory of evolution because we haven't yet found the "missing link." You people don't quite understand that not finding the "missing link" does nothing to evolutionary theory. At all. By saying that we must find the "missing link," you are introducing an ad infinitum argument, because every living being requires to parents. We have yet to find a fossil that contradicts the mechanisms of evolutionary theory, and that's all that matters.

A congregation of ignorant science bashers!!

HAHAHA...

My IQ is 118 (not that impressive, but not retard level...) and I own many guns

172 on the Stanford-Binet 4th edition. Which test did you take?

That's impressive! A person with that high of an IQ probably doesn't need to stoop to ugly personal attacks such as:

[quote:8124e]A congregation of ignorant science bashers...Woo!!! My IQ is 24 and I own a gun!!!
[/quote:8124e]

Why not? You're discussing two different types of intelligence here. Oh, and everyone likes a good laugh now and then.

Honestly, when i was a little kid, i pictured jesus/god as this really nice bright guy with abeard who would awlays be like "hey everyoen lets have a hug, and love eachother because friends and the world are cool"

Nice...did he have a tie-dye shirt?
 
either all white, or tye dye :P

I really did picture god/jesus as sorta a clean hippie, bent on making the world a safe and loving place for everyone.

The whole thing with watchign jesus pick up a 6pack ring and pull the fish out of it, and have the fish smile at him when he put it back into the water to swim away..

ya..
 
Why do people talk about Jesus in such derrogatory ways? Nobody talks about Buddha, or Krishna like that. No one curses Buddha or Krishna. Yet Jesus's name is taken in vain everyday. It appears that most people don't seem to care that he died for them.
 
Heidi said:
Why do people talk about Jesus in such derrogatory ways? Nobody talks about Buddha, or Krishna like that. No one curses Buddha or Krishna. Yet Jesus's name is taken in vain everyday.

or.... possibly that in people's soul they know he's the truth, and are there-by naturally repulsed due to hardened hearts.
 
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